Mathdotcom, After You Commented On My Betonline Thread It Got Deleted

[darkhat]

Glad to see Betonline has time to buy other books but they don't have time to pay players on time..

Sportsbetting.com new ownership pays cheated player

The Sportsbetting.com player filed his confiscation claim with SBR in March of 2011 and has confirmed with SBR that new ownership credited him with $20,000. The BetOnline Group (SBR rating B+) acquired Sportsbetting.com (now .ag) in June. BetOnline tells SBR it is in the process of clearing all delinquent and pending payouts under the old brand. | Read more

[jjgold]

Video coming one of these days

This 15k a mystery

[SBR_John]

jj has informed me that moderator LOU has threatened him that all his posts in this thread will be deleted because LOU claims all BOL players have been paid, and if there are any outstanding payout issues it is because the player has not submitted a complaint to SBR.

FALSE

Complaint submitted: July 5, 12.43PM EST
LOU initial reply, same day:

Thanks for writing. Did you consider requesting it through an alternate method the first time?

Please allow us some time to follow up with management on this dispute.

Best regards,
Lou

I replied to his bizarre query July 5. After that, complete silence.

July 12: I followed up with LOU via email. No reply
July 20: I followed up with LOU via email. No reply.

I then went public. So LOU, what do you have to say about this?

Mathy,
I just checked into this. You keep saying BOL but your issue is with LowVig. It's a book we don't even rate because it's a white label. It's a different ownership group. It's similar to how sportsbook.com provides its platform to a dozen different books but those white labels are not owned by sportsbook.com.

I will make a call but as I said earlier we have no idea who those guys are. You really should avoid those type of situations in the future.

[mathdotcom]

That's rather convenient for BOL to claim different ownership, when obviously they are under the same company somehow. I received e-mails from BOL promoting Lowvig and suggested I consider playing with them since they offered reduced juice.

SBR has ratings for white labels from other groups, including Sportsbook.com brands, AND SBR intervenes on no pay issues with those books. How is this situation different?

But anyhow any help would be appreciated John, these funds have been in limbo for months.

[SBR_John]

That's rather convenient for BOL to claim different ownership, when obviously they are under the same company somehow. I received e-mails from BOL promoting Lowvig and suggested I consider playing with them since they offered reduced juice.

SBR has ratings for white labels from other groups, including Sportsbook.com brands, AND SBR intervenes on no pay issues with those books. How is this situation different?

But anyhow any help would be appreciated John, these funds have been in limbo for months.

I'm glad to try and help. Yes we list white labels and we will list this one eventually. But as I said, we know nothing about them. Sometimes a white label can be rated higher and sometimes much lower. They are a "white label" because they rent the sportsbook platform but have different owners. It seems a little odd you kept referring to BOL when all along it was LowVig. But I guess you knew or suspected you were on thin ice with a white label and had a better chance getting paid from BOL. Can't blame you for that but have certainly caused a lot of unnecessary clutter on the board.

[broadway6]

Low vig? Saloon time

[shari91]

Video coming one of these days

This 15k a mystery

Make sure you call the correct book this time

[SBR_John]

Give me a couple of days. I dislike these types. I have asked Bill to get involved and in the unlikely event he is unsuccessful I will take the case.

[firedawg]

Make sure you call the correct book this time

[jjgold]

Shari your clueless

It's all the Same family of books

Betonline
LowVig

Others all the same

They are stiff books

I advise all SBR players to pull your money out or just do not play there

[shari91]

Shari your clueless

It's all the Same family of books

Betonline
LowVig

Others all the same

They are stiff books

I advise all SBR players to pull your money out or just do not play there

No, you're clueless. Like I said in another thread: If Centrebet owed you cash would you be calling up Sportingbet? And whose name would you be trashing on the forum? The book that owes you or the book that you *think* owns the other?

[mighty maron]

That's rather convenient for BOL to claim different ownership, when obviously they are under the same company somehow. I received e-mails from BOL promoting Lowvig and suggested I consider playing with them since they offered reduced juice.

SBR has ratings for white labels from other groups, including Sportsbook.com brands, AND SBR intervenes on no pay issues with those books. How is this situation different?

But anyhow any help would be appreciated John, these funds have been in limbo for months.

Please post that email from BOL promoting lowVig

[jjgold]

It's all the same

Mathdotcom is making SBR look like Fukkin fools

Stick to the liquor
Let me stick to getting guys paid

Lou turned his head
It's ashame

Mathy gets ignored

All documented

[mighty maron]

No, you're clueless. Like I said in another thread: If Centrebet owed you cash would you be calling up Sportingbet? And whose name would you be trashing on the forum? The book that owes you or the book that you *think* owns the other?

