SF Giants will be looking for away to get out of Lincecum's Contract

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  • Sam Odom
    SBR Aristocracy
    • 10-30-05
    • 58063

    #1
    SF Giants will be looking for away to get out of Lincecum's Contract
    The Kid is history gone up in smoke
  • Monitor-Tan
    SBR MVP
    • 02-20-11
    • 4460

    #2
    What happened to him.. He was so dominant..
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    • LordVodka
      SBR Hall of Famer
      • 08-17-09
      • 5206

      #3
      Four runs already in one inning? I remember when he wouldn't give up four runs in five games combined.
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      • Sam Odom
        SBR Aristocracy
        • 10-30-05
        • 58063

        #4
        he just got a 2yr $40 million contract
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        • lunchbawks
          SBR Posting Legend
          • 01-31-10
          • 12873

          #5
          he smokes weed, maybe he smoked too much
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          • InTheDrink
            SBR Posting Legend
            • 11-23-09
            • 23983

            #6
            baseball reference has a stat pitches per start....timmeh's number is 106 over his career....cant find where how it ranks among other active pitchers but i gotta think that's high this day and age

            for comparison, verlander's career average is 95 pitchers....11 extra pitches under stress is a LOT
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            • EaglesPhan36
              SBR Aristocracy
              • 12-06-06
              • 71662

              #7
              Lincecum has had stretches like this almost ever year. Think it is getting extra attention because it's the beginning of the season.
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              • InTheDrink
                SBR Posting Legend
                • 11-23-09
                • 23983

                #8
                Originally posted by EaglesPhan36
                Lincecum has had stretches like this almost ever year. Think it is getting extra attention because it's the beginning of the season.

                not where his fastball is barely hitting 90mph
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                • BoutDemCowboys
                  SBR MVP
                  • 10-28-11
                  • 1897

                  #9
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                  • BoutDemCowboys
                    SBR MVP
                    • 10-28-11
                    • 1897

                    #10
                    Question for you all.... I dont know how many are into fantasy baseball, but he is on my team. Should I trade him now, or hope he regains his composure? I'm stuck in between a rock and a hard place here..........
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                    • EaglesPhan36
                      SBR Aristocracy
                      • 12-06-06
                      • 71662

                      #11
                      Pitchers get that dead arm period a lot early in the year. Unless he's still stuck on low velocity at the end of the month, I wouldn't be overly concerned. Certainly better ways to start a season, but it is what it is.
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                      • EaglesPhan36
                        SBR Aristocracy
                        • 12-06-06
                        • 71662

                        #12
                        Originally posted by BoutDemCowboys
                        Question for you all.... I dont know how many are into fantasy baseball, but he is on my team. Should I trade him now, or hope he regains his composure? I'm stuck in between a rock and a hard place here..........
                        Panic mode won't yield you much right now. No one is going to give you good value for what he's really worth. I'd hang tough personally.
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                        • HoulihansTX
                          BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                          • 02-12-09
                          • 30566

                          #13
                          Trade him, and pick up Lance Lynn/Cahill/Peavy
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                          • slambam
                            SBR MVP
                            • 02-07-10
                            • 1653

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Sam Odom
                            he just got a 2yr $40 million contract
                            At least it's only 2 years.
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                            • bobby heenan
                              SBR MVP
                              • 03-20-09
                              • 4120

                              #15
                              Originally posted by slambam
                              At least it's only 2 years.
                              so true...you arent saddled with john lackey over there
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                              • seaborneq
                                SBR Posting Legend
                                • 09-08-06
                                • 22556

                                #16
                                Three starts is not a career. Giants shouldn't overreact and neither should your fantasy team.
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                                • pacocn
                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                  • 07-05-10
                                  • 12934

                                  #17
                                  The book on Timeee has been get to him early and teams are doing just
                                  that. He will turn it around.
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                                  • Rich Boy
                                    SBR Hall of Famer
                                    • 02-01-09
                                    • 9714

                                    #18
                                    This looks like 2010 all over again
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                                    • jbart28
                                      SBR MVP
                                      • 04-16-11
                                      • 3387

                                      #19
                                      His velocity started going down at the end of last year. He relies on perfect, well timed mechanics in order to get max value which he needs to be at 92-95. If one thing is wrong with his delivery his velocity will be down.

