Should I have folded KK here?

[Optional]

I kind of figured one of these guys had AA and maybe the other AK, but still called.

Should I have folded?



Blinds are 25/50 and dealt KK in mid position.

bachngocduong, with 6s8s, limps in before me
I bet 150
compsmoker, with AA, raises to 350
bachngocduong pushes allin and both compsmoker and I call.
Flop comes As, 7s, 3s to give bachng a flush, and leave me drawing dead.
Turn pairs the board to give compsmoker a boat.

***** Hand history (v1.2) *****
Hand ID 2782772
$0 + $6 Texas Hold'em (No Limit) - 23:26:00 23/01/2013 ET
Table 'Table 40171', 10 seats max, Real money
Seat 3 is the button. Small Blind $25, Big Blind $50
Note: seat IDs range from 1 to 10
Seat 1 (playing) : Optional, amount $1719, amount bet $0, penalty (None)
Seat 2 (playing) : stefan084, amount $2970, amount bet $0, penalty (None)
Seat 3 (playing) : zam77, amount $2879, amount bet $0, penalty (None)
Seat 4 (playing) : firstSmoKE, amount $1700, amount bet $0, penalty (None)
Seat 5 (playing) : compsmoker, amount $3065, amount bet $0, penalty (None)
Seat 6 (playing) : stuler, amount $2705, amount bet $0, penalty (None)
Seat 7 (playing) : dwwu, amount $2299, amount bet $0, penalty (None)
Seat 8 (playing) : yisman, amount $1345, amount bet $0, penalty (None)
Seat 9 (playing) : bachngocduong, amount $3035, amount bet $0, penalty (None)
Seat 10 (playing) : SlickRick1382, amount $1185, amount bet $0, penalty (None)
firstSmoKE: Small Blind ($25)
compsmoker: Big Blind ($50)
** Dealing Down Cards **
Dealt to Optional: [Kc, Kh]
stuler: Fold
dwwu: Fold
yisman: Fold
bachngocduong: Call ($50)
SlickRick1382: Fold
Optional: Raise [btn] ($150)
stefan084: Fold
zam77: Call ($150)
firstSmoKE: Fold
compsmoker: Raise ($350)
bachngocduong: Raise ($3035)
Optional: Call [btn] ($1569)
zam77: Fold
compsmoker: Call ($2685)
Optional: Show Cards ($0)
compsmoker: Show Cards ($0)
bachngocduong: Show Cards ($0)
** Dealing Flop **
Community cards: [As, 7s, 3s]
** Dealing Turn **
Community cards: [3d]
** Dealing River **
Community cards: [8d]
** End Round **
** Evaluate **
compsmoker: Show Cards ($0)
bachngocduong: Show Cards ($0)
Optional: Show Cards ($0)
** Showdown **
Main pot $5332, Rake $0
Side pot #1 $2632, Rake $0
Summary Optional: bet $1719, won $0, net $-1719
Summary compsmoker: bet $3085, won $7964, net $4879, HoleCards [Ac, Ad], HiHand [a full house, aces full of threes] [As, Ad, Ac, 3s, 3d], won $5332 from main pot, won $2632 from side pot #1
Summary bachngocduong: bet $3085, won $0, net $-3085

[yisman]

I would've called.

[IMightBluff]

Its a SBR Freeroll never fold KK, or even QQ preflop !

[Conan]

cant realy fold KK there ya they might have AA but they also do that with QQ JJ and as we see 68 kk is above the range there.

[Optional]

Cool

Juts wanted to check.

[IMightBluff]

Even if you do like super conservative hand ranges for the people in these sbr tourneys your still 53% fav

	equity	win	tie	pots won	pots tied
Hand 0:	53.07%	51.74%	1.33%	3065969602	78908228.33 ** KK **
Hand 1:	23.44%	21.66%	1.78%	1283558836	105501290.33 ** TT+, AQs+, KQs, AQo+ **
Hand 2:	23.49%	21.65%	1.83%	1283179757	108651828.33 ** TT+, AQs+, KQs, AQo+ **

[4uk4life]

The last 4 times I can remember that I had KK, I lost 3 of them when shoving preflop. I'll try a 5th time when the opportunity comes again.

[IMightBluff]

The last 4 times I can remember that I had KK, I lost 3 of them when shoving preflop. I'll try a 5th time when the opportunity comes again.

You will win eventually lol

	equity	win	tie	pots won	pots tied
Hand 0:	82.40%	82.12%	0.28%	10334823348	35030880.00 ** KK **
Hand 1:	17.60%	17.33%	0.28%	2180549292	35030880.00 ** random **

[Optional]

Actually, I meant was that the right play in the real world, not just for an SBR tourney.

[boscokid]

I would have bet more preflop. Doung is an idiot and can be disregarded. Betting more keeps zam out of hand and forces the AA to basically play his hand face up

[slikec]

If you are 80% sure one of them have AA than you should fold KK.

[Optional]

I would have bet more preflop. Doung is an idiot and can be disregarded. Betting more keeps zam out of hand and forces the AA to basically play his hand face up

Was waiting for someone to say this. At that point in the tourney the table had been all folding and min raising mostly. I considered going in for more but wanted to see the flop with the first decent hand I'd had in a while. Even sounds like newbie play as I type it.

I think Zam had re-raised me pre-flop a couple of times previously from memory, so I probably should have gone harder just on the back of that. Oh well, would have been the same result this time either way.

If you are 80% sure one of them have AA than you should fold KK.

That's why I started the thread. I don't know if I was 80% sure, but I would have been really shocked had I won the hand when I clicked call.

Which was at the root of the original post. Even with being so pessimistic about the outcome I felt like it would have been 'bad' play to fold. But not always you say...



Thanks for all the comments everyone. Very helpful.

[troidatoi12]

Its a SBR Freeroll never fold KK, or even QQ preflop !

lol idiot, he is underdog vs AA