How do you play this poker hand and what's your reasoning?

[robzilla]

No one mentioned it so I'll ask a follow up;

Personally I tend to think fold is the play because I'm worried about a possible reraise from either the small or the big or even a big push in from 1st base. There is no guarantee I'm gonna see the flop for $16. For you guys who said call, do you worry about a big reraise from small, big or first?

Seeing cheap flops wont make you a WSOP winner. The pros see flops with garbage hands and hope they hold up.

[Emily_Haines]

LOL Are you kidding???????????

You go all in!!!!!!!!!!!!

[iifold]

No one mentioned it so I'll ask a follow up;

Personally I tend to think fold is the play because I'm worried about a possible reraise from either the small or the big or even a big push in from 1st base. There is no guarantee I'm gonna see the flop for $16. For you guys who said call, do you worry about a big reraise from small, big or first?

It's possible we get hit by a fukkin comet tomorrow too John...

Pull yourself together...

Unreal

[CanuckG]

Seeing cheap flops wont make you a WSOP winner. The pros see flops with garbage hands and hope they hold up.

[Grits n' Gravy]

No one mentioned it so I'll ask a follow up;

Personally I tend to think fold is the play because I'm worried about a possible reraise from either the small or the big or even a big push in from 1st base. There is no guarantee I'm gonna see the flop for $16. For you guys who said call, do you worry about a big reraise from small, big or first?

If it is a live game I play it out with no worries of reraise. If I lose I can always put a gun on the winners outside the casino and get my money back along with their winnings.

[CanuckG]

Then why are you folding? Maybe if you are playing with super nits.

I guess you have to calculate your implied odds if to call or not then jam it in there on any big draw.

Well that's the thing we dont know who John is playing as he doesn't mention anything else.

[k13]

SBR John can't fold ten's with four all-ins in front of him.....

[mynameismud]

you could play it 2 ways imo. muck it, or call the $16 and hope you hit the flop...which you could easily still be beat.

[konck]

No one mentioned it so I'll ask a follow up;

Personally I tend to think fold is the play because I'm worried about a possible reraise from either the small or the big or even a big push in from 1st base. There is no guarantee I'm gonna see the flop for $16. For you guys who said call, do you worry about a big reraise from small, big or first?

You actually won a few tournies?????? The call is ok when on the button you figure with a nice raise the blinds are most likely to fold and hope at least 1 calls for value which probably happens. If the blind reraises
you can fold losing 16 doesnt destroy you. You can even size up the pot odds on a reraise since the action more than likell will be complete coming back to you

[lunchbawks]

You are sitting at a 10 chair ring game, all seats full. Its a 2/4 table.

Your position is the seat just before the small blind.

Your hand is King Queen suited.

Player 1 calls $4, player 2 also calls $4. 3,4,5 fold. Player 6 raises to $16. Pkayer 7 calls $16

Now its your turn. Do you call basically knowing at least 1 player has an Ace and another may have a pair?? Or throw them away?

i insta fold here. beware of early position caller, and obviously the raiser has 88+

[SBR_John]

You actually won a few tournies??????

Blind luck.

SBR John can't fold ten's with four all-ins in front of him.....

Not sure whats stranger, me playing the hand that way are you remembering.

I like the $16 call and fold if anyone pushes. Its a hand that can be pretty profitable if it catches on the flop.

[Kaladarus]

All advice here is really bad. Why is anyone talking about implied odds and pots odds when there has been no mention of stack sizes?

To get good advice here you need to give out a lot more information. If you don't have a lot of information then post what you know when trying to figure out how to play a hand.

What are the stack sizes at your table? What is your stack size? Is the raiser playing very aggressive? Is the caller playing most of his hands? Have the limpers been limping in often and if they have, have they been reraising after a limp? If either of the limpers are very short stacked they can easily just push all in.

