pags is about to post his plays already guys...

[fiveteamer]

my ****ing dick is getting hard just thinking about it.

i cant ****ing wait.

HURRY PAGS.

[BeatTheJerk]

whats his record thusfar ?

[fiveteamer]

who cares BTJ?

guy is like sam rothstein.

did you know sam always got +100 on his lines?

just like pags. sam ALWAYS got the best number, ALWAYS.

guy is unnnnfkkkkkinreall.

[BeatTheJerk]

how do u know what number he exactly gets if he doesn't show his actual ticket .................

[BeatTheJerk]

does he have a spreadsheet ?

[fiveteamer]

BTJ stop questioning pags!!!!!

[BeatTheJerk]

ok ok

[Tsoprano]

how do u know what number he exactly gets if he doesn't show his actual ticket .................

Good question

[MonkeyF0cker]

Are you jealous, fiveteamer? What exactly is the point of this thread? To try to discredit a proven, successful capper? You could certainly take a lesson from your pal, Richkas. He tried to discredit pags as well and look at what shape he's in. You can certainly do the accounting on his plays at -110, if you'd like to. Not really sure why you should give a shit how he grades his own plays...

[dave11486]

Questioning is a good thing, acting like a child on an adult forum is a bad thing.

[fiveteamer]

are you his publicist?

why do you care what I care about.

[SlickFazzer]

Summary of this thread...

[MonkeyF0cker]

Because I'm tired of you fvcking idiots running off decent cappers from this board. Pretty simple concept, genius.

[Tsoprano]

Good cappers should also be professional and deal with a few critics here and there. You dont see professional athletes killing fans who boo them right? So why should a good capper run. I would think they would enjoy these threads as its just more forum publicity.

[MonkeyF0cker]

Cappers don't have to uphold a public image. They have no monetary gain from posting their plays unless they want to go tout, which pags certainly doesn't. BIG DIFFERENCE, TSoprano.

[I.R.B]

Good cappers should also be professional and deal with a few critics here and there. You dont see professional athletes killing fans who boo them right? So why should a good capper run. I would think they would enjoy these threads as its just more forum publicity.

[Wheell]

Last week Pags listed Oklahoma -17 +105.

Now, Matchbook is a funky place. Stuff happens there, particularly in unpopulated markets. However, as far as I know Pinnacle had not dropped the game below 17.5 at the time of the posting and did not drop it to 17 at any time after.

Maybe he's a sharp capper. Maybe he's a guy that notes the openers, tracks which games jumped across key points, and then lists those plays as his own. If Iowa opened up at +7.5 and was immediatly knocked down to 7, you can be sure that it is a certified "Pags play."

I know I would take action on this line:

Legit Capper -110
Steam Chaser/Full of it -110

Either way, this is the important thing:

IT DOESN'T MATTER.

Let me say that again, and then explain it:

IT DOESN'T MATTER

What matters is this:

How will his picks do against widely available numbers at the time of his posting? If Pags took +7.5 -105 the best you can find is +7 -118 at matchbook, should you take it?

If Pags took +8 -102 and you have to lay -110, should you take it?

That is the question with his picks, and you know what? This is the kind of question we can answer, albiet with imperfect precision. Simply test his sides against the closing numbers. If he took +9 and it went off as + 7.5, log it as +7.5 and see what vig on average you could beat.

I don't make it a point to bet with or against Pags. I do my own handicapping. However, a lot of people DO tail Pags.

Let me close with this. The number Pags got DOES NOT MATTER. What matters is whether or not you will make money tailing him at the best number YOU can get.

Edit: Oklahoma St. -17 +105, not Oklahoma. Sorry for any confusion.

[BuddyBear]

Good cappers should also be professional and deal with a few critics here and there. You dont see professional athletes killing fans who boo them right? So why should a good capper run. I would think they would enjoy these threads as its just more forum publicity.

Maybe b/c he does not get paid millions of dollars might be the obvious reason why he does not have to put up with it like a professional athlete does.

