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The sheep will never tire of being controlled by their corporate lackeys.Comment -
Any civilization that doesn't feel that it is imperative to care of it's peoples' health needs is a savage society to begin with. Wouldn't be surprised if ObamaCare gets dismantled entirely.....it's not like this nation is selfless or mature.Comment -
Holy christ. Frogsrangers, are you for real with that 2nd Amendment crap?
The movement to do away with it is about as big as the westboro baptist church. Both are being done by crazed lunatics.
But hey, I will tell you what. You show me proof of one member on the court that is interested in overturning the 2nd Amendment, I will give you 100 points.
Please do not point to the recent decision, because that is painfully retarded.
Seriously, show me proof of a justice who has gone on record in an opinion or otherwise stating they wanted to OVERTURN the second amendment. 100 points.Comment -
Went from 83% to 71.5% now at Intrade.Comment -
Does intrade have some record on SCOTUS rulings? I haven't been able to find one. I mean when they have trades showing one position, issue or candidate will probably win an election I can understand but the SCOTUS so often shocks even long time court scholars I find it hard to imagine how random people trading stocks/positions on a case could be all that accurate.Comment -
Both 5-4 decisions in which 4 justices voted to basically nullify the individual's right to own a firearm
With these two supports, the Breyer dissent goes on to conclude, "there simply is no untouchable constitutional right guaranteed by the Second Amendment to keep loaded handguns in the house in crime-ridden urban areas." It proposes that firearms laws be reviewed by balancing the interests (i.e., "'interest-balancing' approach") of Second Amendment protections against the government's compelling interest of preventing crime.Comment -
I believe you are reading those wrong. More specifically to my point, neither of those opinions has a Justice gone out and said they want to do away with/overturn the 2nd Amendment.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DC_vs._Heller
Both 5-4 decisions in which 4 justices voted to basically nullify the individual's right to own a firearm
Had to deal with this in Con Law, and I remember this specifically. Those two cases are fantastic and are all about a individual's right to own, and more importantly does it extend to the states. Because I don't want to get into some convoluted con law discussion, my point remains. I would love to see someone point out a justice that has publicly stated they want to overturn the 2nd.
This was in respect to your statement, that the court was one crazy liberal away from doing away with the 2nd Amendment all together. I am not asking to show where all 4 state such a strong opinion, just one - anywhere.
Sure, there are hardcore liberals that occupy seats that are out on that ledge asking to do away with it, same as there are wingbats asking to do away with the 14th (probably the single most significant amendment).Comment -
Democrats are talking proposing Medicare for all program if ACA is struck down. Like I said Republicans - be careful what you wish for because you might get it. The mandate was a Republican idea. Republicans turned against it when Democrats started saying it sounded OK.Comment -
"be careful what you wish for because you might get it."
I hope so... I want the US Constitution to be followed. Dont you ??Comment -
I have no insight in what they might do but I am expecting the unexpected.
I also think both sides are reading the possible out comes incorrectly. Both sides seem to think if the court sides with them it's a no brainer win. I disagree. It's and election year... losing might actually help your party more. The get out the vote on the right would go through the roof if the mandate is up held. If the mandate goes down the left will rally. The same thing just sort of happened with Az Im. ruling, the Dems won 3 of 4 of it but lost the biggy. Money started pouring in to the Az Dem party the next day and Dem voter reg. ticked up as well.
The health care issue effects far more people then immigration.Comment -
The democrats have been trying to get socialized medicine passed for over 50 years and the American people continue to come out strongly AGAINST it.
Obama and the democrats stuffing ObamaCare down the throats of the American people who clearly did NOT want it is the main reason why the democrats got THRASHED in the 2010 mid-terms just 2 short years after being given a total mandate at the voting booth in 2008.
Its always a mistake to take anything a liberal democrat says at face value. Only the loony left-wing wants socialized medicine with everyone else strongly against it.Comment -
If you get really sick, would you rather have the current system as it stands (quality healthcare at a high cost) or a government run socialized system where the majority of hospitals will resemble county type clinics.
