OK, so what do I do wrong here?

**slikec** · 09-03-12, 02:51 PM

Really you ask about this hand what you did wrong

You have top set on flop in really drawy board and got it in thats no brainer for me. Unfortunatelly he had nuts but you still have 30% chance to win that hand even against nuts.

**BeerDog99** · 09-03-12, 02:54 PM

Originally posted by slikec

Really you ask about this hand what you did wrong

You have top set on flop in really drawy board and got it in thats no brainer for me. Unfortunatelly he had nuts but you still have 30% chance to win that hand even against nuts.

Ya, I am basically asking if I'm crazy here.

That said, I sure there still might be some things to think about from the responses but *I think* this is pretty straight forward.

**daneblazer** · 09-03-12, 03:00 PM

why raise 5x bb pf? I don't have a problem with how you played it. When we're running bad, we become results driven and try to reason to ourselves about folding hands like top set when they lose. Usually that's just not going to be a winning play. Unless I'm against some super passive player post flop, you'll have to pry top set out of my hands.

**yisman** · 09-03-12, 03:04 PM

not much to talk about, IMO. Sometimes you have a great hand and you bet it hard but someone else has the nuts and you lose. It's unfortunate he called preflop but it's not like you should've raised more, IMO.

**BeerDog99** · 09-03-12, 03:09 PM

Originally posted by daneblazer

why raise 5x bb pf?

I had been raising 4-5x for most of this tourney, so I was for the most part just keeping consistent.

Also, that was to try and induce the guy to try and bully me as he did it once before when I raised from the button. He has a big tendency to try and overpower players.

**4uk4life** · 09-03-12, 05:55 PM

Beer, I've been having runs like this lately. It is frustrating but I have no doubt it'll turn around for you. You're too good of a player for it not to.

Ps. We need to order a gummo bot, dude is killing it lately

You're just like me, Getting that losing out before Sept 15th.

**GUMMO77** · 09-03-12, 07:17 PM

You did nothing wrong, Beer; but like Dane pointed out, when you start running bad you look for reasons. It's just bad luck, and it will eventually turn around. The best thing to do is nothing. If you are playing your hands right, then things will flip to your advantage, but if you start chasing and doing things you are not use to, then you'll just end feeling worse about what is happening.

**JAKEPEAVY21** · 09-03-12, 07:18 PM

top set vs a straight..nothing much you can do there brother..

**GUMMO77** · 09-03-12, 07:21 PM

Originally posted by 4uk4life

Ps. We need to order a gummo bot.

Discount if you name your new born GUMMO.

**yisman** · 09-03-12, 07:24 PM

But only if your last name is Bot. Otherwise it just wouldn't make sense.

**4uk4life** · 09-03-12, 08:00 PM

What do I get if I name her Gummo BeerBot?

**downsouth** · 09-03-12, 08:14 PM

Not knowing the players or anything your basically stuck there. You cannot throw that hand away to strangers.

**The Giant** · 09-03-12, 09:18 PM

Should have folded pre-flop.

Duh.

**borednaz** · 09-03-12, 09:40 PM

Originally posted by The Giant

Should have folded pre-flop.

Duh.

It was Pocket Jacks, The Giant has a point.

**cmval** · 09-03-12, 10:49 PM

Too much money in pre and it built the pot too big too fast imo.

What can you do tho. Shake it off and next time the board pairs for you.

**sinmiedo** · 09-04-12, 08:52 AM

Originally posted by BeerDog99

I can play more conservative and try not double the guy up but isn't that my main weakness?

The situation is that I had previously won a few hands both from raising aggressively and from showing down big hands so I am pretty sure anybody paying attention is thinking I am playing my heater.

