Ron Paul Email regarding the Bailout SPEAK OUT NOW! STOP THE BAILOUT!

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  • topgame85
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    • 03-30-08
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    Ron Paul Email regarding the Bailout SPEAK OUT NOW! STOP THE BAILOUT!
    Wednesday, September 24, 2008

    Dear Friends,

    Whenever a Great Bipartisan Consensus is announced, and a compliant media assures everyone that the wondrous actions of our wise leaders are being taken for our own good, you can know with absolute certainty that disaster is about to strike.

    The events of the past week are no exception.

    The bailout package that is about to be rammed down Congress' throat is not just economically foolish. It is downright sinister. It makes a mockery of our Constitution, which our leaders should never again bother pretending is still in effect. It promises the American people a never-ending nightmare of ever-greater debt liabilities they will have to shoulder. Two weeks ago, financial analyst Jim Rogers said the bailout of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac made America more communist than China! "This is welfare for the rich," he said. "This is socialism for the rich. It's bailing out the financiers, the banks, the Wall Streeters."

    That describes the current bailout package to a T. And we're being told it's unavoidable.

    The claim that the market caused all this is so staggeringly foolish that only politicians and the media could pretend to believe it. But that has become the conventional wisdom, with the desired result that those responsible for the credit bubble and its predictable consequences - predictable, that is, to those who understand sound, Austrian economics - are being let off the hook. The Federal Reserve System is actually positioning itself as the savior, rather than the culprit, in this mess!

    • The Treasury Secretary is authorized to purchase up to $700 billion in mortgage-related assets at any one time. That means $700 billion is only the very beginning of what will hit us.

    • Financial institutions are "designated as financial agents of the Government." This is the New Deal to end all New Deals.

    • Then there's this: "Decisions by the Secretary pursuant to the authority of this Act are non-reviewable and committed to agency discretion, and may not be reviewed by any court of law or any administrative agency." Translation: the Secretary can buy up whatever junk debt he wants to, burden the American people with it, and be subject to no one in the process.

    There goes your country.

    Even some so-called free-market economists are calling all this "sadly necessary." Sad, yes. Necessary? Don't make me laugh.

    Our one-party system is complicit in yet another crime against the American people. The two major party candidates for president themselves initially indicated their strong support for bailouts of this kind - another example of the big choice we're supposedly presented with this November: yes or yes. Now, with a backlash brewing, they're not quite sure what their views are. A sad display, really.

    Although the present bailout package is almost certainly not the end of the political atrocities we'll witness in connection with the crisis, time is short. Congress may vote as soon as tomorrow. With a Rasmussen poll finding support for the bailout at an anemic seven percent, some members of Congress are afraid to vote for it. Call them! Let them hear from you! Tell them you will never vote for anyone who supports this atrocity.

    The issue boils down to this: do we care about freedom? Do we care about responsibility and accountability? Do we care that our government and media have been bought and paid for? Do we care that average Americans are about to be looted in order to subsidize the fattest of cats on Wall Street and in government? Do we care?

    When the chips are down, will we stand up and fight, even if it means standing up against every stripe of fashionable opinion in politics and the media?

    Times like these have a way of telling us what kind of a people we are, and what kind of country we shall be.

    In liberty,

    Ron Paul
  • pico
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    • 04-05-07
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    #2
    there is no way we can stop this. people with power also has money in the financial industry.

    ron paul is too naive
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    • topgame85
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      • 03-30-08
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      #3
      We can at least put in the effort and to call trying to rally people to save their country naive well.. I'll leave that alone can't get started don't have the time
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      • SBR Lou
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        • 08-02-07
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        #4
        But the media said it was necessary?
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        • pico
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          • 04-05-07
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          #5
          this is like bottom of the 9th, and your team is 7 runs behinds with rivera pitching. you can rally all you want, but you can't win.
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          • Sinister Cat
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            • 06-03-08
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            #6
            As much as I agree with Ron Paul's basic ideology, there's a significant problem with him, which is that he has no idea what he is talking about. He doesn't understand anything about the economy. He is a doctor but for some reason people take his views on monetary and fiscal policy as gospel. He speaks confidently, I guess that is enough for some.

            no offense to Ron Paul supporters. I just don't understand why people believe the crap he says.
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            • SBR Lou
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              • 08-02-07
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              #7
              Originally posted by Sinister Cat
              As much as I agree with Ron Paul's basic ideology, there's a significant problem with him, which is that he has no idea what he is talking about. He doesn't understand anything about the economy. He is a doctor but for some reason people take his views on monetary and fiscal policy as gospel. He speaks confidently, I guess that is enough for some.

              no offense to Ron Paul supporters. I just don't understand why people believe the crap he says.
              Well, can you make a valid case opposing his views on the bailout though?
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              • topgame85
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                • 03-30-08
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                #8
                If he can i would like to hear it, this is just like the great consensus on the stimulus package that got pushed through to try and help the economy, that huge additional defecit has really turned the economy around hasn't it? HELL NO This is a joke these people gambled and lost when you gamble and lose will the government bail you out HELL NO they don't even want you to be able to gamble with your OWN MONEY but they get to gamble with MY tax dollars
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                • Sinister Cat
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                  • 06-03-08
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                  #9
                  His letter doesn't address the substantive issue. His argument is that it is not necessary because it doesn't fit with his political ideals, which is a non-sequitur.

