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  • ABEHONEST
    SBR Hall of Famer
    • 06-27-09
    • 9470

    #1
    Merky water concerning Heritage is apparently resolved.
    Okay, Heritage has come through with a thorough explanation as to why WE had this misunderstanding.
    I will pass on our conversation and allow members to see why they are innocent of any thoughts of deceit.

    I will apologize for this mess carrying on so long, but Heritage is also responsible for not explaining...well, hopefully, you'll see.

    Monday:
    HERITAGE:
    Quote Originally Posted by ABEHONEST
    Quote Originally Posted by Heritage Insider
    Am I missing something?
    We pay bonus on the sent amount, never pay bonus on the fees. I've reviewed all of your deposits and you never got a bonus on the fees.
    Happy to review this with you further if you think you require more clarification.
    If we can't seem to satisfy you, I'm happy to send you your balance after you've met rollover requirements at our cost.
    ABE:
    Okay, after an explanation today, you still seem to be missing the major point. How you could, I don't know?
    Their are members stating that they have had you cover their dep. fees, if they deposited 300 or more.

    Well, when you didn't pay mine last Friday, I was dumbfounded. Now, if you didn't pay for the fees, surely you have an explanation?
    Since you didn't pay the 20% bonus on those fees-now this isn't the major issue I have--why not pay the 20% all the entire deposit? That's all out of my pocket.

    Like I said, that's not the major issue, but I do find it ridiculous.

    You need to address the SBR members, or at least the supervisors, and explain to them why you didn't have to pay my fees on that 694 dep.? If you're playing some SBR members their fees, how do you explain that?

    Maybe you have an explanation, but I am sure several people need to hear it, including me?
    I like dealing up front with people and I expect from them to deal with me the with the same courtesy.
    79432
    Tuesdays conversation....below
    HERITAGE
    You were credited your deposit at 4:31pm in the amount of 694.73, also at 4:31pm you were credited with the fee of 56.00, all on 9/7/12.

    Why are you saying you weren't credited your fees? You were! Your bonus was credited on 9/9/12 in the amount of 138.95 . This was the bonus on your deposit amount (not the fee portion). We have NEVER provided the bonus on the fees portion of anyones deposit.

    My offer stands and if you choose to withdraw your balance, we are happy to send it at our cost.

    I don't think this needs a forum explanation as it appears pretty clear to almost everyone and has never been an issue with any other customer that I recall in the 8+ years that I have been with this company.[/QUOTE]
    ABE:
    Ok, I see your explanation and it makes good sense. However, when some agent of yours states "we don't pay the fees," that is where we had the misunderstanding.
    The correct wording, then, would be, we cover your fees by adding it to your balance.
    That statement above "we don't pay for your fees," was the reason for this misunderstanding. I must have overlooked where you did " fees credit"? But it could have easy been explained if someone had addressed it in that manner early on.

    So, the end result is, you are innocent of NOT paying the fees, if indeed this is the routine manner you do the deposits? I called several times to try to clear this up, if you can see, and your chat people had no clue, evidently, what was going on with the fee problem?
    I will insert an SBR thread with your explanation, but I hope you'll understand, when someone states "We don't pay for fees," that is misleading. Whoever stated that, did not comeback and say, we add it to your balance, though.

    And yes, I was disappointed with that rebate, or refund rule. It seemed to be a bit deceiving. You must match it with a dep. and a rollover. Also, I could not take the 20% deposit match, and also get the [111] I would have had coming, right?

    I truly believe--maybe your agents, or supervision, were way too busy--, one email explaining the misunderstanding, would have saved a lot of worry and time.

    One more question about your service:
    Do you offer a different program to any special members of Heritage? I mean, different software, like faster, or a better deposits % for more qualified members?
    You once [last year] had great software. You'd go in an make a quick buy and it moved fast. Now, you have changed your sports software to a far less quality service for wagerers. What was the reason for that, if I may ask?