What if mathdotcom can post the emails from BOL promoting Lowvig and saying to go there because of reduced juice...would that be akin to thegreek for professionals and Betjam for casual bettors?

[shari91]

What if mathdotcom can post the emails from BOL promoting Lowvig and saying to go there because of reduced juice...would that be akin to thegreek for professionals and Betjam for casual bettors?

Those emails aren't secret maron. They were posted on here ages ago - well before BOL had any processing issues. People were asking SBR to rate LowVig and Bill and John kept saying the same answer as John did in here. You're not uncovering some deep dark mystery here.

[jjgold]

Lou lied to me in a pm

He said Mathy never filed a complaint

Stiff book

Nobody playboy there

4-5 months waiting for 15k

Let walker handle this as it will he done not incompetent fuks

[Kindred]

If lowvig is a white label why in the world would BOL send emails promoting lowvig to it's own customers?

I never received an email from BOL concerning lowvig just going by what I've read on these forums and lots of claims the email was sent from BOL promoting lowvig. If it's a whilte label and BOL sent emails to promote them something doesn't add up.

[jjgold]

Kindred your right

It's a Fukkin scam

[gauchojake]

Lou lied to me in a pm

He said Mathy never filed a complaint

Stiff book

Nobody playboy there

4-5 months waiting for 15k

Let walker handle this as it will he done not incompetent fuks

Its like 6 moths now

[jjgold]

Keep pressure on men

Walker needs to get involved

It's too big for mods to handle

[shari91]

If lowvig is a white label why in the world would BOL send emails promoting lowvig to it's own customers?

I never received an email from BOL concerning lowvig just going by what I've read on these forums and lots of claims the email was sent from BOL promoting lowvig. If it's a whilte label and BOL sent emails to promote them something doesn't add up.

Only part I know is the same that any other poster would from reading the forum: The marketing emails went out to BOL customers who used to have reduced juice so maybe that's why you didn't get one? Not sure. Bill also said in a LowVig thread that BOL confirmed they are not financially backing LowVig so again, I don't see how calling them to try to get Mathy paid is going to work. Either way, Mathy deserves his cash even though he says it's not about the money and I believe him on that. No one should have to wait since April for a payout regardless of where it's from.

[jjgold]

They are all the same

SBR being duped

It's a shame

[hawley]

This poster has been waiting for his 15k for at least 7 moths

[SBR_John]

If lowvig is a white label why in the world would BOL send emails promoting lowvig to it's own customers?

I never received an email from BOL concerning lowvig just going by what I've read on these forums and lots of claims the email was sent from BOL promoting lowvig. If it's a whilte label and BOL sent emails to promote them something doesn't add up.

If someone wants to post the email we can all have a look. That's one of the reasons I dislike these kind of arrangements. The White Labeler many times negotiates to mail the DB or mention the white labelee or some other cross marketing arrangement. When you try to contact the book the ownership is not even in the same country as the book as appears to be the case here. It makes resolving disputes very difficult. That's why SBR doesn't even have a Lowvig link anywhere on the site. We want nothing to do with these...looks we got one anyway.

[hawley]

Glad walker is involved

Lou was in over his head here

[shari91]

The emails were posted back in December. I'll see if I can find them if no one else still has one.

[mighty maron]

If someone wants to post the email we can all have a look. That's one of the reasons I dislike these kind of arrangements. The White Labeler many times negotiates to mail the DB or mention the white labelee or some other cross marketing arrangement. When you try to contact the book the ownership is not even in the same country as the book as appears to be the case here. It makes resolving disputes very difficult. That's why SBR doesn't even have a Lowvig link anywhere on the site. We want nothing to do with these...looks we got one anyway.

A highly SBR rated book sends email saying hey heres this site that caters to reduced juice. No transfer fees...... The only reasonable reasons to transfer customers away from your book if you dont own the other book are.....

1. The customers transfered are winners/sharp or take advantage of the reduced juice...we dont want their action anymore
2. Second company paid first company for a portion of their clients for a one time upfront fee
3. Conspiracy theory .... Company A sets up Company B....transfers X amount of clients with Z amount of funds. This is a safety net...if company a (which is company A and B) ever gets in fiancial straights then Company B can stiff people saving money(sort of a golden parachute. Company A says its a different company dont bother us. SBR doesnt rate company B..... Well played

Why would BOL ship customers to a different company without an incentive......

