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  • TheCentaur
    SBR Hall of Famer
    • 06-28-11
    • 8108

    #1
    So my player rating is 1400 now
    If anyone wants to play I will be at the Sanctuary table where I belong
  • boeing power
    SBR Hall of Famer
    • 03-23-10
    • 9698

    #2
    Too high IMO.

    You've been on tilt for months.
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    • bobbywaves
      SBR Posting Legend
      • 05-06-08
      • 13280

      #3
      I tried sitting down with you at Sanctuary table, but received this error message:

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ID:	29125017

      Now how about updating your SBR poker villain rankings.
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      • mpaschal34
        SBR Posting Legend
        • 02-04-13
        • 12087

        #4
        so what's the math behind these ratings? not saying bobbywaves is not a good player, just how does he have a perfect score with only 2 first places and a 10th in the last month (and no ring badges). i could understand if they were all 1st, but the one 10th place finish should deduct some down. it also doesn't appear he's tearing up the cash games (unless he's playing the lower limit tables).

        as for centaur, he has a 1st and two 2nd's which would seem to make him higher than 1400. this math makes no sense to me.

        i wonder what shogunrua's is? he's been on fire the last month or so.
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        • BeerDog99
          SBR MVP
          • 09-22-10
          • 4894

          #5
          SBR has never published the algorythm used. If memory serves, when they implemented the ratings, I believe SBR_John did indicate that they would publish it but that never materialized.

          And regarding Bobby's post, I find that beyond amusing. There is not a player here that would be concerned about playing him, therefore there obviously is some severely warped/skewed calculations in the SBR ratings.

          Lastly to be clear, I am not saying Bobby is a bad poker player per se, just that his style is very obvious and exploitable. IMHO, that is the main reason he does not sit at the ring tables regularly and only with rollover points.

          To each his own, Bobby plays a certain way and that makes him happy, more power too him.
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          • bobbywaves
            SBR Posting Legend
            • 05-06-08
            • 13280

            #6
            Originally posted by BeerDog99
            And regarding Bobby's post, I find that beyond amusing. There is not a player here that would be concerned about playing him
            Yet Tripe was the only one to take on Waves for annual challenge, "I find that beyond amusing."
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            • sinmiedo
              SBR MVP
              • 03-10-10
              • 2698

              #7
              Originally posted by bobbywaves
              Yet Tripe was the only one to take on Waves for annual challenge, "I find that beyond amusing."
              i should have take the challenge, just for the fun of it. Gl to all
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              • ShogunRua
                SBR MVP
                • 12-23-09
                • 4668

                #8
                Originally posted by mpaschal34
                so what's the math behind these ratings? not saying bobbywaves is not a good player, just how does he have a perfect score with only 2 first places and a 10th in the last month (and no ring badges). i could understand if they were all 1st, but the one 10th place finish should deduct some down. it also doesn't appear he's tearing up the cash games (unless he's playing the lower limit tables).

                as for centaur, he has a 1st and two 2nd's which would seem to make him higher than 1400. this math makes no sense to me.

                i wonder what shogunrua's is? he's been on fire the last month or so.
                That hot streak ended at the beginning of last week.
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                • daneblazer
                  BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                  • 09-14-08
                  • 27861

                  #9
                  When I was going for the IPad, I won 9000 points in like 6 weeks and my rating stayed around 1400 the entire time

                  edit: it's 1412 now
                  Last edited by daneblazer; 05-26-14, 03:27 PM.
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                  • sinmiedo
                    SBR MVP
                    • 03-10-10
                    • 2698

                    #10
                    Originally posted by ShogunRua
                    That hot streak ended at the beginning of last week.
                    Hell of a ride . only good players can do it
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                    • Triple_D_Bet
                      SBR Hall of Famer
                      • 12-12-11
                      • 7626

                      #11
                      Originally posted by mpaschal34
                      so what's the math behind these ratings? not saying bobbywaves is not a good player, just how does he have a perfect score with only 2 first places and a 10th in the last month (and no ring badges). i could understand if they were all 1st, but the one 10th place finish should deduct some down. it also doesn't appear he's tearing up the cash games (unless he's playing the lower limit tables).

