6/1 UFC, Pat Schilling +105

gabe · 05-31-12, 02:55 PM

Originally posted by fosho14

lol calm down man I'm sorry to hear that you disagree with me. People disagree from time to time in life it happens. And I still don't concede to your point that size was the main factor with dustin/holloway. Technique/skill are paramount, and the size difference between these two fighters is not enough to offset those principles of technique/skill. This was not a bj penn vs lyoto machida fight, so no I think your way off base sorry.

Where you see "technique" I see a big guy with experienced ground game easily controlling a small guy with inexperienced ground game. The fact that you think Poirier could have done the same exact thing if they were the same size and used the same "technique" is why we should not be discussing MMA 'cos I'm not going to take anything you say seriously.

I'm chill, smoking as we speak lol- just being real.

Oblivian · 05-31-12, 02:57 PM

Get a job hippies.

gabe · 05-31-12, 02:57 PM

Poirier controlled Max like a little boy. You can't do that to someone your size, unless you're an elite wrestler, which Poirier is not even close to being.

BIGDAY · 05-31-12, 03:04 PM

Originally posted by gabe

Did you just seriously compare Max vs Dustin to Cormier vs Barnett?

Jesus Christ, man...

YES- size is the only reason Poirier was able to easily control Holloway. Are you fkn retarded? If you think Poirier could have been able to take Holloway down and control him on the ground the way he did if they were the same size fighters, then you and I should not even be discussing MMA, period.

Gabe, are you honestly saying that there is zero technique to wrestling? Just strictly who is the larger person? I'm honestly confused pal.

BIGDAY · 05-31-12, 03:06 PM

Sorry, just read your other posts... I think I get what your sayin.

Vaughany · 05-31-12, 03:08 PM

And have a few bevvies like my boii Jones Gabe

fosho14 · 05-31-12, 03:10 PM

Originally posted by BIGDAY

Gabe, are you honestly saying that there is zero technique to wrestling? Just strictly who is the larger person? I'm honestly confused pal.

ya that's precisely what he's sayin, and I strongly disagree. Don't know what else there is to say

Oblivian · 05-31-12, 03:11 PM

Originally posted by Vaughany

And have a few bevvies like my boii Jones Gabe

gabe · 05-31-12, 03:13 PM

Originally posted by BIGDAY

Gabe, are you honestly saying that there is zero technique to wrestling? Just strictly who is the larger person? I'm honestly confused pal.

LOL No that's not what I'm saying AT ALL. How could you interpret it that way? I was saying Poirier won that fight using his size, not necessarily technique. He couldn't have done the same thing to Max if they were the same size. I believe if Max was equally as big and strong as Poirier, he would beat Poirier up pretty bad. Poirier wouldn't be able to control him on the ground so easily... but 'cos of the size disadvantage Max had, Poirier was easily able to control him.

gabe · 05-31-12, 03:14 PM

Originally posted by BIGDAY

Sorry, just read your other posts... I think I get what your sayin.

Respek.

gabe · 05-31-12, 03:15 PM

Originally posted by fosho14

ya that's precisely what he's sayin, and I strongly disagree. Don't know what else there is to say

Um, Big Day realized that's not what I was saying at all-- and the fact that you think that's what I was saying makes me not feel bad about wondering if you are retarded.

BIGDAY · 05-31-12, 03:19 PM

Originally posted by gabe

Respek.

I know it's not much.. but little things like arm control, body postioning before a TD attempt, and head control are things that are very hard to train and learn with out years of being on the ol mat.

And that pretty much sums up as experience in your above post is what I'm gathering...

BIGDAY · 05-31-12, 03:22 PM

Combine that with strength and size and that's what I'm hoping for in finding a little value with Schilling. lol

If this fight stays standing... I don't see how Schilling pulls a win. He'll need this fight to go to the ground, and that's just how I see it.

gabe · 05-31-12, 03:26 PM

They're both smaller guys, both should be 135ers.

BIGDAY · 05-31-12, 03:27 PM

Originally posted by gabe

They're both smaller guys, both should be 135ers.

fosho14 · 05-31-12, 03:34 PM

Originally posted by gabe

Um, Big Day realized that's not what I was saying at all-- and the fact that you think that's what I was saying makes me not feel bad about wondering if you are retarded.

w/e bud. skill/technique beats strength in most facets of this sport, I've noticed that you seem to always bring up these size/strength arguments on here, and IMO they just don't play into it to the degree that you think they do. That's all I was getting at.

gabe · 05-31-12, 03:42 PM

Originally posted by fosho14

w/e bud. skill/technique beats strength in most facets of this sport, I've noticed that you seem to always bring up these size/strength arguments on here, and IMO they just don't play into it to the degree that you think they do. That's all I was getting at.