                                      His arm slot is inconsistent and his release point is not getting over top of his body for max leverage.

                                      BUT HERE IS MY PREDICTION. TIM LINCECUM HAS A TORN ULNER COLLATERAL LIGAMENT AND WILL NEED TOMMY JOHN SURGERY BY THE ALL STAR BREAK. I THINK HE IS PITCHING WITH A TEAR RIGHT NOW.

                                      I had to same problems he is having right now. lack of command, just enough loss in velocity but not too much where you arent totally ineffective. The stability of the elbow is in jeopardy. U heard it here first
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                                      • Jutzu
                                        SBR Wise Guy
                                        • 11-24-10
                                        • 949

                                        #20
                                        Timmy will reach 93-95 mph on his fastball by May, I believe he's a slow starter but a great finisher
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                                        • Marigold HD
                                          SBR Hall of Famer
                                          • 09-03-07
                                          • 5053

                                          #21
                                          Nice post Jbart
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                                          • neverstoppers23
                                            SBR Hall of Famer
                                            • 11-26-09
                                            • 6302

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by Monitor-Tan
                                            What happened to him.. He was so dominant..
                                            small body frame, and one of the worst deliveries in the game putting pressure on that small body frame. wearing him down faster then most pitchers.

                                            mlb contracts are almost impossible to get out of though so I don't know what you mean by Giants are trying to get out of it
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                                            • neverstoppers23
                                              SBR Hall of Famer
                                              • 11-26-09
                                              • 6302

                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by jbart28
                                              His velocity started going down at the end of last year. He relies on perfect, well timed mechanics in order to get max value which he needs to be at 92-95. If one thing is wrong with his delivery his velocity will be down.

                                              His arm slot is inconsistent and his release point is not getting over top of his body for max leverage.

                                              BUT HERE IS MY PREDICTION. TIM LINCECUM HAS A TORN ULNER COLLATERAL LIGAMENT AND WILL NEED TOMMY JOHN SURGERY BY THE ALL STAR BREAK. I THINK HE IS PITCHING WITH A TEAR RIGHT NOW.

                                              I had to same problems he is having right now. lack of command, just enough loss in velocity but not too much where you arent totally ineffective. The stability of the elbow is in jeopardy. U heard it here first
                                              That doesn't make much sense to me, on why the guy would be so stupid to put his whole career in jeopardy by pitching through a tear. From every case I ever heard pitchers know on the exact pitch that tore it.
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                                              • jbart28
                                                SBR MVP
                                                • 04-16-11
                                                • 3387

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by neverstoppers23
                                                That doesn't make much sense to me, on why the guy would be so stupid to put his whole career in jeopardy by pitching through a tear. From every case I ever heard pitchers know on the exact pitch that tore it.
                                                He doesnt know he has it yet. These ucl and mcl tears start with bone spurs and or tendinitis usually. Rarely is it one violent pitch that does it. It is through a large sample size of improper mechanics that leads to it.

                                                Strasburg- same thing. His landing is out in front of his arm causing serious strain on the elbow as it fights to catch up and get over the body. Lincecum will have an MRI soon watch.

                                                When ace after ace blows an elbow from the same biomechanical flaw, Tommy John surgery keeps them in the game. But science, not the scalpel, is the real solution, writes Lindsay Berra in ESPN The Magazine. Too bad few MLB teams are paying attention.


                                                take a look at this if you get a chance.
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                                                • jbart28
                                                  SBR MVP
                                                  • 04-16-11
                                                  • 3387

                                                  #25
                                                  I have extensive knowledge of this because I had Tommy John when I was in the minors. It would take too long to long to type everything regarding the discovery phase of finding the tear which isnt always easy, to the actual surgery, rehab, mental challenges of letting your arm go after full rehab, etc.
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                                                  • EVPlus
                                                    SBR MVP
                                                    • 04-07-12
                                                    • 1111

                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by jbart28
                                                    I have extensive knowledge of this because I had Tommy John when I was in the minors. It would take too long to long to type everything regarding the discovery phase of finding the tear which isnt always easy, to the actual surgery, rehab, mental challenges of letting your arm go after full rehab, etc.
                                                    This is true. Many many many people have micro tears that they are not aware of. But most of those people don't have to throw a baseball repeatedly for a living. Pitching a baseball over head is one of the most traumatic things you can do to your shoulder and elbow. Underhand motion (women's softball) is much much easier. It has to do with how the shoulder functions.

