westbrook will run circles around nash. this gets the lakers to runner up status in the western conference playoffs. if they get dwight howard they would be the favs in the west.
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who knows..? maybe i am wrong, maybe they'll be great..*
but they will have a prob with speed of OKC. They are still getting better.
Kobe does not really get to the basket enough to benefit from a Nash.
I can tell you Bynum's scoring is about to skyrocket..
so maybe that's good.*
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Let us all wait and see how Kobe will play with Nash. It'd be interesting.Comment -
Getting a year older is a great thing for OKC. Not so much for the Lakers. Now they are talking about adding 39 year-old Grant Hill? OKC is still the team to beat out west. Lakers would have to add Howard to even merit discussion.Comment -
Having Nash is an obviously upgrade. .. but I'm not sure they can still make the finals.Comment -
nash's numbers are not that different from when he was in dallas, something to keep in mind, he will be another year older but you don't see a major drop-off in his #'s especially apg and fg %
But don't take my word for it, look at the numbers yourself, if he had much more relevance or meaningful level of relativity when he was younger why very little difference in the #'s
03-04 in DALLAS
PPG 14.5 FG % 0.470 APG 8.8 T/O's 2.68 MPG 33.5
Almost a decade later
11-12 in PHOENIX
PPG 12.5 FG % 0.532 APG 10.7 T/O's 3.69 MPG 31.6
the only thing that really has changed negatively is Nash's turnover you might say but in all of the seasons Nash has been in PHX, his T/O avg is > 3, the lowest being 3.27 in 04-05 (season after he left DALLAS), so 3.69 is well within what he has averagedComment -
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I posted this would happen on Celtics Blog a week ago.
Things are going to be interesting and the Lakers
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Adding Nash is a big plus. If they can add Grant Hill, that would be a great addition as well. He would give them some offense off the bench. I know these guys are old, but the Lakers are in a "win-now" mentality.
Now the question is what do they do with Bynum and Gasol. Before the Nash trade, they were likely going to deal Gasol or Bynum. After the Nash trade, reports are that they want to keep the team together with Nash.Comment -
I love how people are thinking lakers are dumb for giving up draft picks. There able to get anyone they want from free agency, there a team that doesnt need to rebuild they wanna win now and bringing in Nash helps.Comment -
how?
I want to know how bringing this guy in helps them now. People love posting stats. Stats DONT MEAN JACK SHIT in the NBA. Stats only mean anything is baseball thats it, and even there it is relative as well.
How is bringing this guy in making them a contender? They arent in the same stratosphere as Miami or even OKC still, sure they might be slightly better than they were last year, but if they trade Gasol away they will be worse, unless something happens and they get someone that plays out of his mind for them, but on a team with Kobe Bryant on it that isnt going to happen.
Unless Nash comes in and instantly bypasses Kobe and goes right to the big men 75% of the time this team wont be any better than they were this past year, which is better than I thought they would be but other teams are much better also so it all evens out I suppose. But you know around game 10 or 11 Kobe will start bringing the ball up and jacking up his stupid circus shots and Lakers will just collapse like they always do. I doubt Nash has the stones to put kobe in his place so it will be just like it has always been.
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Funny to see all these posts about feeding Bynum.
Bynum is the biggest joke All-Star starter in the past 25 years. He's a terrible passer, he can't play 1 on 1 defense, and he has a low basketball IQ. If they fed the ball to Bynum 60% of the time the Lakers would be a mediocre team.Cause Sleep is the Cousin of DeathComment -
gonna be interesting how they integrate nash within their offense.
is he going to be allowed to make plays or is he playing off of kobe??
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Some of you have not one clue. As i said in the other thread Nash will make Bynum the most dominate big man in the league we have seen in last 10 years by getting him the ball in easy positions to finisb at the rim plus given his natural talents. Not to mention he will raise gasols game as well. Kobe is not stupid he knows hes old and cant let 28 shots a game up hell let nash do his thing. And for those saying no defense is just so dumb. The lakers already won 4 titles with no defense at the pg positionComment -
i dunno what do you think a pg is suppose to contribute when he goes to a team, run plays so others can shoot the rock? nash loves to pass, kobe loves to shoot, could complement each other. Weren't you the one who predicted lakers will be lottery team? ~sub .500
so how do people compare player A from player B without looking at the stats they average per season? oh wait if you don't compare stats you must be comparing intangibles.