More importantly, he does not have anything to prove to anyone on here. Posting your plays on a gaming forum for all your peers to see if the riskiest thing you can do. His entire credibility is on the line week in and week out. The funny thing is that he wins EVERY year. Let me say that again so that you can understand. The guy posts his plays and posts winners year in and year out. What more would anyone else want out of him. You guys knock him all the time--for what reason I am not quite sure--but you see nothing wrong with giving guys like JJgold, Rickas, Nicky S, Daggerkobe, etc... all this attention and yet those guys are losing gamblers.

He does not mind disagreement with his plays, in fact he expects it, but he does not appreciate the constant harrassment he receives. Just because he is an elite handicapper and other guys are jealous b/c they can't cut it in this business, does not mean that everyone has to hate him.

Cut the guy some slack. He does this recreationally and is successful at it. Can he help it if he is successful. We are lucky to have him even posting here. And to top it off, the guy is exceptionally nice. He responds to everyone in his threads....what really more do you want out of a poster.

[BuddyBear]

Last week Pags listed Oklahoma -17 +105.

Now, Matchbook is a funky place. Stuff happens there, particularly in unpopulated markets. However, as far as I know Pinnacle had not dropped the game below 17.5 at the time of the posting and did not drop it to 17 at any time after.

Maybe he's a sharp capper. Maybe he's a guy that notes the openers, tracks which games jumped across key points, and then lists those plays as his own. If Iowa opened up at +7.5 and was immediatly knocked down to 7, you can be sure that it is a certified "Pags play."

I know I would take action on this line:

Legit Capper -110
Steam Chaser/Full of it -110

Either way, this is the important thing:

IT DOESN'T MATTER.

Let me say that again, and then explain it:

IT DOESN'T MATTER

What matters is this:

How will his picks do against widely available numbers at the time of his posting? If Pags took +7.5 -105 the best you can find is +7 -118 at matchbook, should you take it?

If Pags took +8 -102 and you have to lay -110, should you take it?

That is the question with his picks, and you know what? This is the kind of question we can answer, albiet with imperfect precision. Simply test his sides against the closing numbers. If he took +9 and it went off as + 7.5, log it as +7.5 and see what vig on average you could beat.

I don't make it a point to bet with or against Pags. I do my own handicapping. However, a lot of people DO tail Pags.

Let me close with this. The number Pags got DOES NOT MATTER. What matters is whether or not you will make money tailing him at the best number YOU can get.

He gets the best number. I've been on the phone with him on several occassions as soon as the line comes up. He waits for the lines to come up every Sunday afternoon. He has his own lines set late Saturday night and into Sunday morning. He gets about 3 or 4 hours of sleep between Saturday and Sunday. When he sees a discrepancy in his projected line with the books' line he plays it as he sees fit.

Just b/c you guys don't get the best number does not mean that he did not.

[I.R.B]

Pags is a good capper and should get more respect but he fuk'd with the wrong person.. You should no who that is... after that he was domed...

[accuscoresucks]

i am mr.consistancy just follow my coat tails
boys i am the real deal how many x must it be said/this is my living income
29/38 winning weeks no reason the newbies or regular action guys shouldnt be making money

[Tsoprano]

Maybe b/c he does not get paid millions of dollars might be the obvious reason why he does not have to put up with it like a professional athlete does.

No you stupid fuk.

Anyone who is considered a "professional" in any line of work should be able to deal with some critics. Its what goes along with the term "professional". You have said time and time again, Pags loves what he does, he works hard at it, and is a great capper.

Im sure he is a great capper, but if he is as dedicated as you say he is, the fact that hes not getting paid millions like pro athletes do should not determine his decision making, as it is his passion.

[MonkeyF0cker]

The fact of the matter is, he isn't professional in the sense that he gets paid to post his plays. No idea how you think that's a relevant correlation. For all the idiots who give him flack, it would certainly be easy for him to just not post them anymore...

[Tsoprano]

I would be very embarassed if I had someone defend me 24/7 like Buddy Bear does for Pags. This whole time he's probably typing up another giant response, even though I have no problem & repect pags' work.

