NADAL vs. DJOKOVIC: PART VII ....... In theaters on SUNDAY!

baskets · 04-20-12, 02:56 PM

But if you go back further:

Djoker is 10-2 in last 12 vs. Rafa ... dating all the way back to Cincy of 2009.

Been watching Nadal in Monte Carlo and it really looks like there's no new solution for him to beat the Djoker.

reformed · 04-20-12, 02:58 PM

nadal will be favored in the final though which I dont understand at all

baskets · 04-20-12, 03:02 PM

Break point opportunities in those matches?

Djokovic: 92 bp's
Nadal: 48 bp's

and the break point opportunities have been getting more and more disparaging as these matchups have continued.

books are basically putting Djoker -320 or so over Berdych. not a chance in hell Djoker will be > -200 in the final.

really, in the history of tennis there might never have been a lack of pricing adjustment as there has been in this matchup.

crazy

baskets · 04-20-12, 03:03 PM

calculate the futures and they'll tell you the price on Djoker as a fave in the final

jjgold · 04-20-12, 03:47 PM

Are they going to play??

reformed · 04-20-12, 03:49 PM

baskets are you dumb? before the round of 16 nadal was -120 to win and joker was +200 to win so obviously nadal will be favored in a potential final

reformed · 04-20-12, 03:49 PM

right now nadal is -145 to win and joker is +175

baskets · 04-20-12, 04:07 PM

you are correct, sir. honestly, haven't looked at that at all... don't often play futures

but that is more to my point.... lol, they're going to favor Nadal.

baskets · 04-20-12, 04:11 PM

you know, come to think of it... it's more logical (although it's illogical) that Nadal will be the fave

in Madrid and Rome they had him at 3.34 and 2.86 on clay ... and even after a few more wins they still don't believe.

better opportunity for Djoker backers

jjgold · 04-20-12, 04:21 PM

Who looks better so far??

I have not watched matches..out cutting fukkin grass in AM

showtiime · 04-20-12, 04:40 PM

JJ Djoker's grandfather died 2 hours before playing Dolgo first up, head is somewhere else but he's battled through it.
Dropped first set to Dolgo although saw him hit a forehand winner at 190km / 118mph, was like a tracer bullet.
Then played Haase today who is a bigger head-case than a grieving Djokovic so he routined him in straights.

If Rafito has a chance at getting one back on him surely this would be the spot but in saying that Djoker could play the 'do it for Granddad' card & leave everything on the court.

Will play over if anything or wait for a live play.

baskets · 04-20-12, 05:11 PM

wow, show. great info.

Djoker's grandpappy stepped on a mine. ouch

btw, this reminds of the Miami incident... ie, Roddick over Federer. Something must've been going on w/ Fed or he simply didn't give a fukk. Federer using his dick as tennis racquet beats Roddick 6-0, 6-0.

Birdy still not beating Djoker in semis.... might as well take Djoker to win tourney right now for better price I suppose

reformed · 04-20-12, 05:34 PM

baskets i watched that match, fed didnt play his best but roddick turned back the clock and played the best match he has played by a mile in 3 years. He had that extra zip on his forehand that has been lacking in recent years.

EaglesPhan36 · 04-20-12, 08:54 PM

It really wasn't a routine win as the score indicates. Djokovic was rolling in the 1st set, up 4-1 and he let Haase come all the way back to even it up. Normal Djokovic day, he crushes him 6-2 or 6-1 in that setting. 2nd set, same thing - a bit erratic as he was broken twice, including when he was serving for the match @ 5-1. Be careful thinking Djokovic is a gimme to be in the Final. He already admitted he though about withdrawing before the Dolgpolov match because of the death and he's still admitted that his emotions are running all over the place. He sounds a little like someone who is satisfied by his ability to fight through this week, saying getting to the semis was an "accomplishment" considering everything. I agree with that. Don't be surprised if Berdych gives him all he can handle and poses a real upset threat. Without the distraction, Djokovic would be an easy choice to win on Saturday. Given this week, don't be surprised if he's sent packing or has to work extremely hard to win.

gators0708 · 04-20-12, 08:56 PM

Nadal hasnt lost in Monte Carlo since 03...