I bring up size/strength arguments? lol wtf are u talking about?

Yes, skill/technique does beat strength. No shit. Again, WTF are you talking about?!

If you don't understand what is being discussed in the conversation, please don't throw yourself in.

jjgold · 05-31-12, 03:51 PM

I am taking the other side just as a fade

Lets see what happens

BIGDAY · 05-31-12, 03:55 PM

Originally posted by jjgold

I am taking the other side just as a fade

Lets see what happens

Best of luck coach.

fosho14 · 05-31-12, 04:00 PM

Originally posted by gabe

I bring up size/strength arguments? lol wtf are u talking about?

Yes, skill/technique does beat strength. No shit. Again, WTF are you talking about?!

If you don't understand what is being discussed in the conversation, please don't throw yourself in.

Alright gabe, as you wish. Seem awfully angry for a stoner.

BIGDAY · 05-31-12, 04:07 PM

Would be fairly entertaining if we had the entire MMA forum posters at a bar. Can only imagine the outcome.

Vaughany · 05-31-12, 04:09 PM

Originally posted by BIGDAY

Would be fairly entertaining if we had the entire MMA forum posters at a bar. Can only imagine the outcome.

hahaa would be sheer comedy

gabe · 05-31-12, 04:12 PM

Originally posted by fosho14

Alright gabe, as you wish. Seem awfully angry for a stoner.

I'm not angry, just irritated by stupidity.

Nothing personal, I generally like you around here.

Jesus Christ · 05-31-12, 06:26 PM

Max Holloway is just raw talent...I really wish he would have waited to join up with the UFC but when ya get the call I'd guess it's impossible to say no.

As for this fight I like Max a lot and will be making a play on him tomorrow when the odds flip...everything I've watched leads me to believe that Schilling won't even have the opportunity to shoot..I think this a 2 minute fight with Holloway being too fast and too accurate and putting Schilling away early.

GL either way Bigday you're on the best posters on here

BIGDAY · 05-31-12, 09:09 PM

Schilling -115.

Glad I got him at +105

DeFactoCrippler · 06-01-12, 05:08 AM

Originally posted by BIGDAY

Would be fairly entertaining if we had the entire MMA forum posters at a bar. Can only imagine the outcome.

I can. 100% of MMA forum posters walk into a bar. Bartender asks for ID. 99% of MMA forum posters leave the bar.

Vaughany · 06-01-12, 05:52 AM

Originally posted by DeFactoCrippler

I can. 100% of MMA forum posters walk into a bar. Bartender asks for ID. 99% of MMA forum posters leave the bar.

Hahaha

Smoke · 06-01-12, 06:33 AM

Bigday is gods son

On it for 5 units

omalley21 · 06-01-12, 12:22 PM

Tough fight to call. Holloway needs a lot of work on his ground game. I lean toward the wrestler as well.

BIGDAY · 06-01-12, 01:28 PM

Wrestlers rule. Lol

bjpenn85 · 06-01-12, 01:31 PM

and so needs schilling!!

dww123 · 06-01-12, 04:35 PM

Just rewatched Schilling/Pineda fight. Couple of things i took from it. Schilling striking is very bad. When he was taken down by Pineda it looked so easy. You would think a wrestler would have the balance to at least make it somewhat a struggle. When Pineda got him to the ground Pineda went from guard to half guard to side control to full mount in about 7 seconds. Schilling's leg work work on the ground showed me he doesn't know what he's doing at all. Neither does Halloway but at least he can strike. I'm taking the Hawaiian/

fosho14 · 06-01-12, 04:58 PM

Originally posted by dww123

Just rewatched Schilling/Pineda fight. Couple of things i took from it. Schilling striking is very bad. When he was taken down by Pineda it looked so easy. You would think a wrestler would have the balance to at least make it somewhat a struggle. When Pineda got him to the ground Pineda went from guard to half guard to side control to full mount in about 7 seconds. Schilling's leg work work on the ground showed me he doesn't know what he's doing at all. Neither does Halloway but at least he can strike. I'm taking the Hawaiian/

exactly what I was thinking

BIGDAY · 06-01-12, 05:03 PM

I highly doubt Holloway takes Schilling down IMO.

dww123 · 06-01-12, 05:07 PM

Originally posted by BIGDAY

I highly doubt Holloway takes Schilling down IMO.

Oh I agree i was just thinking schillings ground game may not be that good and that his best avenue for victory.