Betislands cash back today!

BigDaddy · 07-01-12, 12:35 PM

yep

good day for cash back

now just need to pick some winners

big joe 1212 · 07-01-12, 01:10 PM

I thought this was based on your net losses for the month?

They won't give it to me cause I withdrew $400 and only deposited $200 this past month, even though I'm down net $263. (started the month with a $463 balance)

Anyone see the rule for this on the website? I don't see it. Only thing I see is net losses.

Cuse0323 · 07-01-12, 01:29 PM

Good looks, forgot I deposited earlier in June.

baskets · 07-01-12, 01:30 PM

never really followed this

is this automatic or do we have to ask?

Cuse0323 · 07-01-12, 01:37 PM

Originally posted by baskets

never really followed this

is this automatic or do we have to ask?

Gotta e-mail them, this could save me. I need some winners, gotta pay me rent thought I would be late but if I can build it up a bit and cash out tomorrow.

djefferis · 07-01-12, 03:28 PM

Originally posted by big joe 1212

I thought this was based on your net losses for the month?

They won't give it to me cause I withdrew $400 and only deposited $200 this past month, even though I'm down net $263. (started the month with a $463 balance)

Anyone see the rule for this on the website? I don't see it. Only thing I see is net losses.

Same line of BS they fed me, your a "winner" in their eyes..hate to say it, but warning signs are there

big joe 1212 · 07-01-12, 03:39 PM

Originally posted by djefferis

Same line of BS they fed me, your a "winner" in their eyes..hate to say it, but warning signs are there

Seems like they can twist the rule whichever way they like. I don't care how they want to make their rules, but they should at least post a clear rule and stick to it to clear up all confusion

MendozaLine · 07-01-12, 04:16 PM

Bless you for the reminder Smoke.

Smoke, getting 45 dollars put into my account.

All in on a 6 team MLB parlay tomorrow

GamblerSpirit · 07-01-12, 05:14 PM

I just emailed them...I have won more than I lost, wonder if they will offer it to me.

ZetaPsi808 · 07-01-12, 05:54 PM

Originally posted by MendozaLine

Bless you for the reminder Smoke.

Smoke, getting 45 dollars put into my account.

All in on a 6 team MLB parlay tomorrow

Smoke · 07-01-12, 05:59 PM

Zeta text me bakk

borednaz · 07-01-12, 06:02 PM

Did exactly this. Took my rebate put it on a 5 teamer & now I'm up $147 from where I started last month. God bless rebates.

wtt0315 · 07-01-12, 06:22 PM

I took my 5 dollars and did this

GameDate	User/Phone	Date Placed	Sport	Description	Risk/Win
Ticket#:219471 Jul 01 01:10 PM Jul 01 02:10 PM Jul 01 01:35 PM Jul 01 02:05 PM Jul 01 04:10 PM	Internet / -1	Jul 01 10:57 AM	MLB MLB MLB MLB MLB	PARLAY (5 TEAMS) [952] MARLINS (MIA) -1½+170 ( J BLANTON -R / R NOLASCO -R ) [956] BREWERS (MIL) -142 ( ACTION ) [967] INDIANS (CLE) -1½+140 ( J MASTERSN -R / B MATUSZ -L ) [972] YANKEES (NY) -155 ( ACTION ) [977] RED SOX (BOS) -127 ( ACTION ) Come on boston	5 / 157

Cuse0323 · 07-01-12, 06:24 PM

Put mine on the Giants so of course they can't close it out in the 9th.

robmpink · 07-01-12, 07:07 PM

Originally posted by big joe 1212

I thought this was based on your net losses for the month?

They won't give it to me cause I withdrew $400 and only deposited $200 this past month, even though I'm down net $263. (started the month with a $463 balance)

Anyone see the rule for this on the website? I don't see it. Only thing I see is net losses.

Been clarified here for months already.

Cuse0323 · 07-02-12, 07:17 AM

Is there no lines up at BI for anyone else? I can't use the casino either, don't know if they just shut me off or it's an error.

Smoke · 07-02-12, 07:22 AM

Cuse no lines up for me either guey

djefferis · 07-02-12, 08:47 AM

I deposit 500, win 2500 and continue to play over 30 days.

