Thought I Would Share This 1 Outer

sq764 · 09-05-11, 09:14 AM

actually an 8 on the river would have beaten you too...

k13 · 09-05-11, 10:01 AM

Best hand won.

lolguy999 · 09-05-11, 11:23 AM

best hand won... no bad beat there

khicks26 · 09-06-11, 01:50 PM

it is a bad beat, his set got trashed by a one out Ace on the river. as for the 8, what the hell are those clowns doing in the hand in the frist place. AA had a less than 5% chance to hit there card. I would call it a bad beat.

sq764 · 09-12-11, 07:36 AM

Its really not a bad beat, when they both had their chips all in it was kk vs aa.. The kk were dominated..

nomeansno · 09-12-11, 08:21 AM

This is not a bad beat lol, they got it in before the flop and best hand won. He got real lucky to hit that K in the first place

ThaddeusB · 09-12-11, 10:21 AM

It's not a bad beat (but is a 1 outer hit). The only thing that matters is the odds when the money went in, which strongly favored AA.

khicks26 · 09-14-11, 07:34 AM

Originally posted by ThaddeusB

It's not a bad beat (but is a 1 outer hit). The only thing that matters is the odds when the money went in, which strongly favored AA.

if it was you with the KK and a 1 outer hit the river. you would say it was a bad beat. AA vs KK the money is going in pre flop most of the time anyway. when the K hits on the flop, KK has AA killed. so the odds do matter. any 1 outer on the river is a bad beat. it does not matter how the money got in, or when.

Originally posted by ThaddeusB

It's not a bad beat (but is a 1 outer hit). The only thing that matters is the odds when the money went in, which strongly favored AA.

this is like saying my House will still be worth the same amount. even if the market takes a nose dive. because of when i bought it.

ThaddeusB · 09-14-11, 11:38 PM

Originally posted by khicks26

if it was you with the KK and a 1 outer hit the river. you would say it was a bad beat. AA vs KK the money is going in pre flop most of the time anyway. when the K hits on the flop, KK has AA killed. so the odds do matter. any 1 outer on the river is a bad beat. it does not matter how the money got in, or when.

this is like saying my House will still be worth the same amount. even if the market takes a nose dive. because of when i bought it.

I'm sorry, but if you don't understand why it's not a bad beat, then you are clueless. (And no I wouldn't say it was a bad beat if it happened to me, because I actually understand what the term means.) Bad luck? Maybe; although, I'd argue the real bad luck was getting KK against AA to begin with. Frustrating? Quite likely. Bad beat? Certainly not. In poker the only thing that matters in the long run is the odds when the money went in.

khicks26 · 09-15-11, 07:33 AM

Originally posted by ThaddeusB

I'm sorry, but if you don't understand why it's not a bad beat, then you are clueless. (And no I wouldn't say it was a bad beat if it happened to me, because I actually understand what the term means.) Bad luck? Maybe; although, I'd argue the real bad luck was getting KK against AA to begin with. Frustrating? Quite likely. Bad beat? Certainly not. In poker the only thing that matters in the long run is the odds when the money went in.

ok. so when your sitting there with KK, and someone shoves on you. you would fold your hand everytime. because they might have AA, and your post flop odds don't matter. in the long run this is nitty, and clueless thinking.

mrmarket · 09-15-11, 08:23 AM

He only has AA in his range here preflop guys fold those kk 100% of the time and that is why it is not a bad beat since you got it in badly!

khicks26 · 09-15-11, 12:03 PM

Originally posted by mrmarket

He only has AA in his range here preflop guys fold those kk 100% of the time and that is why it is not a bad beat since you got it in badly!

so in a tournament, players only shove AA. range means, a range of hands not just one hand.

mrmarket · 09-15-11, 01:20 PM

Originally posted by khicks26

so in a tournament, players only shove AA. range means, a range of hands not just one hand.

