You're right, he's not the average joe. He does however have no chance really to win the fight. +500 is even generous odds on him winning in my opinion. I wouldn't touch Cotto until at least +800 or +1,000. He's definitely not going to win this fight. Hate on Mayweather all you want, he takes this easily and without much issue.
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My bad, not directing that at you, at others in this thread.
Alright, I'll bite. Do you have any reasons other than the feeling for believing that? (if you don't that's fine, sometimes you just get that feeling.) I just feel like Cotto literally has NO advantages, is on weak legs, and never had the heart one needs to fight someone like Mayweather.Comment -
I wouldn't say Cotto has no advantages.
He's a harder puncher and has a power advantage over Floyd.
That being said, we all know how hard Floyd is to hit.
On top of that, Floyd is a tremendous counter-puncher.
He's going to make Cotto pay for every single mistake he makes and Miguel needs to be aware of that.
Cotto needs to find a way to open Floyd up for his power shots.
The only way I see him doing that is if he really goes after the body.
Now, normally I would say there's no chance in Hell that happens, but I've been concerned with Floyd's last couple of fights.
First, I am concerned that Floyd seems to be much more willing to stand and trade now than he has been in the past.
We saw him do this against both Shane Mosley and Victor Ortiz.
The prime Floyd Mayweather of past years would never have gotten rocked by a Shane Mosley right the way he did. He would never have let that happen.
I was also not encouraged by the Victor Ortiz fight.
Going into that fight, I was expecting absolute domination by Floyd.
Instead, I came away more impressed at Victor Ortiz's ability to hang with a fighter of Mayweather's caliber.
Miguel Cotto represents a challenge far greater than a washed up Mosley, or an in-over-his-head Ortiz.
If Floyd is off his game, there is no doubt Cotto has the ability to win this fight and shock the world.
Now, am I expecting that? Of course not.
Would I be shocked if it happened? No.Comment -
im pretty sure it was you....weve had this before......but what fight were you watching where you thought victor was hanging in there with floyd?
floyd was dominating this fight....landing lead right hands at will....dominating compubox(even those numbers werent fully painting the pic of how dominate because floyd was only pawing the jab as a measure)....
vics right eye was starting to swell up....ortiz was frustrated and taking punishment...the headbutt was a clear sign he wanted out of the fight....he couldnt do anything to floyd by boxing or even trying to brawl.....a guy who is "hanging in there" with someone like floyd isnt looking for a way out....ortiz clearly didnt want to be in there anymoreComment -
Floyd was winning the fight, yes. However, Ortiz was hanging with him and starting to apply himself.
The fact is, we don't know what would have happened if that fight continued.
For as much as Floyd was winning the fight, he was unable to seriously hurt Ortiz.
Being frustrated does not necessarily mean that that the guy wanted out of the fight.
On the contrary, Ortiz was pressing him in that round and was being the aggressor.
If anything, the case can be made that it was Floyd who wanted out of the fight by cheap shotting him the way he did and ending the fight in the manner it ended.
In any case, the fact is that Miguel Cotto represents a much bigger threat than Victor Ortiz.Comment -
you dont have to visibly hurt a guy to be punishing him or hurting him.....floyds punches are fast and accurate...that equals power....he doesnt display that raw one punch, sit down on em, power......but he lands accurate and crisp punches....just because you didnt see vics knees buckle or him having to cover up against the ropes doesnt mean he wasnt feeling each shot that went right through his guard(which was quite a few).....ortiz was pressing....but he wasnt landing ...and thats when he got really frustrated.....
if u you dont think that headbutt was a desperate cry...i dunno what to tell you...he knew he couldnt do anything to floyd via boxing....so he winged his head at him to try and catch him.....ortiz saw the writing on the wall....it was actually only going to get worse for him.....he couldnt do anything to stop floyd from hitting him when he wanted to.....and he could barely land anything...even when he pushed him against the ropes and threw 6 or 7 punches....he wasnt getting floyd......Comment -
Floyd is accurate and he does land crisp punches. However, Ortiz was not seriously hurt at any point in the fight.
The headbutt wasn't a cry to get him out of the fight. It was done to hurt Floyd and born out of frustration.
The fact is, we don't know what the outcome would have been had the fight continued, especially given the fact that Ortiz has knockout power in either hand.
Saying anything other than we don't know what would have happened, is just pure speculation.Comment -
Exactly. Ortiz wasn't even coming on in those rounds too, its when Floyd settled and started doing some nice work. Floyd was coming forward and hitting him with combos, not just single shots. He tagged him, then taunted him and Ortiz got mad and started swinging wildly, missing each time while Floyd was smiling in his face. Then the headbutt.
If you were sparring someone and getting touched up like Ortiz was the coach would just say thats enough. But this is a prizefight and thye can't do that so Ortiz either had to suffer a painful and humiliating 12 round beating or start looking for another way out.Comment -
it was definitley more likely to get worse for ortiz than it was for it to get better for him
do you think all of the sudden ortiz was gonna make some great adjustments to stop getting hit in the face at will by floyd? do u think he was going to magically start landing punches and winning rounds? even if he landed a big shot on floyd....weve seen floyd keep his head and survive a big shot
i ask again...what does floyd not seriously hurting ortiz have to do with anything????
the headbutt was absolutely in frustration...cant land...cant stop from getting landed on.....zab tried the same shit on floyd with a lowblow...it was out of frustration
again...it was way more likely the rest of the fight would have played out like the first 4 rounds....than it was that ortiz was going to make some adjustments and turn it around
the butt was done because he knew he wasnt( and wasnt going to be able to) do anything to floyd through boxing....so he wanted to try and muck it up and give himself an advantage by cutting floyd or breaking his nose.....thats looking for a way out imoComment -
Anyone who is a pro and wants Cotto I will post a special for you that will pay better than book odds as fight day approaches.Comment -
most of what we do here is speculation my friend
but you know what i said is true
based on what we know about both fighters....and their class....its safe to make the assumption i did....but well never know cause vic got the ultimate taste of his own medicine(except the taste floyd gave out was legal)Comment -
"The fact is, we don't know what the outcome would have been had the fight continued, especially given the fact that Ortiz has knockout power in either hand.
Saying anything other than we don't know what would have happened, is just pure speculation."
you started the speculation by talking about 'what if the fight went on'...cause it didnt...we have 4 rounds and a ko to go by...thats it........
but you wanted to talk about 'we dont know if the fight went on...cause ortiz has power in both hands'
yep...and he wasnt hitting floyd with either of em....and he wasnt using those hands to stop floyd from popping him in the face repeatedly......so if were going to speculate about what if the fight went on....i think its safer to assume more of the same rather than a dramatic turnaround based on what we know about both fighters
or we could just stick to the 4 rounds we did see....but then again youll just talk about "well floyd was not hurting ortiz"...lolComment -
i often wonder what fight people are watching...people, who hate on floyd, often see things the rest of the world doesnt...
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Is anyone going to this fight? I was looking at tickets todayComment -
Cotto has no chance of winning this fight.Comment -
I didn't start the speculation. Floyd did by choosing to end the fight the way he did.
Actually, Ortiz was hitting hitting Floyd with more and better shots in that 4th round.
He was starting to apply himself.
Again, the bottom line is we'll never know for sure.
On top of that, we're getting away from the original point of this thread.
Miguel Cotto.Comment
