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  • LVHerbie
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    • 09-15-05
    • 6344

    #1
    Obama the most fiscally conservative president since 1950?
    Obama spending binge never happened

    Commentary: Government outlays rising at slowest pace since 1950s


    WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) — Of all the falsehoods told about President Barack Obama, the biggest whopper is the one about his reckless spending spree.
    As would-be president Mitt Romney tells it: “I will lead us out of this debt and spending inferno.”
    Almost everyone believes that Obama has presided over a massive increase in federal spending, an “inferno” of spending that threatens our jobs, our businesses and our children’s future. Even Democrats seem to think it’s true.

    But it didn’t happen. Although there was a big stimulus bill under Obama, federal spending is rising at the slowest pace since Dwight Eisenhower brought the Korean War to an end in the 1950s.

    Even hapless Herbert Hoover managed to increase spending more than Obama has.
    Here are the facts, according to the official government statistics:
    In the 2009 fiscal year — the last of George W. Bush’s presidency — federal spending rose by 17.9% from $2.98 trillion to $3.52 trillion. Check the official numbers at the Office of Management and Budget.
    In fiscal 2010 — the first budget under Obama — spending fell 1.8% to $3.46 trillion.
    In fiscal 2011, spending rose 4.3% to $3.60 trillion.
    In fiscal 2012, spending is set to rise 0.7% to $3.63 trillion, according to the Congressional Budget Office’s estimate of the budget that was agreed to last August.
    Finally in fiscal 2013 — the final budget of Obama’s term — spending is scheduled to fall 1.3% to $3.58 trillion. Read the CBO’s latest budget outlook.

    Over Obama’s four budget years, federal spending is on track to rise from $3.52 trillion to $3.58 trillion, an annualized increase of just 0.4%.
    There has been no huge increase in spending under the current president, despite what you hear.....


  • frogsrangers
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    • 04-25-12
    • 5792

    #2
    This has been debunked and destroyed by pretty much everyone even the leftist rag Washington Post which gave it 3 pinnochios on the lie scale, and the AP said it was bunk too.

    It's wrong because they added the stimulus/omnibus spending bill to Bush's spending, as well as the ongoing wars to Bush's spending, and pushed Obamacare's price tag back to 2014.

    Question: If Obama is Mr. Deficit Hawk and such a small spender, then how has he added $5 trillion to the national debt and sent it soaring?
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    • jgray
      SBR MVP
      • 09-06-09
      • 3599

      #3
      The phrase "lies, damn lies, and statistics" applies here.
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      • Sam Odom
        SBR Aristocracy
        • 10-30-05
        • 58063

        #4
        Libs cannot get their story straight...

        1. It was Obama's spending that saved the USA from imploding

        But...

        2. The deficit since Obama took office belongs to Bush

        Maybe...

        3. It was Bush's spending foresight that saved the country
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        • jarvol
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          • 09-13-10
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          #5
          LOL. Some peeps will believe anything.
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          • Brock Landers
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            • 06-30-08
            • 45359

            #6
            Obama needs 4 more years!
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            • GUMMO77
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              • 08-23-10
              • 9294

              #7
              Another look at it.

              http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/may/23/facebook-posts/viral-facebook-post-says-barack-obama-has-lowest-s/
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              • LVHerbie
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                • 09-15-05
                • 6344

                #8
                Originally posted by frogsrangers
                This has been debunked and destroyed by pretty much everyone even the leftist rag Washington Post which gave it 3 pinnochios on the lie scale, and the AP said it was bunk too.

                It's wrong because they added the stimulus/omnibus spending bill to Bush's spending, as well as the ongoing wars to Bush's spending, and pushed Obamacare's price tag back to 2014.