Perhaps this will help you understand my post better

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/sarcasm

khicks26 · 09-15-11, 01:27 PM

In poker, bad beat is a subjective term for a hand in which a player with what appear to be strong cards nevertheless loses. It most often occurs where one player bets the clearly stronger hand and their opponent makes a poor call that eventually "hits" and wins. There is no consensus among poker players as to what exactly constitutes a bad beat and often players will disagree about whether a particular hand was a bad beat

Any hand that looked like a favorite to win can end up losing as more cards are dealt, but bad beats usually involve one of two scenarios:

The player who wins on a bad beat is rewarded for mathematically unsound play. Calling a bet despite having neither the best hand nor the right pot odds or implied odds to call, then winning anyway, is characteristic of this type of bad beat. It can also involve the inferior hand catching running cards when it requires two cards in a row to come from behind to win the pot. For example, catching cards on both the turn and the river in Texas hold 'em that complete a straight or flush.

A very strong hand loses to an even stronger one. This type of beat occurs with some frequency in movies. In the films The Cincinnati Kid and Casino Royale, The Kid and Le Chiffre each lose with a full house to a straight flush.

These two scenarios are not mutually exclusive

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

from what i read here, nobodys right, and nobodys wrong. its a matter of opinion

yisman · 09-15-11, 01:28 PM

Originally posted by ThaddeusB

It's not a bad beat (but is a 1 outer hit). The only thing that matters is the odds when the money went in, which strongly favored AA.

Agreed. Not a bad beat.

AA had KK dominated. The fact that a K came on the flop is irrelevant, because the money was already in.

The normal definition of a bad beat is when you make a sound bet/call based on the cards, and you had the superior hand, and an unlikely event causes an inferior hand to "suck out" on you.
Like if you have trips against a pair after the flop, all in, and the guy hits both cards on turn/river to wind up with trips/fh, a straight, or a flush.

khicks26 · 09-15-11, 01:32 PM

Originally posted by mrmarket

Perhaps this will help you understand my post better

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/sarcasm

not at all bud. don't take it the wrong way. this hand makes for good poker talk.
which helps everyone to play better.

not trying to be bitter or mean here. sorry

khicks26 · 09-15-11, 01:35 PM

Originally posted by yisman

Agreed. Not a bad beat.

AA had KK dominated. The fact that a K came on the flop is irrelevant, because the money was already in.

The normal definition of a bad beat is when you make a sound bet/call based on the cards, and you had the superior hand, and an unlikely event causes an inferior hand to "suck out" on you.
Like if you have trips against a pair after the flop, all in, and the guy hits both cards on turn/river to wind up with trips/fh, a straight, or a flush.

please read above post

yisman · 09-15-11, 01:36 PM

I did and it agrees that it is most often used in the situation I described.

If you have KK vs. AA and hit a king on the flop, you got lucky in the first place and have no reason to complain if an Ace ends up hitting, assuming the chips went in pre-flop, as they did in this case.

khicks26 · 09-15-11, 01:38 PM

A very strong hand loses to an even stronger one. This type of beat occurs with some frequency in movies. In the films The Cincinnati Kid and Casino Royale, The Kid and Le Chiffre each lose with a full house to a straight flush

khicks26 · 09-15-11, 01:39 PM

Originally posted by mrmarket

Perhaps this will help you understand my post better

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/sarcasm

sorry im a little slow.

got it LOL

khicks26 · 09-15-11, 01:41 PM

There is no consensus among poker players as to what exactly constitutes a bad beat and often players will disagree about whether a particular hand was a bad beat

khicks26 · 09-15-11, 01:45 PM

since we can,t agree, what a bad beat is how about we just say: it was a cooler

khicks26 · 09-15-11, 03:30 PM

YOU MAKE THE CALL

yisman · 09-15-11, 10:24 PM

Just had a good example of a bad beat.

Some donkey at DSI poker kept shoving on me. He shoved in big on the turn. Turn gave me two pair. I had him dominated. I went all in to re-raise. He called.

He caught a 10 on the river.

khicks26 · 09-16-11, 12:26 PM

Originally posted by yisman

Just had a good example of a bad beat.

Some donkey at DSI poker kept shoving on me. He shoved in big on the turn. Turn gave me two pair. I had him dominated. I went all in to re-raise. He called.

He caught a 10 on the river.

are you sure it was a bad beat

. just kidding.