nash doesn't appear to be declining like fisher
2003-2004 in DALLAS
PPG 14.5 FG % 0.470 APG 8.8 T/O's 2.68 MPG 33.5
Almost a decade later
2011-2012 in PHOENIX
PPG 12.5 FG % 0.532 APG 10.7 T/O's 3.69 MPG 31.6
the only thing that really has changed negatively is Nash's turnover you might say but in all of the seasons Nash has been in PHX, his T/O avg is > 3, the lowest being 3.27 in 04-05 (season after he left DALLAS), so 3.69 is well within what he has averagedComment -
lol... i was not being serious... Nash tremendous passer, but...OKC TOO FAST
Westbrook, Durant, Harden all get basket-to-basket under 3 seconds..
there is not a single Laker that can do that
i do not think that Lakers can get by a more experienced, hungrier, better OKC after losing in just 5
Nash maybe makes it a 6 games loss. that's it*
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also, Kobe is going to shoot UNDER 40% next year.... no way to win
with a guy shooting 25-30 times a game, and only hitting 30-something %
Kobe will shoot the Lakers dead next year. watch
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wishful thinking buddy kobe managed to shoot 43% for the season and now he has a tremendous passer on the team.
nash had a impressive streak fairly recently come to an end, ended this season or last season
"Wilt Chamberlain (1959-60 through ’65-66) and Michael Jordan (’86-87 through ’92-93) each led the league in scoring for seven straight seasons. But those runs at the top of the league aren’t as impressive as the run that Steve Nash had been on.
For nine straight seasons — three in Dallas and six in Phoenix — Nash has led the No. 1 offense in the league. Even in 2005-06, when Amar’e Stoudemire missed 79 games, the Suns ranked first in offensive efficiency. And even in 2008-09, when the Suns’ offense was supposedly bogged down by Shaquille O’Neal, they ranked No. 1 in offensive efficiency.
This season, though, Nash’s run at the top of the offensive rankings has come to an end. With one game to play, the Suns rank ninth offensively, scoring 107.0 points per 100 possessions. This season’s No. 1 offense will either be the San Antonio Spurs (109.55 through Monday) or the Denver Nuggets (109.52).
But instead of lamenting how the Suns have fallen off this season, we’d rather marvel at how remarkable Nash’s last nine seasons were.
The run began in Nash’s second season as the full-time starter in Dallas. Nash has not only led the No. 1 offensive team each season, but he’s led the five best offenses of the last 20 years (when you compare the team’s efficiency with the league average)."
Steve Nash’s team offensive efficiency, seasons as a full-time starter
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Teams Nash plays on offensive efficiency SEEM TO GO UP not down. Kobe loves to shoot, Nash loves to pass, this is not like where Kobe wanted the ball and Shaq wants the ball at the same time.Comment -
at least the Lakers, like Boston and New York, had to trade to get him rather than the players make a televised show called the decision.Comment -
Ratzz doesn't understand the game. Bryant will shoot under 40%? Bryant is the second best scorer in the league without question. It was Gasol and Bynum that folded up shop in the playoffs. Rewatch the games chief.
You constantly disrespect Bryant. He is one of the 5 greatest players ever to play the game. It doesn't matter if you shoot 43%. All that matters is POINTS PER SHOT ATTEMPT. Gamblers do not know this.
Bryant's been seeing double teams his whole career. The guy has the best midrange game in the history of basketball. If you don't understand how explosive this team will be in a half court set then you will never be able to see.
Didn't you keep telling me OKC was gonna beat MIA and when I broke it down for you, you were still skeptical. OKC has no half-court offense. You can't win playing that up-tempo all the time and then ISOLATION when you get to half court sets.
The Lakers will dominate the half court with two 7 footers, the best sg in the game, and one of the best passers ever to play the game (and still top 3 in the nba today)Cause Sleep is the Cousin of DeathComment -
they still have no bench whatsoever (probably worse than last years version) and they will more than likely not play the type of defense they played this past season, THAT was the only reason the team had the wins it had, and why they covered less than 40% of their games.
There are also no guarantees Gasol will be back either, I would say it is still 50/50 he is gone. Lakers just waiting to see who is desperate enough to maybe give away the house for him once all these big time deals get done.