                  Remember when you read his stuff that this is a guy who's stuck in the 1960s. He is totally opposed to the very existence of the Federal Reserve. Using it as a tool to do anything is to him, abhorrent.
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                  • Sinister Cat
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by topgame85
                    If he can i would like to hear it, this is just like the great consensus on the stimulus package that got pushed through to try and help the economy, that huge additional defecit has really turned the economy around hasn't it? HELL NO This is a joke these people gambled and lost when you gamble and lose will the government bail you out HELL NO they don't even want you to be able to gamble with your OWN MONEY but they get to gamble with MY tax dollars
                    the problem is that it's too late. Yes your tax dollars are going to be used to bail people out. That sucks. But you have to consider the alternative, which is more financial institutions collapsing.
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                    • fiveteamer
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                      • 04-14-08
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                      #11
                      topagame, the bailout is needed.

                      Guys at Goldman Sachs have families to feed.

                      Don't be so selfish.
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                      • Sinister Cat
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                        #12
                        I'd like to see Goldman Sachs punished as much as anyone... and I have to admit it's funny they allowed Lehman to die but then when it looked like others could be affected they step in (Paulson was with Sachs of course). unfortunately you need financial institutions to survive or else there could be a real crisis. I don't think people generally would disagree with this. And the threat is real, we've already seen it.
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                        • topgame85
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                          • 03-30-08
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                          #13
                          Haha and who is going to feed me? let the financial institutions collapse SC they took a chance and lined there pockets at the expense of the American citizen more than enough, something has to be done but not this
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                          • Willie Bee
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                            • 02-14-06
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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Sinister Cat
                            the problem is that it's too late. Yes your tax dollars are going to be used to bail people out. That sucks. But you have to consider the alternative, which is more financial institutions collapsing.
                            That action needs to be taken, I can't argue with that. But the request that this be pushed through without discussing it and without having some accountability, reporting and review in place, that's where I balk. And I don't think it's unreasonable to expect belt-tightening among the top execs at each and every institution about to be bailed out (i.e., complete forgoing of bonuses, reduction in salary, no more lavish expenses, etc) until ALL MONEY IS REPAID TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WITH INTEREST.
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                            • fiveteamer
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                              • 04-14-08
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                              #15
                              GS gave out over $20 BILLION in bonus last year to employees.

                              Now they need tax money to save business.

                              God bless the U.S.A.
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                              • topgame85
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                                • 03-30-08
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                                #16
                                Originally posted by Willie Bee
                                That action needs to be taken, I can't argue with that. But the request that this be pushed through without discussing it and without having some accountability, reporting and review in place, that's where I balk. And I don't think it's unreasonable to expect belt-tightening among the top execs at each and every institution about to be bailed out (i.e., complete forgoing of bonuses, reduction in salary, no more lavish expenses, etc) until ALL MONEY IS REPAID TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WITH INTEREST.
                                This would be all great and dandy but they are buying BAD DEBT how are they going to collect it? the companies who specialize in this can't collect is the government going to lock us up if we dont or cant pay? What incentive will these people now have to pay debts that they didn't before? are they all going to win the lottery and decide to pay off their mortgages and CC debt?
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                                • daggerkobe
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                                  • 03-25-08
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                                  #17
                                  He sounds like the nutty professor. Didn't he once sue Clinton over the Kosovo war?
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                                  • topgame85
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                                    • 03-30-08
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                                    #18
                                    Stocks surged the day this was announced but for the past two days they have plummeted and today even with the Goldman news are down even those who are in the market don't think this is going to work, at first thought seems to make sense but upon further review many reversed there position
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                                    • Willie Bee
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                                      • 02-14-06
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                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by topgame85
                                      This would be all great and dandy but they are buying BAD DEBT how are they going to collect it? the companies who specialize in this can't collect is the government going to lock us up if we dont or cant pay? What incentive will these people now have to pay debts that they didn't before? are they all going to win the lottery and decide to pay off their mortgages and CC debt?
                                      Agreed. There should also be a clause in the deal that NO DEBT is purchased at above market cost.
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                                      • topgame85
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                                        • 03-30-08
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                                        #20
                                        What I see happening is the debt being bought up and to get people to pay they will offer Creditwagering type deals hey pay us half or something along those lines to just try and re coup something and they may get back a big chunk but there are still some debts that won't be paid and huge losses on a chunk that are paid 700 billion will never be returned let alone a profit
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                                        • fiveteamer
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                                          • 04-14-08
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                                          #21
                                          How about $58 instead?
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                                          • wtf
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                                            • 08-22-08
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                                            #22
                                            this whole debacle was caused due to the bubble in property, so i assume most people had their respective properties increase 100% 200%...etc in a very short period. which basically defies the underlying economics, so now time to pay the piper.
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                                            • topgame85
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                                              • 03-30-08
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                                              #23
                                              Bush is making a speech on it tonight so if you needed more proof it was gonna crash and burn look no further than our president speaking on it, if it is simple enough for Bush to explain then it is not complex enough to fix the problem PERIOD
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                                              • Willie Bee
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                                                • 02-14-06
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                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by topgame85
                                                ...if it is simple enough for Bush to explain then it is not complex enough to fix the problem PERIOD


                                                Yes, but can he really explain it on his own? I think not.
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