[shari91]

"When you joined BetOnline back in the day, you wisely chose our “reduced juice” pricing option over our big bonuses. You’ll be briefly disappointed to hear then that we are discontinuing that option in the new year….

But you can still enjoy reduced juice action—and high limits—at the new LowVig.com. LowVig.com offers “simply better value” across the board: low-juice every day on every sport, rebates on horse racing, rebates on casino action, even rakeback on poker. Paid in cash. Every day.

The user interface and offering may look familiar—that’s provided by us. And while LowVig.com is a separate company, we know these guys, and trust them. So we’ll completely guarantee your funds at LowVig.com.

In fact we’ll take it a step further: do a book to book transfer from BetOnline to LowVig.com before midnight, January 1, 2012, and there will be NO fees for the transfer.* So your low-juice action can continue uninterrupted.

LowVig.com will also do book-to-book transfers from Bookmaker, BetCRIS, Legends, BetDSI and 5Dimes.

You can keep your BetOnline account open, of course; we hope you do! But with our ending the reduced juice lines on NFL and NCAA and NBA, we knew you’d want to know about this great new option for players who care about value.

Good luck!"

[jjgold]

Let's stop avoiding the15k Mathy is owed

[hawley]

Unreal

[SBR_John]

08/24/2012 03:45 PM CST
LowVig SBR initiates rating coverage at D-

https://www.sportsbookreview.com

Guys, stay the fuk away from these kind of books! Use your heads.

[mathdotcom]

Shari please watch the jjgold BetOnline video again with a pencil in your hand and keep track of the number of times the BetOnline rep, after being given a lowvig account number, says the word 'we' referring to lowvig and betonline jointly. Why would a BOL rep speak in this manner if all they share is betting software? jj edited out the account number but he will verify it is a lowvig account. Shari did you even watch the video? They are obviously more connected than you'd like to believe. Also, I am sure jj would really appreciate it if you give him lowvig's phone number. You won't find one. Clearly he made the right choice in calling BetOnline.

Anyways, I submitted a payout complaint quietly to SBR on July 5. Apparently Lou thought the issue magically resolved itself even though I followed up with him for two weeks straight asking for a status update. I tried to resolve this quietly behind closed doors but when SBR (or at least Lou) was non-responsive I chose to go public. You can debate BOL's exact relationship with LowVig but it is obviously more than 'white label' status.

Now I am very pleased to see that Bill/John are making some phone calls. I don't see why you have to create another one of your dramas discussing sportsbook issues. Somehow I don't think you were hired for your industry knowledge.

[acl123]

08/24/2012 03:45 PM CST
LowVig SBR initiates rating coverage at D-

www.sportsbookreview.com

Guys, stay the fuk away from these kind of books! Use your heads.

[shari91]

Shari please watch the jjgold BetOnline video again with a pencil in your hand and keep track of the number of times the BetOnline rep, after being given a lowvig account number, says the word 'we' referring to lowvig and betonline jointly. Why would a BOL rep speak in this manner if all they share is betting software? jj edited out the account number but he will verify it is a lowvig account. Shari did you even watch the video? They are obviously more connected than you'd like to believe. Also, I am sure jj would really appreciate it if you give him lowvig's phone number. You won't find one. Clearly he made the right choice in calling BetOnline.

Anyways, I submitted a payout complaint quietly to SBR on July 5. Apparently Lou thought the issue magically resolved itself even though I followed up with him for two weeks straight asking for a status update. I tried to resolve this quietly behind closed doors but when SBR (or at least Lou) was non-responsive I chose to go public. You can debate BOL's exact relationship with LowVig but it is obviously more than 'white label' status.

Now I am very pleased to see that Bill/John are making some phone calls. I don't see why you have to create another one of your dramas discussing sportsbook issues. Somehow I don't think you were hired for your industry knowledge.

Why are you getting snarky again? I want you to get paid and am just as curious as anyone else following this to find out what the f is going on. I watched JJ's video twice. I'd take your advice to watch it again but twice is more than enough. Anyway, GL with it all. Hopefully Bill and John can get you your cash soon.

[Chi_archie]

Shari please watch the jjgold BetOnline video again with a pencil in your hand and keep track of the number of times the BetOnline rep, after being given a lowvig account number, says the word 'we' referring to lowvig and betonline jointly.

WE.....