Defending a friend is great, but the extent Buddy Bear chooses to play lawyer gets a little ridiculous & creepy. (And just keeps the thread going, creating more drama surrounding Pags)

[LVHerbie]

Last week Pags listed Oklahoma -17 +105.

Now, Matchbook is a funky place. Stuff happens there, particularly in unpopulated markets. However, as far as I know Pinnacle had not dropped the game below 17.5 at the time of the posting and did not drop it to 17 at any time after.

Maybe he's a sharp capper. Maybe he's a guy that notes the openers, tracks which games jumped across key points, and then lists those plays as his own. If Iowa opened up at +7.5 and was immediatly knocked down to 7, you can be sure that it is a certified "Pags play."

I know I would take action on this line:

Legit Capper -110
Steam Chaser/Full of it -110

Either way, this is the important thing:

IT DOESN'T MATTER.

Let me say that again, and then explain it:

IT DOESN'T MATTER

What matters is this:

How will his picks do against widely available numbers at the time of his posting? If Pags took +7.5 -105 the best you can find is +7 -118 at matchbook, should you take it?

If Pags took +8 -102 and you have to lay -110, should you take it?

That is the question with his picks, and you know what? This is the kind of question we can answer, albiet with imperfect precision. Simply test his sides against the closing numbers. If he took +9 and it went off as + 7.5, log it as +7.5 and see what vig on average you could beat.

I don't make it a point to bet with or against Pags. I do my own handicapping. However, a lot of people DO tail Pags.

Let me close with this. The number Pags got DOES NOT MATTER. What matters is whether or not you will make money tailing him at the best number YOU can get.

I believe he was on OklaSt (which is what I assuming you meant)... I don't know about during the week but I got -17 on Friday night / Saturday morning... I don't follow pags plays (although I should as I haven't had a winning week yet this year), but I do like reading his write ups and I keep in mind that he obviously bets his games very earlier... sometimes that number is available late but, because he bets alot of dogs, you can often find a better number late as well...

Although I do agree anyone who blindly follows anyone else regardless of the number probably isn't a winning player...

[alexda[]]

what was the point of this thread? if ur talking shit on pags post ur plays and compare it at the end of the season. its all these kids who joined a couple months ago and have 3000+ posts that are gonna drive him off. we'd rather have pags helpful, informative posts than ur pointless shit trying to talk to ur online friends cuz u dont have any real life ones. stop talking about him and leave him alone.
and for tsoprano he says hes a recreational gambler in his posts. he doesnt get paid for posting so y would he continue to when he gets ppl talking shit to him and idiots making posts about him when he can just cap his own games...win money and not have to worry about it

[bettilimbroke999]

If he wants to post that he takes heads at +120 and the best you can get it is -110 let him, who gives a fuk, at the end of the year you'll be down 10% and he'll be up 20%

[daggerkobe]

Good thing he doesn't post on Covers because he wouldn't get away with half the things he pulls here. This is a safe haven for him, what with his delusional worshippers defending him like he's god or something.

People wouldn't worry about "chasing away good cappers" if they would friggin learn to cap themselves and not become spoon fed vegetables. This is why scammers constantly use public boards as a stepping stone to their tout careers. Get a bunch of people to depend on them for picks and info, then BOOM start charging.

Seriously, you can read better writeups on dozens of websites such as ESPN, Sportsline, etc. All he does is plagiarize them anyways.

If a .500 capper is considered the best of the best then this board would be a joke.

[BuddyBear]

No you stupid fuk.

Anyone who is considered a "professional" in any line of work should be able to deal with some critics. Its what goes along with the term "professional". You have said time and time again, Pags loves what he does, he works hard at it, and is a great capper.

Im sure he is a great capper, but if he is as dedicated as you say he is, the fact that hes not getting paid millions like pro athletes do should not determine his decision making, as it is his passion.

Terrific logic Tsoprano. I can't believe I was so blind to it beforehand. Now I see. Because professional athletes have to deal with public criticism on a routine basis, well so should gaming forum posters. Let's go ahead and extend that same logic and apply it to shall we say everyone.