                      as for centaur, he has a 1st and two 2nd's which would seem to make him higher than 1400. this math makes no sense to me.

                      i wonder what shogunrua's is? he's been on fire the last month or so.
                      It seems to be ELO-based...those type of rankings work well for 100% skill games with consistency (such as chess), but terribly for games with any element of variance. Even though much better statistical models exist for ratings, the lack of widespread adoption of any rating system shows how difficult it is to account for both skill and variance in any non-extreme sample size with any certainty. The most reliable rating system is (and probably always will be) winnings.
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                      • bobbywaves
                        SBR Posting Legend
                        • 05-06-08
                        • 13280

                        #12
                        Originally posted by sinmiedo
                        i should have take the challenge, just for the fun of it. Gl to all
                        \

                        Yeah...you would have been the favorite going in & have a commanding lead at this juncture.
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                        • sinmiedo
                          SBR MVP
                          • 03-10-10
                          • 2698

                          #13
                          Originally posted by bobbywaves
                          \

                          Yeah...you would have been the favorite going in & have a commanding lead at this juncture.
                          you still kicking my teeth in this event though. Gl again bobby
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                          • Triple_D_Bet
                            SBR Hall of Famer
                            • 12-12-11
                            • 7626

                            #14
                            Originally posted by sinmiedo
                            you still kicking my teeth in this event though. Gl again bobby
                            No less than he expected I imagine...I think you're a pretty good player sin (and not too bad in cash, certainly better than some in this thread!)...but since your TidyBob "ROI" isn't even 2, no doubt bobby considers himself the superior player
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                            • RudyRuetigger
                              SBR Aristocracy
                              • 08-24-10
                              • 65084

                              #15
                              why do i not see bobby at 5/10 or 10/20 ever???
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                              • BeerDog99
                                SBR MVP
                                • 09-22-10
                                • 4894

                                #16
                                Originally posted by RudyRuetigger
                                why do i not see bobby at 5/10 or 10/20 ever???
                                LOL, because people who play that level will not flip with him....
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                                • mpaschal34
                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                  • 02-04-13
                                  • 12087

                                  #17
                                  So is flipping how you get a 2300 rating? Now I understand.
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                                  • bobbywaves
                                    SBR Posting Legend
                                    • 05-06-08
                                    • 13280

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by sinmiedo
                                    you still kicking my teeth in this event though. Gl again bobby
                                    How so, when you would have a commanding lead? No luck necessary, as I'm only playing Tripe. But thanks anyway.
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                                    • bobbywaves
                                      SBR Posting Legend
                                      • 05-06-08
                                      • 13280

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by mpaschal34
                                      So is flipping how you get a 2300 rating? Now I understand.
                                      I doubt rating is due to flipping, as it's obviously a 50/50 prop.
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                                      • BeerDog99
                                        SBR MVP
                                        • 09-22-10
                                        • 4894

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by bobbywaves
                                        I doubt rating is due to flipping, as it's obviously a 50/50 prop.
                                        LOL, flipping definitely comes into play for the rating. It is a 50/50 (minus rake) prop but that does not determine what the outcome is...
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                                        • bobbywaves
                                          SBR Posting Legend
                                          • 05-06-08
                                          • 13280

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by BeerDog99
                                          It is a 50/50 (minus rake) prop but that does not determine what the outcome is...
                                          Of course it doesn't determine outcome, but flipping hot streaks rarely happen. And if it does happen, a cold streak is sure to follow. So I don't see how that would inflate rating. Lucky to break even flipping, it's obviously done to save time rolling.
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                                          • Triple_D_Bet
                                            SBR Hall of Famer
                                            • 12-12-11
                                            • 7626

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by mpaschal34
                                            So is flipping how you get a 2300 rating? Now I understand.
                                            No; since rating is likely based on winning hands, playing Omaha H/l exclusively is what's responsible for a high rating...if you chop the H and the L, both people are "winners" even though they just got raked, and ratings increase for both accordingly. People who play actual poker will see less than 100% win at showdown %, and since folding postflop is likely treated at least partially as a loss, ring game poker ratings will be very low unless a player is a supernit. About the only reliable conclusion to draw from the rating system is that a greater one means the player is more timid.
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                                            • RudyRuetigger
                                              SBR Aristocracy
                                              • 08-24-10
                                              • 65084