                Question: If Obama is Mr. Deficit Hawk and such a small spender, then how has he added $5 trillion to the national debt and sent it soaring?
                Yea I see your point... Makes alot of sense that as long as the handouts are to big businesses and banks they shouldn't really count as government spending.... Add that to complete silliness of the huge cost of the non-compulsory wars that Cheney/Bush started as also being considered an expense and the whole argument completely falls on its face...
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                • Sam Odom
                  SBR Aristocracy
                  • 10-30-05
                  • 58063

                  #9
                  people make-up 'facts' to further their agenda... all sides do
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                  • Shaudius
                    SBR MVP
                    • 09-21-10
                    • 1112

                    #10
                    Originally posted by frogsrangers
                    Question: If Obama is Mr. Deficit Hawk and such a small spender, then how has he added $5 trillion to the national debt and sent it soaring?
                    Well that one is easy, Bush's last budget had a 1 trillion dollar deficit in it(the one that was in effect the day Obama took office). If Obama had not raised federal spending one cent in the next 3.5 years the national debt would have risen approximately 4 trillion dollars(assuming flatlined revenue), the fact that its risen 5 trillion since he took office means that overall federal spending(including increases in SS, and Medicare spending which aren't discretionary, as well as interest on the debt which is only going up) could not have increased by more than ~5% per year(again including increases in mandatory spending).

                    The fact that the federal debt has ONLY risen 5 trillion since Obama took office is actually proof that Obama has not massively increased spending over the baseline he was handed, even though that seems nonsensical.

                    The real argument should be about whether or not Obama should have decreased spending by a lot compared to the baseline he was handed, not that the debt has soared, it would have soared had any President just kept things the way they were headed.
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                    • Emily_Haines
                      SBR Posting Legend
                      • 04-14-09
                      • 15917

                      #11
                      These GOP clowns can not handle the slightest bit of good news about Obama.

                      ........we don't even hear them crying about the gas prices anymore.
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                      • DwightShrute
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                        • 01-17-09
                        • 103451

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Brock Landers
                        Obama needs 4 more years!
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                        • Mr KLC
                          BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                          • 12-19-07
                          • 31097

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Emily_Haines
                          These GOP clowns can not handle the slightest bit of good news about Obama.

                          ........we don't even hear them crying about the gas prices anymore.
                          Trust me. At $3.50/gallon, I still am.
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                          • DwightShrute
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                            • 01-17-09
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                            • Shafted69
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                              • 07-04-08
                              • 6412

                              #15
                              Dwightie is projecting his worst flaws onto others lol.



                              http://forum.sbrforum.com/politics-economics/340611-since-dwight-lies-here-his-own-words.html


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                              • DwightShrute
                                SBR Aristocracy
                                • 01-17-09
                                • 103451

                                #16
                                Originally posted by Shafted69
                                loser
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                                • Shafted69
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                                  • 07-04-08
                                  • 6412

                                  #17
                                  dwightie when people look up "loser" in the dictionary they see you. a candian costa rican clerk who is a liar & thief.


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                                  • DwightShrute
                                    SBR Aristocracy
                                    • 01-17-09
                                    • 103451

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by Shafted69
                                    dwightie when people look up "loser" in the dictionary they see you. a candian costa rican clerk who is a liar & thief.


                                    don't forget to ask if they want it super sized moron
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                                    • Andy117
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                                      • 02-07-10
                                      • 9511

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by DwightShrute
                                      don't forget to ask if they want it super sized moron
                                      Those ribs look good.
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                                      • DwightShrute
                                        SBR Aristocracy
                                        • 01-17-09
                                        • 103451

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by Andy117
                                        Those ribs look good.
                                        there's a place close to my house where a guy from florida has this 20K smoker and he makes the best ribs. no more super special teasers Andy!
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                                        • LVHerbie
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                                          • 09-15-05
                                          • 6344

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by Mr KLC
                                          Trust me. At $3.50/gallon, I still am.
                                          Funny how everyone has forgotten about how gas prices actually peaked at over $4 a gallon under the Bush administration...



