Any value on Frank Mir +435?

[Libert1ne]

I think the line on bigfoot/cain is about right. Cain should pull it out. Bigfoot inside might be a good hedge though. I don't see him winning a decision over velasquez

[FindTheLock]

I'd say if you're looking for a dog then bigfoot has a much better chance than mir does. That's my opinion anyway. Bigfoot is definitely alive and barking, but he still has a big challenge in front of him beating Cain. On the other hand; however, Mir is going to need a miracle to win this fight.

[Ghenghis Kahn]

i wonder why dos santos keeps saying he'll knock him out in the 2nd round. i know dos santos will keep the fight standing but does he want to punish mir with rights and lefts for the full 10 minutes? payback's gonna be a bitch for mir...

[Monte]

Prolly, you gotta be crazy to bet -500 against Mir that's all i know.

[caveira]

There is no value in Mir +435! His chances are much worst than that. I should think about +800 or better.

[Rubber Guard]

I'd say if you're looking for a dog then bigfoot has a much better chance than mir does. That's my opinion anyway. Bigfoot is definitely alive and barking, but he still has a big challenge in front of him beating Cain. On the other hand; however, Mir is going to need a miracle to win this fight.

Agreed. But I still don't see Bigfoot as that alive.

Cain's mental state after losing the belt off his first loss, by KO could be a factor here. And he could be out of wack.

But that said...a Cain with his head on straight won't lose to Bigfoot. Bigfoot was KO'd with speed last time out...Cain has that speed. Cain has the wrestling. Cain has the cardio.

Bigfoot really isn't a 1 punch KO specialist. He has never shown ability to drop legit guys. He is a decent striker but his lack of any speed what so ever hurts him vs. anyone with the speed. He usually wins by being bigger and being on top. I don't see how he gets on top or stays on top of Cain.

Cain is better standing, better wrestling, waay better cardio, more speed. I don't see where Bigfoot wins this fight unless Cain comes out sloppy as hell. Bigfoot isn't JDS. He is slow as hell.
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[FindTheLock]

Agreed. But I still don't see Bigfoot as that alive.

Cain's mental state after losing the belt off his first loss, by KO could be a factor here. And he could be out of wack.

But that said...a Cain with his head on straight won't lose to Bigfoot. Bigfoot was KO'd with speed last time out...Cain has that speed. Cain has the wrestling. Cain has the cardio.

Bigfoot really isn't a 1 punch KO specialist. He has never shown ability to drop legit guys. He is a decent striker but his lack of any speed what so ever hurts him vs. anyone with the speed. He usually wins by being bigger and being on top. I don't see how he gets on top or stays on top of Cain.

Cain is better standing, better wrestling, waay better cardio, more speed. I don't see where Bigfoot wins this fight unless Cain comes out sloppy as hell. Bigfoot isn't JDS. He is slow as hell.
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I agree with you. I wouldn't bet on bigfoot either. I just think Bigfoot has a better chance than Mir, so that should tell you how good of a chance I think mir has.

[PedroG]

I think Varner is LIVE too.

[Monte]

There is no value in Mir +435! His chances are much worst than that. I should think about +800 or better.

Put your money where your mouth is then, you can get down 15k euro at Matchbook at -470.
Should be paradise for you, surely.

[SEKTAUR]

Parlay Barboza and Del Rosario

[GunShard]

The striker will defeat the grapler most of the time. I prefer Dos Santos to win this fight.

[PedroG]

Everybody loves touting -500+ favorites in MMA but nobody has the BALLS to actually play em.

(and maybe I'm guilty of not having the Brains to pass on the Big dogs)

[fosho14]

Everybody loves touting -500+ favorites in MMA but nobody has the BALLS to actually play em.

(and maybe I'm guilty of not having the Brains to pass on the Big dogs)

No man, it's about being very very selective about which dogs, you play and which favorites you play. That's where the skill comes in. You don't seem to have grasped this concept. Yes there are certainly times where a heavy dog is a smart play depending on the circumstances but if you think mir is a "good dog play" or "has value" you have no idea wat the F*ck your talking about, that's all I have to say.

[raydog]

my god that was a hugh win for varner...pure beatdown of barbosa...theres one big dog win for the night for those looking at fav beatdowns at least

[PedroG]

No man, it's about being very very selective about which dogs, you play and which favorites you play. That's where the skill comes in. You don't seem to have grasped this concept. Yes there are certainly times where a heavy dog is a smart play depending on the circumstances but if you think mir is a "good dog play" or "has value" you have no idea wat the F*ck your talking about, that's all I have to say.

Your a funking moron if gonna base and categorize me as certain type of a bettor. You have no idea who the the fukk I am or what I bet. If you think you are the expert on betting UFc lets have a challenge. We can start from UFC 147 to 150. And I bet I wipe the floor with you in overall units won. We pick 4 fights per card each, use a set line from you choose the book, post our bets prior to start time. And let her rip, then in a few months we will see who knows about value or not asshole. You game? If not then shut the fuckk up. We can put up money or pink slips or both?

[fosho14]

Your a funking moron if gonna base and categorize me as certain type of a bettor. You have no idea who the the fukk I am or what I bet. If you think you are the expert on betting UFc lets have a challenge. We can start from UFC 147 to 150. And I bet I wipe the floor with you in overall units won. We pick 4 fights per card each, use a set line from you choose the book, post our bets prior to start time. And let her rip, then in a few months we will see who knows about value or not asshole. You game? If not then shut the fuckk up. We can put up money or pink slips or both?

challenge accepted

[PedroG]

And who had Varner as a LIVE dog as posted prior to the fight ? Me that's who !! That's my night paid for at + 400. I guess I didn't know value in that one either right FOSHO? Scratch that challenge I wouldn't even waste my time with your monkey ass.