    *I will apologize for any responsible part of mine in this apparent, misunderstanding.
    Thank you, ABE
  • Brock Landers
    SBR Aristocracy
    • 06-30-08
    • 45359

    #2
    As i told you a few days ago...

    Heritage = A+ book
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    • ABEHONEST
      SBR Hall of Famer
      • 06-27-09
      • 9470

      #3
      Originally posted by Brock Landers
      As i told you a few days ago...

      Heritage = A+ book
      Sorry, with that bad software, I will raise them up to a B, though.
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      • mtneer1212
        SBR MVP
        • 06-22-08
        • 4993

        #4
        Originally posted by ABEHONEST
        Sorry, with that bad software, I will raise them up to a B, though.
        Bad software? I think they have a good interface.....
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        • shari91
          BARRELED IN @ SBR!
          • 02-23-10
          • 32661

          #5
          What exactly is the problem? It looks like you were the only one who had the misunderstanding. This was your conversation with Chuck, no? Your fees on $694.73 were already credited at that point. It's not their fault you didn't bother to check your account or assumed you'd get a bonus on your fees. Find us a book that does that and I'm sure many will deposit there within 30 minutes. Not going to happen.

          Originally posted by ABEHONEST
          Here's the latest from Heritage....
          Got them dead to rights. Do they have a double-standard with selected customers? Check this chat conversation from 12 minutes ago.

          [ME] I see u didn't give me a 20% bonus for the ** fee I was stuck with.
          [Chuck] I'll be with you in just a moment. Please hold
          [ME] I believe that is correct?
          [Chuck] Let me check into this, please hold
          [ME] A fee of 56, making it a total of 750 deposited.
          [Chuck] Well I have on the 7th one deposit of $694.73 + $56(fees)
          [ME] = 750
          [Chuck] Then on the 9th I have one bonus of 20% 8x of $138.95
          [ME] Gee Chuck.
          [ME] Do u not get a 20% of the 56 fee that I paid?
          [Chuck] The 20% applies only on the amount of the deposit Sir.
          [ME Do u ever cover deposit fees?
          [Chuck] We only cover the fees of the deposit on the deposits of $300.00 or more
          [Chuck] But only the fees
          [Chuck] the bonus applies to the deposit amount, not to the fees
          [ME] Chuck, I sent 694 + 56 fee...u refused to pay!
          [ME] Your bosses did anyway, refuse.
          [ME] 694 + 56
          Waited for 5 minutes..
          [ME] Chuck?

          [Chuck]Yes sir, but the bonus only applies for the deposit
          [Chuck] Does not aplies for the fees
          [ME] U just stated u cover any fee over 300, right? Or at least 300.
          Send Message: Yes sir, but the bonus only applies for the deposit
          [Chuck] Does not aplies for the fees
          [ME] U just stated u cover any fee over 300, right? Or at least 300.
          Send Message:
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          • ProfaneReality
            SBR Hall of Famer
            • 04-14-09
            • 7607

            #6
            Abe I am going to assume this was your first deposit offshore. Otherwise it's inexcusable for you to think you were going to receive a bonus on the fees.
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            • PharaohUB
              SBR MVP
              • 01-23-07
              • 4865

              #7
              I can't tell if you have poor english and there was a communication issue, or if there is something wrong with you.
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              • cloverfield
                SBR Wise Guy
                • 12-24-10
                • 862

                #8
                You............really.....thought....... .they........paid.........a.......bonus. .....on..........fees.........which..... ...they.......covered..........on....... .top.........of..........it?

                MY MIND IS BLOWN

                Every thread I have read in the past few weeks makes me appreciate Tonys demeanor a little more at 5Dimes. I can DEFINITELY understand why he is the way he is...when he NEEDS to be.
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                • shari91
                  BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                  • 02-23-10
                  • 32661

                  #9
                  Originally posted by cloverfield
                  You............really.....thought....... .they........paid.........a.......bonus. .....on..........fees.........which..... ...they.......covered..........on....... .top.........of..........it?

