Durant Could End Up As The Greatest Scorer In The History of The League

[brahmabull117]

This guy's efficiency, shooting touch, height and athleticism combination is one of the most incredible things I've ever watched. As good as Jordan was, he was never this efficient of a scorer. On top of that, he's averaging 28 ppg in the playoffs on less than 19 shots a game. That's nearly 1.50 points per shot (a number that makes Lebron look inefficient)



He's the greatest offensive player I've ever seen

[jjgold]

Good points

The whole team is unstoppable

[brahmabull117]

Good points

The whole team is unstoppable

Durant's true shooting percentage is 64% in the playoffs



64%, holy shit

[jjgold]

I have heard a few so called nba experts say Westbrook is the key to that team

[brahmabull117]

I have heard a few so called nba experts say Westbrook is the key to that team

Probably because Durant is very consistent while westbrook can be wildly inconsistent



If Westbrook plays well, OKC is untouchable

[Ghenghis Kahn]

brama if durant offered you his rooster would you:

a. deep throat it until you gag

b. try to stick it in your asshole without lube

c. get a plaster and make a dildo out of it for eternal worshipping

d. all of the above

[byronbb]

This guy's efficiency, shooting touch, height and athleticism combination is one of the most incredible things I've ever watched. As good as Jordan was, he was never this efficient of a scorer. On top of that, he's averaging 28 ppg in the playoffs on less than 19 shots a game. That's nearly 1.50 points per shot (a number that makes Lebron look inefficient)



He's the greatest offensive player I've ever seen

Did you ever watch Michael Jordan play?

[brahmabull117]

Did you ever watch Michael Jordan play?

No I started watching basketball in 2000. I'm a Bulls fan but I came just a little late



Stats don't lie though

[big0mar]

Statistically Durant isn't even best player this postseason.

[crustyme]

stfu kerry.

you do know kareem holds the record for the greatest scorer title with 38,387 pts?

which means durant would have to score 26 ppg (career avg) for 18 years just to catch him.

of course you didnt.

[brahmabull117]

Statistically Durant isn't even best player this postseason.

You're smoking crack



Efficiency >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Volume scoring. Durant >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lebron

[big0mar]

You're smoking crack



Efficiency >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Volume scoring. Durant >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lebron

No, I was referring to overall efficiency. Hopefully you realize that offense is only half the game.

But either way, you're ignoring the effect of usage on offensive efficiency. Durant doesn't even have the highest usage rate on his own team.

[BettingWizard]

still way behind jordan in career efficiency. So is everybody else

The 1991 Finals is by far the most efficient series in NBA history, offense and defense

[brahmabull117]

No, I was referring to overall efficiency. Hopefully you realize that offense is only half the game.

Durant's actually having an excellent all around playoffs. 8 boards a game and 4 assists a game I believe. He's been solid on defense as well

But either way, you're ignoring the effect of usage on offensive efficiency. Durant doesn't even have the highest usage rate on his own team.

What do you mean? Durant's been very efficient no matter how many shots he has taken. No reason to believe he couldn't maintain his efficiency if he took 20-25 shots a game

[brahmabull117]

still way behind jordan in career efficiency. So is everybody else

No he's not. Field goal percentage is irrelevant, true shooting percentage is the only stat that matters and Durant is at 58% TS for his career (57% for Jordan)

[BettingWizard]

include playoff stats, and Jordan is beyond everybody else

[Ghenghis Kahn]

still way behind jordan in career efficiency. So is everybody else

The 1991 Finals is by far the most efficient series in NBA history, offense and defense

jordan was the best during his era but he was guarded by players like craig ehlo. imagine how many points lebron or durant would score against him...

[brahmabull117]

include playoff stats, and Jordan is beyond everybody else

Durant's a career 28 ppg scorer on 59% TS in the playoffs



He's one of the most efficient players in the history of basketball

[big0mar]

Durant's actually having an excellent all around playoffs. 8 boards a game and 4 assists a game I believe. He's been solid on defense as well

Agreed. Still, he is statistically not the most efficient.

What do you mean? Durant's been very efficient no matter how many shots he has taken. No reason to believe he couldn't maintain his efficiency if he took 20-25 shots a game

Yes, there is reason to believe that with more volume he would become less efficient. Its mathematically probable. Which is why nobody would suggest that Harden is a better offensive player than Durant, despite him having a much higher TS%.

[BettingWizard]

jordan was the best during his era but he was guarded by players like craig ehlo. imagine how many points lebron or durant would score against him...

and imagine how much more dominant jordan would have been with no hand checking

Jordan torched excellent defenders like John Starks, it didn't matter who guarded him.

