ronpaul2008 and d2bets are brothers and they are at the 5-10 together right now

[secretstash]

ronpaul2008 and d2bets are brothers and they are at the 5-10 together right now

is this cheating and against sbr rules ?
secretstash: ron funny thing ur here with ur brother playing and im a cheater?
secretstash: i will be sure to let lou know
rickysteve: THEY COULD COMBINE CARDS AND STILL HAVE NO EDGE
d2bets: so what we cant ever play at the same table
d2bets: ?
secretstash: ur not supposed to no
trytrytry: who is d2bets brother?
d2bets: really?
ronpaul2008: vegas lets you
d2bets: never been told that
secretstash: but lou would ban u both
ronpaul2008: we were just there and did
d2bets: we play at the same table in tourneys it seems like all the time
trytrytry: ronpaul and d2bets are brother
secretstash: yes try
d2bets: yes
trytrytry: ok..r they in the same room?
ronpaul2008: no
secretstash: i dunno man but its sketchy at best
trytrytry: ok thanks.
d2bets: we dont live together, no, obviously not
trytrytry: hey we are all brothers here...
ronpaul2008: thats absolutely true
_____________________
secretstash: jus saying its against sbr rules
secretstash: i know yall two aint cheating but sbr doesnt allow it
secretstash: ask chemicalbrother and his bro
secretstash: they both got banned lost every pt they had
ronpaul2008: show me the rule
d2bets: what is the rule?
secretstash: ask playersonly
playersonly69: what rule
secretstash: players d2bets and ronpaul2008 are brothers
secretstash: are they allowed to both play same room?
rickysteve: STFU SECREST YOU CHEATING POS
ronpaul2008: its not a secret
playersonly69: probably
playersonly69: is that dsethi?
secretstash: ricky quit spamming
secretstash: i dunno who it is
d2bets: we've played against each other lots, happens in tourneys all the time
secretstash: but they are brothers. and sbr bans people for this
secretstash: i will just ask lou if its ok. brb
playersonly69: are they winning though?
d2bets: is there a specified relationship, i mean, what about friends? cousins too? in-laws?
ronpaul2008: go ask, fine
playersonly69: but no it shouldnt be allowed, but these are just points
playersonly69: and you could quit now i guess
d2bets: we are not at the same address or even the same city
secretstash: its doesnt matter
playersonly69: you must be up around 750 points, qwuit now
secretstash: either was downsouth and his father
secretstash: either was chemicalbrother and his brother
ronpaul2008: im down o nthe day
secretstash: both banned and all pts lost
playersonly69: trust me though that Roxy DEFINITELY was cheating today
secretstash: ok players. well this is obvious in front of u and u ignore it?
playersonly69: i am going to research the other players if i get a chance
secretstash: u got their usernames?
playersonly69: well i dont know that they are even brothers
d2bets: who should i ask? i don't wana to do anything wrong. never ocurred to me.
secretstash: post them i will resaerch pt history for sure
d2bets: we are
d2bets: everyone knows
secretstash: sorry d2 but itsnot allowed
d2bets: we've been to bash
d2bets: i think we played at final table at bash
playersonly69: it will take me a while to get the exact poster names
secretstash: ? y
playersonly69: is this Skinsraj damnit
rickysteve: IGNORE SECREST HES TRYINGTO PROJECT HIS OWN CHEATING ON YOU
playersonly69: because i have been to bashes too
ronpaul2008: i won 2 years ago and came in 2nd three years ago
secretstash: ricky ur unreal man. u been cheating for weeks
d2bets: the problem is we both play a lot of 5/10 and there isnt that much action so we end up playing somet
playersonly69: and i have met Dsethi and Skins
ronpaul2008: easy to get my name
secretstash: d2bets sorry man but explain it to lou
secretstash: he will be here shortly im sure
rickysteve: KILL YOURSELF SECREST
secretstash: who is secrest?
secretstash: ryan?
d2bets: i have nothing to explain, but yeah, if someone says specifically we cant play at any table then i..
playersonly69: ricky, you do seem to be Dsethi based on your comments to me a few weeks ago
secretstash: u see how this dude is flaming/bashing me here players?
playersonly69: yes
d2bets: ...wont, but sometimes i dont even notice
secretstash: pretty sure ricky is in on the scamming somehow.
playersonly69: how do everyone know that these guys are brothers?
d2bets: what about toruneys though?
secretstash: ron told me lol what an idiot
d2bets: not like theres an option
playersonly69: so Ron is the brother?
secretstash: yes
ronpaul2008: everyone knows, weve been to bashes together
ronpaul2008: whoopie
secretstash: obviously not ron
playersonly69: are you Indian?
secretstash: trytrytry reported u earlier he must not have known
secretstash: he pm'd me and asked if i thought u were cheating
secretstash: i said probably not but sbr doesnt allow it
secretstash: :S
ronpaul2008: got a link to this rule?
secretstash: i will link u to the 2 people that got banned recently for it
playersonly69: so who are we talking about again? Steve and Ron paul?
playersonly69: and what does d2bets have to do with this?
secretstash: ronpaul2008 and d2bets
secretstash: brothers
d2bets: i am ron2008's brother
d2bets: everyone knows that, i thought
playersonly69: i thought that i was your brother
secretstash: lol
d2bets: hehe
secretstash: players make a thread bout these two and sbr will answer right away
playersonly69: Mom cheated on dad then
secretstash: then we will know if its cheating
secretstash: or allowed?
playersonly69: i had better not make the thread, i got into trouble for my sportsoptions thread earlier
secretstash: cuz u posted an rx advertiser here
d2bets: actually i usually try to avoid playing him cuz i dont wanna take his chips...
playersonly69: but they certainly are sharing cards
secretstash: its not allowed
d2bets: but sometimes its the only action around
secretstash: see and THAT is why its not allowed d2bets
d2bets: why
secretstash: u avoiding his action ISNT fair
secretstash: its cheating
d2bets: uhhhhh
d2bets: i mean i usually try not to sit at his tables
secretstash: well u did today
playersonly69: TRUST ME that they are also sharing cards
secretstash: im sure they in yahoo im players
playersonly69: the MAIN thing in collusions would be...........
ronpaul2008: we dont collude at all
playersonly69: lets say that I had 7-10 in this hand but folded
d2bets: i hate to admit bu wouldnt even know how to collude
d2bets: im not shapr like that
secretstash: yall iming eachtoher back n forth ur cards
d2bets: sharp
playersonly69: i told my brother so he knows that you probably dont have a 10\
playersonly69: by the way, i did have 7-10 last hand
ronpaul2008: anybody could collude, how does not being related prevent that ?
playersonly69: true