On the 1st of the following month, I have 3000 in my account, free and clear of RO. I could withdraw 3000, instead I play and lose. How does this not represent a NET loss to me in the new month?

NET for the MONTH means just that. Not net lifetime winnings. By their logic, if I ever won, I'd never be paid the rebate.

Sorry, but Jon and BI need to get their game plan in order and follow it.

First, you pull overnight lines. Second, you pull dimelines back and offer a token 50 freeplay to anyone who complains, now this.

How about you remain a man of your word and not retroactively pull offers. Jon is no dummy and knows this is a cut-throat industry. I can see why they offered this to match others and it didn't pan out like hoped.

Instead of flip-flopping, how about you honor the terms for remainder of current season to existing season and let clients know it will end?

The overnights change is understandable, and was handled fairly, but the lower dimeline was a joke. Here, deposit and ill give you this, OK, now I am raising your prices and your tied to me (if you took a bonus) and even if you didn't, your long term business is worth less to us than an increased big for 4 months of bases.

Now your chasing out LOSERS, sorry..somethings not right here. Jon knows the industry, and logic says you roll at the red carpet to a loser. RW has done it for years, yet Jon pulls the carpet out from under their feet. Either too many sharps are using BI as an ATM (taking advantage of higher limits and 20 percent rebate) or they really feel their client base is too stupid to see these changes are padding bi's profits beyond that of other shops (which I doubt). Either way what's next? I wouldn't stick around to see personally.

Bill Dozer · 07-02-12, 09:08 AM

Originally posted by big joe 1212

I thought this was based on your net losses for the month?

They won't give it to me cause I withdrew $400 and only deposited $200 this past month, even though I'm down net $263. (started the month with a $463 balance)

Anyone see the rule for this on the website? I don't see it. Only thing I see is net losses.

I personally havent read the rule but the rule should trump all and fine print should cover it. If there are no terms, the player needs to get the TOS for the promo.

From a business side, it wouldn't make $ sense to give unconditional rebates per calendar month. A guy could win $10,000 in month 1 and lose $9,000 in month 2 and get $1800 back after beating the house in a 60 day period. A book couldn't survive giving winners cashback. In theory a guy could win 10 months out of 12 and the house could have to give him cashback on the two months he lost a small amount.

BigDaddy · 07-02-12, 09:12 AM

Bill,

a guy could also win 10k in a month

take a payout on the 29th

deposit X amount back into account on the 1st

lose it and get the rebate for that month (so it's the same thing just more steps included.)

under the current way they do it.

deposits - payouts for each month

BestPicks · 07-02-12, 10:02 AM

Anyway, it is DISHONEST if they have a rule in their mind and are afraid of being clearly openly explained to their clients. Please just state the rule with couple examples, instead of Ad with the best and deal each client with different restrictions. We all know dishonest is major problem in the industry.

ttrace35 · 07-02-12, 10:04 AM

Tracer been raping betislands. I feel like I should offer them, cash back.

Betislands · 07-02-12, 10:32 AM

Hi guys,

Hope all is well the rebate is on net losses , please contact me if you had any confusion while requesting it feel free to email me jon@betislands.ag

Clients have always gotten the best treatment possible at Betislands , yet people are always quick to judge the future of a book because of a confusion with a promotion.

We still give great CS , we still are one of the fastest paying books around and this rebate was actually a way to give clients back something during baseball.

I am actually considering changing this to a weekly or bi weekly rebate. I will keep you posted.

Cheers,

JON

Hawkeye2011 · 07-02-12, 10:48 AM

Thanks for the reminder! Got $120 back and am up to 350 after some BJ

Smoke · 07-02-12, 10:53 AM

Originally posted by Hawkeye2011

Thanks for the reminder! Got $120 back and am up to 350 after some BJ

no problem.. Always like to help the brethren when possible

congrats!

djefferis · 07-02-12, 11:05 AM

To Bill D, agree...but aside from BigDaddys point, look at it this way...a Guy hits a huge parlay one week, goes up big and cashes. As a shop owner, are you going to tell him no bonuses again until you become a lifetime loser? Its common place and I guarantee 95% of shops are handing out a bonus to this person to encourage his continued play. Granted maybeye not the next week, but after a month, yes.