                                                    If he and his team suspect this, a check up is in order. The possibilty of a micro tear certainly does effect how I will be capping games he's pitching.
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                                                    • jbart28
                                                      SBR MVP
                                                      • 04-16-11
                                                      • 3387

                                                      #27
                                                      When I had my diagnosis it was in college and I was sent to UMASS Medical Center in Springfield to see Dr. Pappas who was the red sox doctor. He missed the tear and said I only had tendinitis and a bone spur. LOL.

                                                      So I kept pitching since I was on scholarship and did ultra sound and muscle stim and took some anti inflammatory stuff. I was still around 88-91 but command was way off and recovery time between starts was longer.

                                                      It wasnt until I reached the minors that I was referred to Duke University and had a MRI and that revealed nothing. But then I did an MRI-arthrogram and they inserted the die and found the tear. The doctor took my palmarus longus tendon from my wrist and drilled the elbow and used the tendon as a ligament replacement. I basically had to learn to throw all over again. It was very humbling and a long road back.
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                                                      • stuck621
                                                        SBR Wise Guy
                                                        • 09-08-09
                                                        • 861

                                                        #28
                                                        Theyre probably gonna move cain to the starting position and put lincy at third come playoff time
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                                                        • Sam Odom
                                                          SBR Aristocracy
                                                          • 10-30-05
                                                          • 58063

                                                          #29
                                                          Should Giants be worried about Tim Lincecum?

                                                          Tim Lincecum, on the other hand, is making San Francisco Giants fans increasingly worried.

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                                                          • freeVICK
                                                            SBR Hall of Famer
                                                            • 01-21-08
                                                            • 7114

                                                            #30
                                                            He was def overused as a youngster. Showing signs of that now
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                                                            • konck
                                                              SBR Posting Legend
                                                              • 10-17-06
                                                              • 12554

                                                              #31
                                                              Could be another Bird
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                                                              • cohbull
                                                                SBR Wise Guy
                                                                • 04-28-07
                                                                • 536

                                                                #32
                                                                Still rather have him over Zito...
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                                                                • EVPlus
                                                                  SBR MVP
                                                                  • 04-07-12
                                                                  • 1111

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by jbart28
                                                                  When I had my diagnosis it was in college and I was sent to UMASS Medical Center in Springfield to see Dr. Pappas who was the red sox doctor. He missed the tear and said I only had tendinitis and a bone spur. LOL.

                                                                  So I kept pitching since I was on scholarship and did ultra sound and muscle stim and took some anti inflammatory stuff. I was still around 88-91 but command was way off and recovery time between starts was longer.

                                                                  It wasnt until I reached the minors that I was referred to Duke University and had a MRI and that revealed nothing. But then I did an MRI-arthrogram and they inserted the die and found the tear. The doctor took my palmarus longus tendon from my wrist and drilled the elbow and used the tendon as a ligament replacement. I basically had to learn to throw all over again. It was very humbling and a long road back.
                                                                  That's a disgrace the Red Sox team doc misdiagnosed you. People put medical doctors on pedestals but these fools fukk up just like anyone else. Just goes to show the importance of a second opinion.

                                                                  And MRIs are only as good as the person who reads them.

                                                                  BOL with your health and wagering.
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                                                                  • jjgold
                                                                    SBR Aristocracy
                                                                    • 07-20-05
                                                                    • 388179

                                                                    #34
                                                                    I think Barty knows what he is talking about

                                                                    Lincy could be done

                                                                    Never bet on him
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                                                                    • Samfourteen
                                                                      SBR High Roller
                                                                      • 02-18-12
                                                                      • 239

                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by BoutDemCowboys
                                                                      Question for you all.... I dont know how many are into fantasy baseball, but he is on my team. Should I trade him now, or hope he regains his composure? I'm stuck in between a rock and a hard place here..........
                                                                      After his rough start he probably has little or no value. If he could win a couple of games then you might get better return. IMO
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