85%-90% of Americans have some form of medical insurance and very few of these people ever complain about the quality of healthcare they receive. They only complain about the cost of the escalating medical insurance premiums, co-payments/deductibles, etc.
Severely lowering the quality of healthcare to save money is ABSOLUTELY INSANE. I wish there was a way to give all liberal democrats the socialized medical care system they so strongly desire while leaving the current high quality medical care system currently in place for only republicans to use.
This way, the average democratic voter would live many years less than the republican voter.
Wouldn't that be a "win-win" scenario!!!Comment -
Nope .. money from big business has come out against it ... there is less money to be made if a government option passes.
.. and once again you are wrong .. more people want what we have right now .. or legislation that goes further .. than those who want a total repeal and to go back to where we were .. your spin might work for the small minded Right wing nutjobs that you surround yourself with .. but step out of your comfort zone and you will find people who don't agree with you.
If I were to get really sick .. i'd be on the first plane back to the UK ..
There is .. and they have this system in the UK .. though your ignorance and arrogance on the subject do not seem to allow you to admit that people can have views that don;t agree with yours and yet the views they have can also be valid ...
In the UK .. as well as the government run system .. there is also a "private" system .. pay a little extra each month and you can get to see the exact same doctors that will treat you on the government run system ... only you can get an appointment a few days earlier, you can get a private room with cable tv and a choice of meals .. etc etc ...
A government run system working side by side a private system .. not exactly re-inventing the wheel, but it works, and it works very, very well.
Maybe you should try and research the system you so hate so much Mr Wend .. you might actually learn something.Comment -
I hear you, but if that was the case then why would they have heard the case now at all? Pretty insane from a practical standpoint to have spent all the time and work on the case only to say come back to us in 18 months and we'll do it all over again. I don't think that's going to happen.Comment -
I believe some sort of phased-in single payer/'Medicare for all' & merge Medicaid into Medicare is the solution - cannot crash the health Ins industry overnight
Just an idea , not saying it is workable but ---> begin with 'Medicare for all' for prenatal - 18yo (gap) then 55yo Up. Start closing the 'gap' gradually over X number of years.
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Fair enough. I'd be good with pairing that with allowing those in the gap optionally to buy into medicare, regardless of pre-existing conditions. Kind of like the government option.
I believe some sort of phased-in single payer/'Medicare for all' & merge Medicaid into Medicare is the solution - cannot crash the health Ins industry overnight
Just an idea , not saying it is workable but ---> begin with 'Medicare for all' for prenatal - 18yo (gap) then 55yo Up. Start closing the 'gap' gradually over X number of years.Comment -
convick , TRUE Liberals opposed to ObamaBots hate what ObamaCare turned into...Comment -
Anyone know what time the ruling is expected to be announced tomorrow?Comment -
convick, considering you're an admitted "loony leftist", I would guess that you oppose ObamaCare because you don't think it goes far enough.
If you are against socialized medicine in its entirety and want to keep the current medical care system exactly as is, then I'll retract my previous statement.Comment -
Well they're hearing arguments on more then one issue and even if they opt to hear a one issue case, say death penalty, doesn't mean they're going to over rule the lower court. They could easily rule on all issues but the mandate and then punt. Or they could up hold the whole damn thing. On several cases the SCOTUS has sided with Congress and the lower courts, meaning they heard the case but chose not to over turn it. Two cases come to mind- Gonzales vs. Raich and United States v. Comstock the court ruled that congress has the right under the commerce clause to over rule states (medical MJ) and ruled broad interpretation to Congress’s authority to pass legislation that it considers “necessary and proper.” Health care is something like 15-18% of GDP, depending on your source. Maybe they'll consider congresses actions “necessary and proper.”
I still think they over turn at least the mandate but really I wouldn't place money anywhere near this and I still expect something really unexpected. What that is... I have no idea.
We'll out find out soon... then I expect a whole lot of bitching.Comment -
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Tully , the universe is not staticComment