Your stack size is the most important here because most likely at least 2 people will have similar stacks. Without knowing much about the hand and assuming you have a decent size stack I think in most cases a call here is probably going to be your best play. If you don't think any of the limpers will shove or reraise and the player that raised has a decent stack you can easily get a good flop. A KKx, QQx, KQx, JTx or 2 spades can easily have you jamming after a continuation bet on the flop or slow playing with trips or 2 pair on a dry board. You can also get lucky and hit the nuts. Kxx and Qxx will have you laying down your hand in some cases.

If you have no other information to go on though you have to at least consider stack sizes.

[TheCentaur]

Are you playing the 7 2 game within a game that's sweeping SBR Poker? If so its an easy call.

[CanuckG]

All advice here is really bad. Why is anyone talking about implied odds and pots odds when there has been no mention of stack sizes?

To get good advice here you need to give out a lot more information. If you don't have a lot of information then post what you know when trying to figure out how to play a hand.

What are the stack sizes at your table? What is your stack size? Is the raiser playing very aggressive? Is the caller playing most of his hands? Have the limpers been limping in often and if they have, have they been reraising after a limp? If either of the limpers are very short stacked they can easily just push all in.

Your stack size is the most important here because most likely at least 2 people will have similar stacks. Without knowing much about the hand and assuming you have a decent size stack I think in most cases a call here is probably going to be your best play. If you don't think any of the limpers will shove or reraise and the player that raised has a decent stack you can easily get a good flop. A KKx, QQx, KQx, JTx or 2 spades can easily have you jamming after a continuation bet on the flop or slow playing with trips or 2 pair on a dry board. You can also get lucky and hit the nuts. Kxx and Qxx will have you laying down your hand in some cases.

If you have no other information to go on though you have to at least consider stack sizes.

We already asked all that....you think John even remembers the answer...?

[HeeeHAWWWW]

I'd go all-in.

Then again, that's my answer to any poker question.

[QuantumLeap]

i insta fold here. beware of early position caller, and obviously the raiser has 88+

Beat me to it. Smells like someone is limping a good hand.

[BennyBigNuts]

This has to be the worst group of poker players ever witnessed in a forum of all-time.
First of all, it's homo to even ask what you should do with a hand like that.
Poker is all feel and all reads, especially in cash games online.
There is no correct play folding or calling or even raising. It's all based on stack sizes, implied odds, and how big of a tool the player raising and flat-calling are.
Your hand is irrelevant. You can button call anything vs anyone who plays aggressive. You can fold anything vs a rock OR you can call anything vs. a rock knowing he has big hands and is gonna pay you off if you outflop him. You just have to be able to make the right decisions in hands and not go broke just because you have a pair or even better than that depending on the situation.
You're always playing the player, never your cards. Plain n simple. Of course cards assist you but until you realize it's about your surroundings and not whats in your hand, you'll never profit a penny in the game of poker overall.

[YorkHunt]

Depends what your stack is at

[SBR_John]

This has to be the worst group of poker players ever witnessed in a forum of all-time.
First of all, it's homo to even ask what you should do with a hand like that.
Poker is all feel and all reads, especially in cash games online.
There is no correct play folding or calling or even raising. It's all based on stack sizes, implied odds, and how big of a tool the player raising and flat-calling are.
Your hand is irrelevant. You can button call anything vs anyone who plays aggressive. You can fold anything vs a rock OR you can call anything vs. a rock knowing he has big hands and is gonna pay you off if you outflop him. You just have to be able to make the right decisions in hands and not go broke just because you have a pair or even better than that depending on the situation.
You're always playing the player, never your cards. Plain n simple. Of course cards assist you but until you realize it's about your surroundings and not whats in your hand, you'll never profit a penny in the game of poker overall.

Good post...cept for the we are tools part.

I think when we are talking about hypothetical hands everyone realizes there are many important factors that are not part of the hypothetical. It's just a general discussion on the hand, position and strategy.

[borednaz]

Your wrong there, If was the BB and saw a Raise (Steal Attempt) and a flat (Low PP or Trap AA/KK/QQ) , followed by another flat I'm calling. Pot odds here are huge.

[The Giant]

Your position is the seat just before the small blind.

This is why I lick my chops every time John sits down at the table.