[BettingWizard]

Durant's a career 28 ppg scorer on 59% TS in the playoffs



He's one of the most efficient players in the history of basketball

TS is only one measure

[brahmabull117]

Yes, there is reason to believe that with more volume he would become less efficient. Its mathematically probable. Which is why nobody would suggest that Harden is a better offensive player than Durant, despite him having a much higher TS%.

That's not a fair comparison. Harden's not the primary focus of the offense, Durant is



The reason I say that taking 2-4 more shots a game wouldn't change his efficiency is because Durant's career efficiency in games where he took at least 20-25 shots is phenomenal

[big0mar]

jordan was the best during his era but he was guarded by players like craig ehlo. imagine how many points lebron or durant would score against him...

Imagine if Jordan were developing when everyone was taking creatine and using advanced workout techniques. It is all relative. The players now are more evolved.

[big0mar]

That's not a fair comparison. Harden's not the primary focus of the offense, Durant is

By what measure? How are you defining this?

[Ghenghis Kahn]

and imagine how much more dominant jordan would have been with no hand checking

Jordan torched excellent defenders like John Starks, it didn't matter who guarded him.

john starks would get eaten up by durant and lebron. starks was 6'5" and like 175lbs. no hand checking now but you can't carry the ball like you used to like back in the days.

[brahmabull117]

By what measure? How are you defining this?

Durant is the superstar on the team, Harden's basically a glorified role player



when it comes to TS%. You gotta compare superstar to superstar. Otherwise, you can claim Tyson Chandler's a better offensive player than Durant

[big0mar]

Durant is the superstar on the team, Harden's basically a glorified role player



when it comes to TS%. You gotta compare superstar to superstar. Otherwise, you can claim Tyson Chandler's a better offensive player than Durant

No. You use usage rate. Its a specific stat intended to measure exactly what you're subjectively attempting to subscribe.

Its why every time you see any type of measurement of efficiency its usually accompanied by a convex-hull that includes usage.

[SBR Lou]

Durant doesn't even have the highest usage rate on his own team.

When you get into over analyzing stats, you come away thinking Michael Jordan wasn't clutch and that some guy nobody has ever heard of is the best X of all time. It's pretty easy to see — Durant is the best offensive player on that team.

[big0mar]

When you get into over analyzing stats, you come away thinking Michael Jordan wasn't clutch and that some guy nobody has ever heard of is the best X of all time. It's pretty easy to see — Durant is the best offensive player on that team.

I'm not sure I understand your point. I don't believe anyone suggested that he isn't the best offensive player on his team. The question is how much his TS% would be affected by an increase in usage.

[face]

kareem and milone played for 20 and 19 years, a little soon for durant to catch those scoring records

[Ghenghis Kahn]

no one will ever beat lew alcindor's scoring record.

[brahmabull117]

No. You use usage rate. Its a specific stat intended to measure exactly what you're subjectively attempting to subscribe.

Its why every time you see any type of measurement of efficiency its usually accompanied by a convex-hull that includes usage.

Look I agree with your general notion that "higher volume of shots will generally equal a lower %"



The issue here is that it's just not a legitimate assertion in this case because of Durant's career excellent numbers in games with a very high volume of shots. He's always been very efficient whether he took 30 shots or 15 shots. Taking 3 more shots a game (which would put him on the same volume as Jordan) would likely result in about the same numbers

When you get into over analyzing stats, you come away thinking Michael Jordan wasn't clutch

Huh?


Jordan's clutch numbers were phenomenal

[big0mar]

Look I agree with your general notion that "higher volume of shots will generally equal a lower %"



The issue here is that it's just not a legitimate assertion in this case because of Durant's career excellent numbers in games with a very high volume of shots. He's always been very efficient whether he took 30 shots or 15 shots. Taking 3 more shots a game (which would put him on the same volume as Jordan) would likely result in about the same numbers

He is a very efficient shooter because he doesn't take bad shots. If he doesn't have a good shot the ball goes to someone else. Its not about volume. Its about how often the ball is in his hands. The ball is in his hands less than it is in Westbrook's.

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[brahmabull117]

He is a very efficient shooter because he doesn't take bad shots. If he doesn't have a good shot the ball goes to someone else. Its not about volume. Its about how often the ball is in his hands. The ball is in his hands less than it is in Westbrook's.

Durant makes a ton of difficult shots though



No fewer difficult shots than Lebron or Jordan, he's just a superior shooter. In fact, he's one of the best shooters of all time

[big0mar]

Durant makes a ton of difficult shots though



No fewer difficult shots than Lebron or Jordan, he's just a superior shooter. In fact, he's one of the best shooters of all time

This is entirely subjective, there is nothing to support this theory. Just going off what was seen last night, LeBron hit tougher shots in my opinion. Either way the fact remains that Durant does not have the highest usage rate on his team.