[DeFactoCrippler]

Your a funking moron if gonna base and categorize me as certain type of a bettor. You have no idea who the the fukk I am or what I bet. If you think you are the expert on betting UFc lets have a challenge. We can start from UFC 147 to 150. And I bet I wipe the floor with you in overall units won. We pick 4 fights per card each, use a set line from you choose the book, post our bets prior to start time. And let her rip, then in a few months we will see who knows about value or not asshole. You game? If not then shut the fuckk up. We can put up money or pink slips or both?

Dude is a ******* clown. We had a discussion in the other thread about his glaring mistakes in his handicapping. He has me on block so I think he might not have seen it, lol. I guess ignorance really is bliss.

[GamblerSpirit]

How many fights are there tonight...Sheesh tired of waiting

[raydog]

No man, it's about being very very selective about which dogs, you play and which favorites you play. That's where the skill comes in. You don't seem to have grasped this concept. Yes there are certainly times where a heavy dog is a smart play depending on the circumstances but if you think mir is a "good dog play" or "has value" you have no idea wat the F*ck your talking about, that's all I have to say.

"value" is dictated by the market...not your gut or your thoughts or what you want to think is "skill" ...i just had this same convo with lakerboy... mir +421 now at pinny when the thread started it was +435... so yes, the +435 had some value at time of post...not a lot for huge dog, but still fits term... and please lets not press the convo of "skill" of betting a huge dog or fav anymore in this thread... gl guys on the ppv card...

[Monte]

"value" is dictated by the market...not your gut or your thoughts or what you want to think is "skill" ...i just had this same convo with lakerboy... mir +421 now at pinny when the thread started it was +435... so yes, the +435 had some value at time of post...not a lot for huge dog, but still fits term... and please lets not press the convo of "skill" of betting a huge dog or fav anymore in this thread... gl guys on the ppv card...

I agree with most of your post, but why would +435 have value if the line is now +421 (if it still is)?
Where do you figure in the juice?

[fosho14]

PedroG you got the number 1 troll in the Jungle (Defacto) defending you...That's never a good sign lol.

[PedroG]

I had Hardy also. As posted in this thread. 2-0. Defacto Knows his shit as far as I'm concerned.

[fosho14]

I had Hardy also. As posted in this thread. 2-0. Defacto Knows his shit as far as I'm concerned.

haha you clearly haven't been here long have you? Dude has been identified and solidified as thee number 1 or number 2 troll on this message board. Scroll through his posts and see for yourself. But what ever u say man, sure.

[raydog]

I agree with most of your post, but why would +435 have value if the line is now +421 (if it still is)?
Where do you figure in the juice?

because the market has bet the +435 down...that means the fighter is getting more action... down to +416 now...that means mir is getting a decent amount of money bet on him right now (and not just a lot of public betting)... the +435 had good value at the time the thread was started... but this is nothing new , in my experience...with big dogs like this, there is often late money thrown around because (like i said earlier) people believe they know or see the value in something that may or may not be there...they dont know, they just see a big #...

[PedroG]

Look if you wanna change the subject. Sure thing pal. Who gives a rats fat ass about him, her, Larry, curly or Moe. Were talking the fights I could give two shits who agrees with me or not. The fact is I disagree with you. Now the card is starting so I'll end this rant. Addy fukking ose

PedroG

[PedroG]

Parlay Barboza and Del Rosario

Loser

[bigjah15]

Also like Struve by submission.

Bammmmmm

[PedroG]

After hearing Mirs gay ass entry music, I knew I was on the wrong side. Won overall on the card though.

[Kaladarus]

Mir's been using that same entrance song for a while now. One could say it's amazing.

[RITZ]

Both Cain elbow and Dos right hand knocked the crap out of their opponents.

[dww123]

LOL , that made me laugh , good one

However , if you are ADAMANT that there is ABSOLUTELY no value in MIR , then Wouldnt there be value in JDS ?? and if there is value , then why not play it and earn some "easy money" ... ? just curious ( and not bi-curious either ..)

Good Idea!

May 26, 2012 11:28:48 PM

Single #255441230 Mixed Martial Arts (Game) Moneyline Both Must Fight For Action. UFC 146 - MGM Grand Garden Arena, Las Vegas, Nevada, United States (9212) Junior "Cigano" Dos Santos -475 May 26/12@11:30p Final Scores Junior "Cigano" Dos Santos 1 Frank Mir 0 Outcome: Win Date settled: May 26, 2012 11:56:58 PM

Web

US$ 15000.00

US$ 3157.89

[raydog]

Good Idea!

May 26, 2012 11:28:48 PM

Single #255441230 Mixed Martial Arts (Game) Moneyline Both Must Fight For Action. UFC 146 - MGM Grand Garden Arena, Las Vegas, Nevada, United States (9212) Junior "Cigano" Dos Santos -475 May 26/12@11:30p Final Scores Junior "Cigano" Dos Santos 1 Frank Mir 0 Outcome: Win Date settled: May 26, 2012 11:56:58 PM

Web

US$ 15000.00

US$ 3157.89

wow, congrats what book is this? a lot of us havent been able to make an online 4 figure mma wager in a long time...im more impressed by that

[dww123]

wow, congrats what book is this? a lot of us havent been able to make an online 4 figure mma wager in a long time...im more impressed by that

That's because most of the guys on here are probably a lot better than I am at betting mma than i am. It's bovada.

[Rubber Guard]

nice hit.

JDS was the worst matchup for Mir.
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