The seat just before the small blind.

[Kaabee]

on the button. top ten starting hand. one raise. obviously we are folding.

[NYSportsGuy210]

You are sitting at a 10 chair ring game, all seats full. Its a 2/4 table.

Your position is the seat just before the small blind.

Your hand is King Queen suited.

Player 1 calls $4, player 2 also calls $4. 3,4,5 fold. Player 6 raises to $16. Pkayer 7 calls $16

Now its your turn. Do you call basically knowing at least 1 player has an Ace and another may have a pair?? Or throw them away?

Either raise to double the previous bet or smooth call. Personally I like to smooth call and see 2 spades on the flop. Since you have great position and are basically the dealer button you might also consider raising it 3x the amount just to see who really has a hand and who is raising with mediocre pair (pocket 4's or something or with Ace-rag).

Most of those guys will fold for three times the largest raise out there. Then again if you like to trap and see a flop and /or are low in chips you either shove all in or smooth call and set a trap after seeing the flop.

[Ez Money 77]

Either raise to double the previous bet or smooth call. Personally I like to smooth call and see 2 spades on the flop. Since you have great position and are basically the dealer button you might also consider raising it 3x the amount just to see who really has a hand and who is raising with mediocre pair (pocket 4's or something or with Ace-rag).

Most of those guys will fold for three times the largest raise out there. Then again if you like to trap and see a flop and /or are low in chips you either shove all in or smooth call and set a trap after seeing the flop.

LOL @ this entire response.

Is this Tom Dwan?

[CanuckG]

LOL @ this entire response.

Is this Tom Dwan?

Probably trolling.

[tatddy]

Depends. If you're SBR john you call because obviously someone has Ax of the same suit and obviously you will end up with a straight flush beating their nut flush. If you're not SBR john then no comment.

[thetrinity]

this has to be a call everytime, i dont see how it could be anything else if you are sitting with a standard cash stack (~100bb). if you call pretty safe to assume that the 2 limpers will play with the great pot odds and now u r getting over 5-1 on the button 5 way. you could make a case for 3 betting here even, but i think a call is better. folding because u are worried the small or big blind is going to make a 3 bet is playing scared for lack of a better word, they will never repop it unless they are completely loaded being outta position.

[byronbb]

ha ha this thread is funny. This is an AUTO fold unless raiser can be made to fold to a re raise.

[will2survive]

You are sitting at a 10 chair ring game, all seats full. Its a 2/4 table.

Your position is the seat just before the small blind.

Your hand is King Queen suited.

Player 1 calls $4, player 2 also calls $4. 3,4,5 fold. Player 6 raises to $16. Pkayer 7 calls $16

Now its your turn. Do you call basically knowing at least 1 player has an Ace and another may have a pair?? Or throw them away?

John: When I see players being aggressive in that manner, it's an easy fold. You don't want to get involved. You can sense when people are less aggressive and "fishing", so to speak, and that's when you become the aggressive player. It also depends on your stack but I say an easy fold unless you're a loose player that's willing to lose some money, points, chips, etc.

[wantitall4moi]

LMAO this is why poker is easy money.

First off its a 2/4 game which is a total waste of money. But that aside that is an insta fold period end of sentence. Guys that cal with that shit are the guys who had to quit playing years ago because theyre broke already.

[NYSportsGuy210]

LOL @ this entire response.

Is this Tom Dwan?

Lol at my response? It's the best response yet moron. Don't hate cause guys like me felt clowns like you.

[NYSportsGuy210]

ha ha this thread is funny. This is an AUTO fold unless raiser can be made to fold to a re raise.

This is basically what I said and EZ retard has to say it's wrong. Unreal some of the clowns in Players Talk these days.

[thetrinity]

has anyone here ever played cards besides on sbr seriously?

[NYSportsGuy210]

has anyone here ever played cards besides on sbr seriously?

Dude don't ask stupid questions in here. Start a new thread if you want to go off topic.

[thetrinity]

you gotta try and play pots in position end of story, if you arent good enough to get away from flopping top pair, find a new game to play.