                                              #23
                                              Booby how fukkin dumb are you pal
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                                              • bobbywaves
                                                SBR Posting Legend
                                                • 05-06-08
                                                • 13280

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by RudyRuetigger
                                                Booby how fukkin dumb are you pal
                                                Coming from a broke dikk fukk, nice goose egg. Apparently Pacers ML didn't work out for you last night. Hey lush, keep drinking your sorrows away.
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                                                • RudyRuetigger
                                                  SBR Aristocracy
                                                  • 08-24-10
                                                  • 65084

                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by bobbywaves
                                                  Coming from a broke dikk fukk, nice goose egg. Apparently Pacers ML didn't work out for you last night. Hey lush, keep drinking your sorrows away.
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                                                  • hockey216
                                                    SBR MVP
                                                    • 08-20-08
                                                    • 4583

                                                    #26
                                                    Come play me heads up tonight
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                                                    • ProlificalD
                                                      SBR High Roller
                                                      • 02-07-14
                                                      • 164

                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by Triple_D_Bet

                                                      It seems to be ELO-based...those type of rankings work well for 100% skill games with consistency (such as chess), but terribly for games with any element of variance. Even though much better statistical models exist for ratings, the lack of widespread adoption of any rating system shows how difficult it is to account for both skill and variance in any non-extreme sample size with any certainty. The most reliable rating system is (and probably always will be) winnings.
                                                      This.

                                                      The last time I seen a rating system like this is when I used to play Euchre and it worked so games could be restricted to ratings. I dont see a purpose for this with poker tables, as high rated players would rather play lower rated players rather than the chess example above.
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                                                      • bobbywaves
                                                        SBR Posting Legend
                                                        • 05-06-08
                                                        • 13280

                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by mpaschal34
                                                        not saying bobbywaves is not a good player, just how does he have a perfect score with only 2 first places and a 10th in the last month
                                                        Badges don't last a full month. I probably average around 12-15 cashes per month, way more than the 3 cashes you quoted.
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                                                        • RudyRuetigger
                                                          SBR Aristocracy
                                                          • 08-24-10
                                                          • 65084

                                                          #29
                                                          calm down robert
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                                                          • GUMMO77
                                                            SBR Hall of Famer
                                                            • 08-23-10
                                                            • 9294

                                                            #30
                                                            Between the Sanctuary table and hand-for-hand with 15 people left, SBR Poker has been coasting the past couple of years.

                                                            An upgrade is needed.
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                                                            • bobbywaves
                                                              SBR Posting Legend
                                                              • 05-06-08
                                                              • 13280

                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by RudyRuetigger
                                                              calm down robert
                                                              You talkin' to me?

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                                                              • 4uk4life
                                                                SBR MVP
                                                                • 12-09-10
                                                                • 3302

                                                                #32
                                                                It aint even about how high your ratings are.....it's about how many pizzas you've won
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                                                                • GUMMO77
                                                                  SBR Hall of Famer
                                                                  • 08-23-10
                                                                  • 9294

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by 4uk4life
                                                                  It aint even about how high your ratings are.....it's about how many pizzas you've won
                                                                  UK gets it.
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                                                                  • Auto Donk
                                                                    SBR Aristocracy
                                                                    • 09-03-13
                                                                    • 43558

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by bobbywaves
                                                                    Badges don't last a full month. I probably average around 12-15 cashes per month, way more than the 3 cashes you quoted.
                                                                    your little wussypussy "back into the money" badges may not last for long, but I've got some almost two months old, cocckmaster. difference between firsts and fahgits.....
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                                                                    • bobbywaves
                                                                      SBR Posting Legend
                                                                      • 05-06-08
                                                                      • 13280

                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by Auto Donk
                                                                      but I've got some almost two months old
                                                                      Get your facts str8 Donkey. You have only one that's almost 2 months old, not "some." And that's because it was a weekend tourney, not daily.

                                                                      You're still nowhere to be found on the leaderboards bitch.
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