                  MY MIND IS BLOWN

                  Every thread I have read in the past few weeks makes me appreciate Tonys demeanor a little more at 5Dimes. I can DEFINITELY understand why he is the way he is...when he NEEDS to be.
                  Yeah as much as Tony and CS reps in general get ripped on the forum you really have to feel for them. I'm assuming ABE just got a bit confused... he says in the PM to Heritage that he was told his fees wouldn't be covered but not only were they covered at the exact minute his deposit was credited but Chuck never even said that to him. It's all a bit strange. But at least it's resolved now.
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                  • CarpeDime
                    SBR Hall of Famer
                    • 09-01-09
                    • 7873

                    #10
                    hahahahahah abehonest IS FUKIN AWESOME and always has been GLAD YOU ARE BACK PAL

                    and VERY glad the merky waters concerning Heritage got resolved!

                    abehonest if i had a book i would basically give you anything you wanted, i would give you a bonus on your deposit fees as well!
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                    • CarpeDime
                      SBR Hall of Famer
                      • 09-01-09
                      • 7873

                      #11
                      everyone in this thread GIVE ABEHONEST MORE RESPECT!!! NOW!!
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                      • BrianLaverty
                        SBR MVP
                        • 07-02-07
                        • 2183

                        #12
                        lol... abe is a moron... bonus on fees covered? wtf?
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                        • ProfaneReality
                          SBR Hall of Famer
                          • 04-14-09
                          • 7607

                          #13
                          Originally posted by CarpeDime
                          hahahahahah abehonest IS FUKIN AWESOME and always has been GLAD YOU ARE BACK PAL

                          and VERY glad the merky waters concerning Heritage got resolved!

                          abehonest if i had a book i would basically give you anything you wanted, i would give you a bonus on your deposit fees as well!
                          Abe demands a bonus on the bonus amount given to him
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                          • wrongturn
                            SBR MVP
                            • 06-06-06
                            • 2228

                            #14
                            Definitely an honest misunderstanding from ABEHONEST on what "Cover the fee" means. In an extreme example, if you deposit $1 and incur $99 fee, you won't expect book to give you $20 bonus (20%) for the $1 they actually receive, right?
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                            • ABEHONEST
                              SBR Hall of Famer
                              • 06-27-09
                              • 9470

                              #15
                              Hmm, no benefit of the doubt by some, eh?
                              I told you plainly, I was told by a phone agent last Saturday morning [I believe ..time?] that they do not pay for the fees. He probably was in a hurry and didn't think to tell me that I would be refunded for it in my balance?
                              Okay, I never pushed the 20% on deposits once I learned they don't do that. I do think it's ridiculous, though, for any Book, NOT to give a bonus for your complete cost out of pocket. My extra bonus would have been a whopping $11, plus still needing to be rolled over, too. Simple mathematics, Mr. Einstein!

                              That example of a 1$ dep and 99$ fee was really slow-witted example.
                              Maybe their software is faster for International members, but when you have to hit 3 to 5 places just to get to the page you want, a gambler gets nervous and hurries into a mistake many times. If it's a hot play, then many gamblers, in a hurray, will have heart attacks, leading to mistakes, also.

                              You also know this; if you're veteran gambler, you can easily get paranoid when dealing with sportsbooks.
                              Young gamblers are gullible enough to believe anything that sounds good, like their chances of winning a lot of money from their Book.
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                              • princecharles
                                SBR Wise Guy
                                • 11-22-10
                                • 827

                                #16
                                Wow.