baskets · 04-20-12, 09:47 PM

Nadal hasn't beaten Djoker in 3 years ... lol

good info in this thread.

will definitely be holding off. will wait for the clay season to develop.

jjgold · 04-20-12, 10:09 PM

Joker could get knocked off tomorrow in semis

paco · 04-21-12, 12:00 AM

Simon beats nadal +1000

baskets · 04-21-12, 12:07 AM

if anybody gets beat, it would have to be Djoker

Nadal won't lose tomorrow. maybe mess around on the HC vs Djoker

but why fade the best?

jjgold · 04-21-12, 07:04 AM

Joker struggling today

Tight 1st set

Anyone's match

baskets · 04-21-12, 09:21 AM

Djoker 16-11

loses first set and covers cap

never good idea to bet against the guy

looks like the movie will be on for Sunday

looks like it doesn't matter that Djoker's grandpappy stepped on a mine in Serbiaslovakia.... he will show up on Sunday to work that Nadal anus as usual

Demonata · 04-21-12, 09:26 AM

Nadal could beat him man. Going to be a coin flip in my opinion on clay.

Inkwell77 · 04-21-12, 10:36 AM

I don't know how you can bet against the Joker in this spot.
What time is this match? Will be pumped!

Demonata · 04-21-12, 10:53 AM

You can bet against him because value will be on Nadal who has played better this tournament in my opinion and it's on clay.

jjgold · 04-21-12, 11:18 AM

If Nadal loses tomorrow he should quit tennis

If he cannot beat him tomorrow her NEVER EVER WILL

reformed · 04-21-12, 01:01 PM

no way in f'in hell can you lay money on nadal as a favorite against joker the way he has dominated him and has a gameplan against him. If you remember those 2 clay tournaments last year where joker steamrolled nadal he didnt look all that impressive leading in and stepped it up when it mattered.

jjgold · 04-21-12, 01:03 PM

I would be scared to death to bet Nadal

This a huge match for him

He needs this bad to set tone for rest of year

reformed · 04-21-12, 01:43 PM

is there anything joker can do during the clay season to be favored over nadal at the french?

Demonata · 04-21-12, 03:27 PM

I prefer Nadal on clay over Djoker. Esspecially with how bad Djoker played this tournament.

MagicDiceFlow · 04-21-12, 03:37 PM

Why wont any book hang a line on this yet.....what are they scared of.

jjgold · 04-21-12, 05:12 PM

Nadal 1.78 or -128
Joker 2.20 or +120

Its going to be like that

reformed · 04-21-12, 05:22 PM

i agree that if nadal does not win tomorrow he is not ever beating joker in a masters or slam.

jjgold · 04-21-12, 05:37 PM

Should be great

Top Flight shit here

tenbas · 04-22-12, 12:47 AM

I hope he will be mentally prepared. He should be, he is one of the best at his job.
And I think he realises that there will be plenty of time for mourning after the match.
People around him should prepare him for that.

Therefore I believe it will be a really nice match for trading - I expect at least couple of swings.

3/2012 ATP Australian Open (AUS)	Hard	Novak Djokovic	Rafael Nadal	5-7 6-4 6-2 6-7(5) 7-5	Final	1.68	-	2.15
35/2011 ATP U.S. Open (USA)	Hard	Novak Djokovic	Rafael Nadal	6-2 6-4 6-7(3) 6-1	Final	1.49	-	2.6
25/2011 ATP Wimbledon (GBR)	Grass	Novak Djokovic	Rafael Nadal	6-4 6-1 1-6 6-3	Final	2.35	-	1.58
19/2011 ATP Rome (ITA)	Clay	Novak Djokovic	Rafael Nadal	6-4 6-4	Final	2.86	-	1.41	$
18/2011 ATP Madrid (ESP)	Clay	Novak Djokovic	Rafael Nadal	7-5 6-4	Final	3.34	-	1.32	$$
12/2011 ATP Miami (USA)	Hard	Novak Djokovic	Rafael Nadal	4-6 6-3 7-6(4)	Final	1.96	-	1.83
10/2011 ATP Indian Wells (USA)	Hard	Novak Djokovic	Rafael Nadal	4-6 6-3 6-2	Final	1.76	-	2.05