[Rod1010]

unreal

[secretstash]

they are soft playing eachother and "staying out of hands vs eachother" and PlayersOnly even said they prolly im eachother on yahoo ....wtf?

-stash

[iifold]

Tebow bankrupts SBRJohn...

Makes me lose every roll at the crap table to make up for it...

Now this...

Fukk Jesus

[zsr]

Really not sure why this is a problem? Anybody on sbr could be colluding at any time (and probably are) if there was no specific odd hands then dont see the point in complaining. Not like a tourney where you could chip dump.

[RonPaul2008]

If there is a rule I never heard of it, but everyone knows we are brothers and we never hid it. Won't do it if it's against the rules.

[secretstash]

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[RonPaul2008]

What's your point? I was out of points and he loaned me and I paid him back.

[zsr]

What's your point? I was out of points and he loaned me and I paid him back.

Lol stash on a mission for some reason. Wow.

[secretstash]

If there is a rule I never heard of it, but everyone knows we are brothers and we never hid it. Won't do it if it's against the rules.

people have been banned for this recently actually. and all pts lost.

gl with ur case



-stash

[mrmarket]

Drama

[Rod1010]

RonPaul buried


Don't fuk with Stash

[romecloneout]

wow grown men telling on others over fukkkin free points???? haha unreal what this world is coming to....grow up man

[zsr]

RonPaul buried


Don't fuk with Stash

Unless you steal his points and screw him over like carseller. He's ok with that for some reason

[secretstash]

Sbr John is at the table now and d2bets left. who knows what will happen or what the rules are .. we shall see

-stash

[d2bets]

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10:19 PM</td> <td class="pointNote"> Transfer for this post.
</td> <td>RonPaul2008</td> <td>d2bets</td> <td class="alignCenter">Post Point</td> <td class="alignRight negative">-353
[COLOR=#000 !important]641.00[/color]</td> </tr> <tr class="transactionListEntry valid pointsRowAlt1"> <td class="alignLeft">3C6229</td> <td class="alignLeft" style="padding-right: 8px;">4/28/2011
8:54 PM</td> <td class="pointNote"> Transfer for this post.
</td> <td>d2bets</td> <td>RonPaul2008</td> <td class="alignCenter">Post Point</td> <td class="alignRight positive">+200
[COLOR=#000 !important]200.00[/color]</td> </tr> <tr class="transactionListEntry valid pointsRowAlt0"> <td class="alignLeft">383B72</td> <td class="alignLeft" style="padding-right: 8px;">3/26/2011
10:08 PM</td> <td class="pointNote"> Transfer for this post.
</td> <td>RonPaul2008</td> <td>d2bets</td> <td class="alignCenter">Post Point</td> <td class="alignRight negative">-132
[COLOR=#000 !important]452.00[/color]</td> </tr> <tr class="transactionListEntry valid pointsRowAlt1"> <td class="alignLeft">34B29E</td> <td class="alignLeft" style="padding-right: 8px;">2/26/2011
7:58 PM</td> <td class="pointNote"> Transfer for this post.
</td> <td>d2bets</td> <td>RonPaul2008</td> <td class="alignCenter">Post Point</td> <td class="alignRight positive">+130
[COLOR=#000 !important]159.00[/color]</td></tr></tbody></table>

Haha you busted us. We transferred points 6+ months ago so he could get a pizza. And then I bought him a pizza and he paid me back in points. Call the DA.