But when all is said and done miami just got a lot better with a simple signing of another old guy. Because he hasnt lost the only real skill he has always had the ability to stand on the 3 point line and shoot 45%. So even if Nash made Lakers half as good as guys in this thread think they still arent even close to being as good as Miami. I was and still am not a Miami jock sniffer but they played well and got it together when it mattered, and they just got quite a bit better, not because of what Allen is but what he does. While Nash can be an impact player still from a passing stand point the lakers just dont have that make up. like I said Kobe will get tired of not getting the ball within 6 or 7 games (assuming nash does the 'right' thing and feeds whatever big they have left)
I predict lakers get off to a good start then the stupidity abounds and by Christmas people will be talking about 'what happened to the Lakers?'. But even if they do win 47 or 48 games they still arent close to being able to challenge for a title. I dont thik they could make any move at this point that would get them that much better. Other than trading Kobe and getting a couple legit all star quality guys, which isnt going to happen either.Comment -
bryant a old ballhog. will suffocate nash with his selfishness and heroball. hes missing his lift lately.Comment -
Lakers have a point guard who can finally hit a shot. As a Lakers fan how could you not like this trade. Their point guards have been their weakness for so many years that it is embarrassing. Fisher should have been out of the league 5 years ago. Session is a decent backup. If Nash is in shape this upgrades the position ten fold. Nash is always in shape. U now have 4 guys who can play defense on the floor so u don't need Nash to be a defensive stopper. Well maybe three and a half. Gasol gives u an effort one out of two games. Same with the big center so maybe three guys on the floor.Comment -
How does he help?? are you serious?? This is the best point guard the Lakers have seen since Shaq left bar none. Arguably the best pick & roll point guard in the league & now has Gasol to work with in that department. A deadly spot UP shooter. One of the best free-throw shooters in the history of the game. Second in the league in assist @ the age of 37. One of the smartest & highest basketball IQ guys the league has ever seen. Floor leader, locker room leader, clutch shooter, fiercely competitive.....the list goes on & on & you're asking how he helps now?? Do you even watch what's going on out there?? Should the Lakers go with Sessions instead How bout Blake considering the options out there who do you suggest they go with??
if this moves makes them slightly better than last yr like you say I guess that means they'll be the 2nd best team in the West rather than the 3rd. Is there anything wrong w/ being the 2nd best team in the conference
13 out of 15 teams can only wish to be the 2nd best team in the conference. Last yr you predicted lottery for the Lakers then changed tune hoping they would win enough games to get a later worthless draft pick. Now you're saying why would the Lakers trade away those same worthless draft picks for one of the best point guards of all-time that gives them a chance to win now?? And how is it that the Lakers will "collapse like they always do" In case you haven't been watching the Lakers have won 2 of the last 4 & 5 of the last 12 Championships. Yes I hope they continue to "collapse like they always do."
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A lot of foolish comments in this thread. Anyone that knows anything about Nash knows how much work he puts into conditioning and the results of that dedication have been apparent, year after year. He's going to be a highly productive Laker, and is a great pickup for LA, addressing their biggest roster problem. Nash running the pick and roll with that frontline is going to be DEADLY.
That being said, the "genius" aspect of picking up a HOF free agent at the PG position is a bit much. He's hardly an unknown commodity... So it's a great pickup for the Lakers, but let's just call it good management, not genius.Comment -
i find it very interesting the kobe/laker fans have nothing to say about a rival joining forces with kobe
i bet a ton of them said kobe would never do wat lebron did in playing with an opponent
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JR Nash didn't deserve the MVP that year. The whole league knows Bryant didn't get it because of the rape trial. He had one of the best seasons in the modern era of basketball. 4 50+ point games in a row. Wow.
Lebron teamed up with a top 5 player in the world. Nash is no where near that level bro.Cause Sleep is the Cousin of DeathComment -
the difference is lebron left his team to go somewhere else (kobe has stayed put), lebron went the length to host a unprecedented "Decision" (not all bad of course because it was charity as well) the closest kobe has to this is saying he's going to bolt unless lakers fo get him some help because smush parker, kwame brown, vujaicic aren't cutting it. Shortly afterward gasol is acquired.
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kobe demanded to be traded, he wasnt a FA. so kobe wasnt "bolting" anywhere
the point i was making was that people were shitting on lebron for joining forces with this friends
but kobe is actually joining forces with a division rival, who knocked him out the playoffs and stole his mvp
i dont really think its a big deal at all, i didnt think "lebrons super friends" were either
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