                                          Regardless the whole argument is absurd as, besides their ability to declare war against oil rich countries based on make-believe, the president has almost nothing to do with the end price of gas...
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                                          • Harry N. Lloyd
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                                            • 03-26-08
                                            • 4810

                                            #22
                                            Boyz, gas prices are not controlled by Obama or anyone else at the White House. They are controlled by a powerful cartel who decide the prices of all energy (Exxon, British Petroleum, GasProm, Arabs, et al). They manipulate the prices for profit and also to exert control on political landscapes. To blame Obama for the price of gas at the pump is like blaming the Geico gecko for the cost of boat insurance.
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                                            • LVHerbie
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                                              • 09-15-05
                                              • 6344

                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by Harry N. Lloyd
                                              Boyz, gas prices are not controlled by Obama or anyone else at the White House. They are controlled by a powerful cartel who decide the prices of all energy (Exxon, British Petroleum, Cheney manipulating intel reporting to justify war, GasProm, Arabs, et al). They manipulate the prices for profit and also to exert control on political landscapes. To blame Obama for the price of gas at the pump is like blaming the Geico gecko for the cost of boat insurance.
                                              Fixed your post for you... I agree with everything else...
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                                              • Mr KLC
                                                BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                                • 12-19-07
                                                • 31097

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by LVHerbie
                                                Funny how everyone has forgotten about how gas prices actually peaked at over $4 a gallon under the Bush administration...



                                                Regardless the whole argument is absurd as, besides their ability to declare war against oil rich countries based on make-believe, the president has almost nothing to do with the end price of gas...
                                                Policies can affect how speculators respond. You don't think that it would affect prices if Obama started the Keystone project, or ordered more drilling? Don't try the argument of comparing Obama to Bush. Bush was as dimwitted as Obama is now. McCain probably would have been also.
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                                                • wantitall4moi
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                                                  • 04-17-10
                                                  • 3063

                                                  #25
                                                  yeah because a guy that prints up and put trillions, (TRILLIONS with a T) of dollars into a system without any backing whatsoever is fiscally responsible.

                                                  as for gas prices theyll be 2 bux a month before the election.
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                                                  • nosniboR11
                                                    SBR Posting Legend
                                                    • 09-02-08
                                                    • 10042

                                                    #26
                                                    democrats are the dumbest people in America

                                                    all deserve to be
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                                                    • thetrinity
                                                      SBR Posting Legend
                                                      • 01-25-11
                                                      • 22430

                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by Sam Odom
                                                      people make-up 'facts' to further their agenda... all sides do
                                                      they also make stories that have nothing to do with an election like a rappers son getting an academic scholarship to play football into a political issue. youre gonna see more bs in the next 5 months on this site then the last 3 years combined probably.
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                                                      • Harry N. Lloyd
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                                                        • 03-26-08
                                                        • 4810

                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by nosniboR11
                                                        democrats are the dumbest people in America

                                                        all deserve to be shot
                                                        You tell 'em, Nosnibo......that'll learn 'em.
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                                                        • mp5070
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                                                          • 09-13-08
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                                                          #29
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                                                          • greenhippo
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                                                            • 02-15-12
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                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by frogsrangers
                                                            This has been debunked and destroyed by pretty much everyone even the leftist rag Washington Post which gave it 3 pinnochios on the lie scale, and the AP said it was bunk too.

                                                            It's wrong because they added the stimulus/omnibus spending bill to Bush's spending, as well as the ongoing wars to Bush's spending, and pushed Obamacare's price tag back to 2014.

                                                            Question: If Obama is Mr. Deficit Hawk and such a small spender, then how has he added $5 trillion to the national debt and sent it soaring?
                                                            What? Your question is answered, in detail, in the very post before yours.......I figured even the dimmest of posters here could understand what it entails. But I could make it a little more simple if it helps.

                                                            Deficit is $10.
                                                            Guy A in his last year increases the deficit to $12. Thus increasing it by 20%
                                                            Guy B comes in and sees that last year it was increased by $2, not being braindead he knows he can't just make $2 in instant cuts. But does he want to increase it another 20% like Guy A? No, he only increases it by $2.1 or 17.5%, which is, wait for it, a LOWER increase on the deficit than Guy A.

                                                            That article, at least to me and hopefully several of the posters here, pointed that out pretty clearly. I would be extremely worried if I read that and could not understand that.
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