[shari91]

Sbr John is at the table now and d2bets left. who knows what will happen or what the rules are .. we shall see

-stash

The rules are people cannot play from the same location, control multiple accounts, etc... Same as at any other online poker site.

[secretstash]

The rules are people cannot play from the same location, control multiple accounts, etc... Same as at any other online poker site.

so ur saying downsouth controlled multiple accounts?

just asking not accusing

i just dont understand how being at same table with ur brother is allowed.. seems like semi cheating

-stash

[iifold]

They have almost 40,000 combined points...

Evidence mounting...

[shari91]

so ur saying downsouth controlled multiple accounts?

just asking no accusing

-stash

Where did I mention any poster specifically? You said you didn't know what the rules are so I explained them to you.

[secretstash]

They have almost 40,000 combined points... Evidence mounting...

i hope they havent cheated.. but chip dumping rollovers may come into play here. i surely hope not.

-stash

[secretstash]

Where did I mention any poster specifically? You said you didn't know what the rules are so I explained them to you.

ok ur right i apologize

i assumed too much here and im sorry bout this comment.

i just think downsouth is a good guy and i cant imagine him cheating but he was banned for near same thing

-stash

[secretstash]

The rules are people cannot play from the same location, control multiple accounts, etc... Same as at any other online poker site.

can they sit at same table in a cash game and possibly share hole cards? or even soft play eachother.. seems unfair if u ask me.

i know they are both solid normally.. just asking cuz i think it aint right.

-stash

[mrmarket]

The rules are people cannot play from the same location, control multiple accounts, etc... Same as at any other online poker site.

That's a given. What are your standards about collusion though? I don't know anything about DB or RP but every person related to each other that I've played against at a live table have softplayed. It's less so than with friends because sibling rivalry sometimes kicks in but it's still there. As long as it's out in the open i don't care because I can just adjust but if they've been sitting at the same table without informing people there's a problem. At a minimum they should advise the table as soon as they sit togeather. Granted lots of softplaying goes on at SBR tables but you should really get some guidelines down.

Besides the softplaying I haven't seen much collusion TBH except at 1 final table I was at but I thought it was too funny/pathetic to bother dealing with.

[King Mayan]

Banhammers will smash skulls.

[Al Masters]

Stash,

Can you elaborate on the Downsouth story to the best of your knowledgeor post a link?

[griz]

secret stash u are a fukking bitch

[secretstash]

secret stash u are a fukking bitch

what did i do to u man? u their cousin or wtf?




-stash

[shari91]

can they sit at same table in a cash game and possibly share hole cards? or even soft play eachother.. seems unfair if u ask me.

i know they are both solid normally.. just asking cuz i think it aint right.

-stash

You and I could do the same thing... as could anyone on here. Don't need to be relatives to share hole cards and chat on IM during games.

That's a given. What are your standards about collusion though? I don't know anything about DB or RP but every person related to each other that I've played against at a live table have softplayed. It's less so than with friends because sibling rivalry sometimes kicks in but it's still there. As long as it's out in the open i don't care because I can just adjust but if they've been sitting at the same table without informing people there's a problem. At a minimum they should advise the table as soon as they sit togeather. Granted lots of softplaying goes on at SBR tables but you should really get some guidelines down.

Besides the softplaying I haven't seen much collusion TBH except at 1 final table I was at but I thought it was too funny/pathetic to bother dealing with.

If someone believes they have evidence of collusion between any posters, they should send a PM to an Admin or an email to forum@sbrforum.com along with the pertinent info and it will be looked into.

[romecloneout]

how does sbr know that you are not cheating with someone? man ur a fukkin cry baby...they are free points u dipshit. did they steal ur pts? why do u care? dont play with them if they make u so uncomfortable..dont be a fukkin snitch.....damn kids crying about free points unfukkin real

[secretstash]

how does sbr know that you are not cheating with someone? man ur a fukkin cry baby...they are free points u dipshit. did they steal ur pts? why do u care? dont play with them if they make u so uncomfortable..dont be a fukkin snitch.....damn kids crying about free points unfukkin real

ur a non pro so i understand ur small man syndrome.



-stash

[zsr]

ur a non pro so i understand ur small man syndrome.



-stash

He makes a good point. Weren't you disconnecting against the other guy?

[secretstash]

lol d2bets back to the game.. classic.

come watch

-stash

[secretstash]

He makes a good point. Weren't you disconnecting against the other guy? You were cheating too.

i disconnected one time on sbr ever . and i told ricky i was sorry for him crying about it.

SBR can confirm I have 2 disconnects left so evidently it was a one time internet mess up not a common one

I actually wanted to raise him and got disconnected. total mishap. trust me rickysteve is a HUGE donkey and I see him down every time and win

I had him beat that hand as well

-stash

[moses millsap]

Do they ever play HU together with not just massive pots, where chip dumps may occur?