I feel like going on an epic "Emily" or "Hurls" its rigged rant. This hand is similar to the way I have been booted from all of the tourney's (and ring) on dsi and SBR for the last few weeks. On DSI, this has been pretty consistently sick, on SBR it has been mainly card dead and when I get a hand, my opponent has a better one or cannot let go of an underpair and it holds.... :-)
_______________________________________
Game started at: 2012/9/3 15:21:3
Game ID: 90113240 100/200 $500 GTD Deep Stack, Table 3 (Hold'em)
Seat 6 is the button
Seat 1: XXTHEDEMONXX (5073).
Seat 2: bkr144770 (10368).
Seat 3: acuario (3580).
Seat 4: Kepdog1 (6825).
Seat 6: TheBeerDog99 (13540).
Seat 7: chumpmasta (8570).
Seat 8: supameng (11785).
Seat 9: cripppp (3360).
Player chumpmasta ante (20)
Player supameng ante (20)
Player cripppp ante (20)
Player XXTHEDEMONXX ante (20)
Player bkr144770 ante (20)
Player acuario ante (20)
Player Kepdog1 ante (20)
Player TheBeerDog99 ante (20)
Player chumpmasta has small blind (100)
Player supameng has big blind (200)
Player chumpmasta received a card.
Player chumpmasta received a card.
Player supameng received a card.
Player supameng received a card.
Player cripppp received a card.
Player cripppp received a card.
Player XXTHEDEMONXX received a card.
Player XXTHEDEMONXX received a card.
Player bkr144770 received a card.
Player bkr144770 received a card.
Player acuario received a card.
Player acuario received a card.
Player Kepdog1 received a card.
Player Kepdog1 received a card.
Player TheBeerDog99 received card: [Jc]
Player TheBeerDog99 received card: [Jd]
Player cripppp folds
Player XXTHEDEMONXX folds
Player bkr144770 folds
Player acuario folds
Player Kepdog1 folds
Player TheBeerDog99 raises (1000)
Player chumpmasta calls (900)
Player supameng calls (800)
*** FLOP ***: [9h Jh 8d]
Player chumpmasta checks
Player supameng checks
Player TheBeerDog99 bets (2800)
Player chumpmasta folds
Player supameng raises (5600)
Player TheBeerDog99 allin (9720)
Player supameng allin (5165)
Uncalled bet (1755) returned to TheBeerDog99
*** TURN ***: [9h Jh 8d] [Qc]
*** RIVER ***: [9h Jh 8d Qc] [4s]
------ Summary ------
Pot: 24690. Rake 0
Board: [9h Jh 8d Qc 4s]
Player XXTHEDEMONXX does not show cards.Bets: 20. Collects: 0. Loses: 20.
Player bkr144770 does not show cards.Bets: 20. Collects: 0. Loses: 20.
Player acuario does not show cards.Bets: 20. Collects: 0. Loses: 20.
Player Kepdog1 does not show cards.Bets: 20. Collects: 0. Loses: 20.
Player TheBeerDog99 shows: Three Of Kind of Js [Jc Jd]. Bets: 11785. Collects: 0. Loses: 11785.
Player chumpmasta does not show cards.Bets: 1020. Collects: 0. Loses: 1020.
*Player supameng shows: Straight to Q [Qs 10d]. Bets: 11785. Collects: 24690. Wins: 12905.
Player cripppp does not show cards.Bets: 20. Collects: 0. Loses: 20.
Game ended at: 2012/9/3 15:22:31
_______________________________________

So besides losing the hand, how would you have played it differently?

Maybe less aggro on the flop and then let it go on the turn??? I don't see it.

Supamend is one of those players that never looses at DSI.
There are a few more that they ply like the know the cards that are going to be comming.
Defenetly he has no business calling a 4x or 5X but DSI is not pokertars and the majority ( if not all ) are natural gamblers, way more than yo. So expect that and much more from them.
I had my share of sick bad beats for months there, and i will stay away for a while, specially from the cash tables where i found more bot tha Bodog ever had.

**thetrinity** · 09-04-12, 12:02 PM

no reason to raise so much preflop in deeper stack type tournaments. make small raises and let the hands play out, this case not much can be done, i would think easy fold preflop for him though.

**BeerDog99** · 09-04-12, 01:07 PM

OK, thanks for the feedback guys.

Thanks to Dane for the comments, I am finding myself much more results oriented in these cold spells and getting away from top set on the button is pretty hard for me too...

The basic summary as I see it is that while there is questions about the size of my pre-flop raise, the outcome is kinda self-fulfilling...

That said, so independent of the results that actually happened, if I raised it to 600 (only a 2xBB raise) and the subsequent raises on the flop were proportionally smaller as compared to the pot, do you see this going any different?