NEW CONSTITUTIONAL RULE BY TSPORANO: Since professional athletes deal with public criticism on a regular basis, everyone should also have to deal with public criticism even if it is neither appropriate nor rationale.


Hello moron....Pags is not a professional gambler. He has never pretended to be either and is very upfront about his betting style/efforts.

And let's see, what criticisms do we have of Pags?

1) He gets his bets with + juice and I get mine with -110 so he must be lying or deliberately misleading us.

Okay, read his writeup before the season started as to how he does this. He has a group of investors who he works with who have agreed to the rules he has set forth. He bets the opening lines on Bookmaker. After that he bets the same games at Matchbook taking the best line of the two with the best juice. The deal is he makes the picks for his investors, but he gets the best number and/or juice.

And to placate your dumb fvcks even though he should not have, he has decided only to post his plays in a way that appeases the most mentally impaired on here, this way nobody can call him a cheat/liar.

2) He lies about his record and units won/lost.

All his plays are posted for the entire gaming forum world to see. He risks his reputation week in and week out. Everything is documented. Which is far more than we can say about almost everyone else.

3) He spams the board.

Considering over 90% of his posts are in the NCAAF section and almost nothing in the Players Talk section (which incidentally is all spam) he is one of the few who is not spamming. Then again, starting a thread to note that the same guy had caught a homerun ball two nights in a row at Yankee Stadium is somehow a worthy and useful thread that the entire gaming forum community should be made aware of seems a much more important use of bandwidth. Moreoever, his high post count is a direct result of all the people who ask him questions/comments, etc... about his plays.

How is this thread not spam? What did Pags do to this poster that he felt so compelled to start this pointless thread? Find me an instance where Pags attacked him or said something to him....but this is what happens time and time again. Posters get jealous b/c he is a winner and they are losers. You take it out on the winners and remain bitter b/c you can't be a winner. Instead of focusing your energy on attacking Pags and developing useless threads like this, focus on becoming a better bettor.

You guys should be really really embarrassed of yourselves who are attacking him.

And of course, SBR has no shame in allowing a thread like this to persist. It won't be the last either. Where are the mods in all this? Can anyone even justify this thread?

[BuddyBear]

Good thing he doesn't post on Covers because he wouldn't get away with half the things he pulls here. This is a safe haven for him, what with his delusional worshippers defending him like he's god or something.

People wouldn't worry about "chasing away good cappers" if they would friggin learn to cap themselves and not become spoon fed vegetables. This is why scammers constantly use public boards as a stepping stone to their tout careers. Get a bunch of people to depend on them for picks and info, then BOOM start charging.

Seriously, you can read better writeups on dozens of websites such as ESPN, Sportsline, etc. All he does is plagiarize them anyways.

If a .500 capper is considered the best of the best then this board would be a joke.

He has over 50,000 posts at Covers moron....

Yeah you are right that he is a .500 capper, Yeah, except he has a winning year every single year he has posted on here and elsewhere.

[BuddyBear]

I would be very embarassed if I had someone defend me 24/7 like Buddy Bear does for Pags. This whole time he's probably typing up another giant response, even though I have no problem & repect pags' work.

Defending a friend is great, but the extent Buddy Bear chooses to play lawyer gets a little ridiculous & creepy. (And just keeps the thread going, creating more drama surrounding Pags)

It's called justice.

[durito]

Cappers don't have to uphold a public image. They have no monetary gain from posting their plays unless they want to go tout, which pags certainly doesn't. BIG DIFFERENCE, TSoprano.

It's all about what is more important to someone.

Making money or attention on an internet forum.


Personally I chose money every time.

[daggerkobe]

50,000 posts? And that's suppose to be impressive, how?

I'll bet 90% of those posts are whining about other posters and thanking his girlfriend (you) for your blind support.

Yes, .510 is a winning season.

Dime a dozen.

[durito]

you can get those #'s at matchbook around open if you are only looking to match $37.50

[Tsoprano]

It's called justice.

Buddybear, get out of there, you need some fresh air.