                                PUT THE SHOVEL DOWN NOW, AND STEP BACK FROM THAT HOLE YOU'RE DIGGING.
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                                • Delicious
                                  SBR MVP
                                  • 04-26-11
                                  • 1006

                                  #17
                                  Got any sharp plays for the weekend Abe?
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                                  • The Kraken
                                    BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                    • 12-25-11
                                    • 28918

                                    #18
                                    Abe glad its resolved, whatever it was.

                                    Could you please go after them about their teaser payouts?

                                    Thanks
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                                    • ABEHONEST
                                      SBR Hall of Famer
                                      • 06-27-09
                                      • 9470

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by CarpeDime
                                      hahahahahah abehonest IS FUKIN AWESOME and always has been GLAD YOU ARE BACK PAL

                                      and VERY glad the merky waters concerning Heritage got resolved!

                                      abehonest if i had a book i would basically give you anything you wanted, i would give you a bonus on your deposit fees as well!
                                      I'm not gay, but I would marry you!
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                                      • ABEHONEST
                                        SBR Hall of Famer
                                        • 06-27-09
                                        • 9470

                                        #20
                                        QUOTE=Delicious;15985004]Got any sharp plays for the weekend Abe?[/QUOTE]

                                        Son, if I could recognize a sharp play I'd be living in Monti Carlo.
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                                        • Delicious
                                          SBR MVP
                                          • 04-26-11
                                          • 1006

                                          #21
                                          just a guess....... you only post when you booze heavily?
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                                          • ABEHONEST
                                            SBR Hall of Famer
                                            • 06-27-09
                                            • 9470

                                            #22
                                            I think you mean lose heavily instead of booze heavily?
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                                            • Delicious
                                              SBR MVP
                                              • 04-26-11
                                              • 1006

                                              #23
                                              Could be pal, the two tend to go together
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                                              • tatommack
                                                SBR MVP
                                                • 10-10-08
                                                • 4171

                                                #24
                                                Unreal you're lucky if they don't boot you
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                                                • ABEHONEST
                                                  SBR Hall of Famer
                                                  • 06-27-09
                                                  • 9470

                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by tatommack
                                                  Unreal you're lucky if they don't boot you
                                                  You're probably a poor reader, but I'll explain anyway?
                                                  When you call the Book and tell them about your deposit, and also, you tell them the fee was 56 biggens', you don't want the agent to tell you when you ask about those fees, "we do not pay your fees." And then not even explain to you that they would add to your total deposit, though. So, I was led to believe that I was stuck with not only depositing a fair amount of my hard-earned money, but, lose the 56, too.

                                                  Goodnight Tommahawk!
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                                                  • tatommack
                                                    SBR MVP
                                                    • 10-10-08
                                                    • 4171

                                                    #26
                                                    Thank you couldn't follow the chat
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                                                    • nflfan2727
                                                      SBR Rookie
                                                      • 12-19-13
                                                      • 2

                                                      #27
                                                      Abe, I'm sorry but you're an absolute moron. This wasn't "merky water", this was more like "you have no clue about how sportsbooks work".
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                                                      • Microphone
                                                        SBR MVP
                                                        • 01-08-08
                                                        • 2950

                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by nflfan2727
                                                        Abe, I'm sorry but you're an absolute moron. This wasn't "merky water", this was more like "you have no clue about how sportsbooks work".

                                                        NFL Fan....please tell me how or why you dug up a 3 year old thread?
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                                                        • Covy
                                                          SBR MVP
                                                          • 01-13-11
                                                          • 1433

                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by nflfan2727
                                                          Abe, I'm sorry but you're an absolute moron. This wasn't "merky water", this was more like "you have no clue about how sportsbooks work".
                                                          2013 join date.

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                                                          [SIZE=2] [FONT=Arial]Listen, they only make movies about winners - and that's me![/FONT]
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                                                          • BrickJames
                                                            SBR Hall of Famer
                                                            • 05-05-11
                                                            • 9749

                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by Microphone
                                                            NFL Fan....please tell me how or why you dug up a 3 year old thread?
                                                            Exactly
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