There's a big difference between the Guy who gets lucky and the sharp who has a bad month. Some peoples play dictate they not receive these promos, when found let them know this up front so there is no confusion.

Jon - no one doubts your CS. But good CS is just one aspect. Hell, I can go into any number of places and be treated like a king while they drain my wallet. Just because their nice about it doesn't mean they are being fair to me.

Bottom line is this, yes it is a competitive industry, yes you need to have innovative offerings to stand out, but you also need to be clear and stay the course to loyal customers.

If you offer something, keep it for 6 months, not pull it a week after someone signs up. If you say loss rebate, rebate the loss...not use ambiguous terms and then claim the customer misunderstood. It would be wiser to do a smaller return on play rebate to me (like betjm did and heritage does) rather than a weekly-monthly rebate.

Anyone know how 5ds works there rebate program?

Hawkeye2011 · 07-02-12, 12:13 PM

Well this worked out well for me. Got $120 back, cashed out $500 and have $218 in pending bets. Thanks BetIslands!

big joe 1212 · 07-02-12, 02:06 PM

Originally posted by robmpink

Been clarified here for months already.

It would be much easier if they clarified it on their website.

Not everyone trolls the SBR forum on a consistent basis.

Customers shouldn't have to come here for clarity.

BranchDavidian · 07-02-12, 03:46 PM

I am with you Big Joe. According to Jon, the rebate is based upon net losses. I lost about $500 net last month. When I called this morning I was informed that because I have a balance remaining in my account, I am not eligible for a rebate. Once I have lost this remaining balance, then I can ask for a rebate! So, If you deposit $10,000 and lose $9,500, you would not have any net losses and you would not be eligible for the rebate that is advertised as 20% of net losses. I took a smaller bonus than I could have gotten in order to qualify for the rebate --- only to discover that the rebate is not a real rebate. This is not a good situation for BetIslands.

Betislands · 07-02-12, 04:50 PM

Hey guys,

It seems there is confusion about this.

If you started say June 1st with a $1000 balance and come July 1st you have $500 , your losses are $500 that you can claim your 20% rebate on. So clients that deposit and do not lose their full balance can still get a 20% on their losses I do not think that is unfair at all.

If the client is at 0 then obviously to measure net losses you must add deposits vs payouts. We are probably going to offer the rebate weekly since I think that will work out better for the clients and probably easier to understand , we are not trying to pull a fast one on anyone we are not that type of book and I believe clients that have dealt with me and Betislands can confirm this.

If the rebate is an issue we will just then offer it twice a year and continue with larger bonuses.

Cheers,

Jon

taxer · 07-02-12, 04:53 PM

Originally posted by big joe 1212

I thought this was based on your net losses for the month?

They won't give it to me cause I withdrew $400 and only deposited $200 this past month, even though I'm down net $263. (started the month with a $463 balance)

Anyone see the rule for this on the website? I don't see it. Only thing I see is net losses.

I think the rebate is clear , the word net is pretty simple

why would u claim a rebate when even u cashed out more than you depsoited makes no sense at all

eastern2 · 07-02-12, 05:16 PM

is this something that you have to request to get back? Just started playing at BI last week and your guys (been dealing w/Ben) have been very helpful. I'm up so far just curious in the future....

robmpink · 07-02-12, 08:33 PM

Originally posted by big joe 1212

It would be much easier if they clarified it on their website.

Not everyone trolls the SBR forum on a consistent basis.Customers shouldn't have to come here for clarity.

Guy, you seem to log in every day for points. You are telling me you haven't seen this clarified over the past 2 months? Highly doubt it.

MJT1212 · 07-02-12, 08:57 PM

so i just found out you get 20% rebate on net losses MINUS DEPOSIT FEE REIMBURSEMENT, is this what you guys got?

only reason i ask is b/c a red flag popped up to me b/c at first, in chat he quoted my rebate with fee loss as part of my net loss then when he saw i still had a huge balance....the new net loss figure did not include fee loss??? i think he pulled a fast one on me...he was willing to keep it included if i lost my whole deposit, but did not want to when he saw i was still in the game...its not much money but i want to know if you guys got rebate on fee reimbursement loss or if they took the fee reimbursement away from your net loss?