Is the consensus from the folks advocating a smaller pre-flop raise that given the stack sizes, I could/should get away from this without doubling him up?

Personally I don't see it but I guess the turn card is scary for the %$&^$%& straight so maybe if I am better at not focusing on the top set, I could try and get away from this cheaper.

Thoughts?

**JAKEPEAVY21** · 09-04-12, 01:20 PM

Originally posted by BeerDog99

OK, thanks for the feedback guys.

Thanks to Dane for the comments, I am finding myself much more results oriented in these cold spells and getting away from top set on the button is pretty hard for me too...

The basic summary as I see it is that while there is questions about the size of my pre-flop raise, the outcome is kinda self-fulfilling...

That said, so independent of the results that actually happened, if I raised it to 600 (only a 2xBB raise) and the subsequent raises on the flop were proportionally smaller as compared to the pot, do you see this going any different?

Is the consensus from the folks advocating a smaller pre-flop raise that given the stack sizes, I could/should get away from this without doubling him up?

Personally I don't see it but I guess the turn card is scary for the %$&^$%& straight so maybe if I am better at not focusing on the top set, I could try and get away from this cheaper.

Thoughts?

getting away from top set on the flop is pretty hard for me regardless of position, opponent, flop texture etc etc

**yisman** · 09-04-12, 04:38 PM

The size of the preflop raise isn't relevant to this hand. That would just be a general suggestion.

Here it doesn't matter. If you raised smaller and hit top set on the flop, you can't exactly fold it anyway (barring a lot of confidence on your read against a player you know very well).

**mrmarket** · 09-04-12, 10:52 PM

Well you get him to put 1/3 of his stack in with QTo. I would be thankful. You're basically coolered but remember you get it in vs lower sets, sometimes OESD too

**BiTeMe UsAdOj** · 09-04-12, 11:23 PM

Originally posted by BeerDog99

OK, so what do I do wrong here?

What you did wrong is you were foolish enough to take up poker in the first place.

Please PM daneblazer for more details.....

**BeerDog99** · 09-05-12, 12:29 AM

Originally posted by BiTeMe UsAdOj

What you did wrong is you were foolish enough to take up poker in the first place.

Please PM daneblazer for more details.....

LOL, agreed, I am starting to think that.

Where ya been bud? Hope things are cool with you.

Cheers.

**BiTeMe UsAdOj** · 09-05-12, 01:11 AM

Originally posted by BeerDog99

Where ya been bud?

Friggin Gummo pleaded with me few weeks back to start playing his tournies for him and like the nice guy that I am... I agreed.

Few others noticed the "heater" and begged me also (I just keep fukkin up Yisman's on purpose

)

Anyway... been taking up lots of my time keepin these fuks in the Top 50, BD.....

**hockey216** · 09-05-12, 12:10 PM

its a cooler. not much you can do.

but i dont really like cold-raising 5bb preflop in tournies. even with a medium pair like 99-JJ. thats a big bet. i like min-raises to a max of about 3x preflop. unless i am short and stuffing. it's just my opinion because i like to be able to make bets preflop and on the flop without getting pot-comitted.

But aside from the large preflop bet, there wasn't much you can do. Sometimes that happens where you get dealt top set vs. a straight. sometimes you flop lower flush vs. higher flush. it sucks. its a cooler. but its unfortunately part of the game. sometimes you will get dealt coolers. KK v. AA preflop is another tough hand to get away from. I don't really ever fold kings preflop. Sometimes poker screws you. deals you a monster for someone else to have better one. its just tough luck. not your fault. you played the hand ok. Although i would have liked a smaller preflop raise.

Besides, you had outs! if the board paired or the case jack came, you take it. you were about 28% on the flop. On the turn you had 10 outs to win, and 3 outs to chop if a T came. you weren't in that bad of shape.

**BeerDog99** · 09-05-12, 06:36 PM

Originally posted by BiTeMe UsAdOj

Friggin Gummo pleaded with me few weeks back to start playing his tournies for him and like the nice guy that I am... I agreed.

Few others noticed the "heater" and begged me also (I just keep fukkin up Yisman's on purpose

)

Anyway... been taking up lots of my time keepin these fuks in the Top 50, BD.....

Ya, didn't think Gummo (nor his Bot) could play that well..... Mystery solved! :-)