So I took a bonus at a book a couple weeks ago (stupidly). I did not win a single wager on the FP bonus. Then I went all in a couple times with my original deposit and since then worked it up to about 10X what i started with. Now I really would just like to get the rollover out of the way and withdraw some money. I went on live chat and asked if it was allowed to just bet both sides of a game and pay juice. They said no because they are a recreational book and this move would not be considered 'recreational'. WHY? Isn't juice what i would lose over the long run anyways. I am basically going to gift them 200$ in juice.
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that is never allowed. You have 10x your money, just keep betting and you may win more. At the very least you would only go down to 6x and still be able to cash out $2000 or soComment -
I understand it's not allowed, but i don't understand why? I am not complaining. I am actually up a bit more because they didn't let me do that. but still only 60% done with the rolloverComment -
It curtails people (who accepted a bonus) of just doing a hit and run. The books want a chance at getting your money, not just the juice. The more people play, the better the chance they have at getting it.Comment -
How is it any different than people who scalp? I've done it before the odd time.
Hit a ML at +104, line moves a bit to the other side, hit again at +106.
Roll over done and small profit.
Book said nothing.Comment -
I honestly still don't understand why it isn't allowed. It's not like I made a couple bets and am trying to walk away with the bonus money profit. And I honestly don't remember it being stated anywhere in the rules. WTF makes it 'non-recreational'? I am basically donating back money I won anyways, and over the long run I odds say I would lose back juice anyways, isnt that how books make their money?Comment -
just get another book and scalp out (paying ur 10% juice).. u should be able to find 100s of chance to juice out 5cents on both ends and then u have your profit - the 10% u are willing to give up anyway.
or u can wait 1 more week for baseball.. and try and guess when a line will go strong one way off opener.. (easy if u bet yanks/boston/tigers/philly/etc type teams (public))... then u get them at -125 for max bet.. and then scalp out the dog at another book at +125 or higher so u dont even lose juice in most cases.
but best suggestion is to just forget all that.....play 20 games 50$ a pop (rollover 1k) and chances of u losing money on that other than 1 standard deviation away from 8-12 or 12-8 is slim to none.
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'non-recreational' can mean whatever the offshore books want it to mean, and they can change their interpretation of it at any time to suit themselves.
"Most" players will lose their entire balance over time.Comment -
Ok I'm not all on tip of the rollover rules but I'm sure thus is okay and counts towards the rollover but can someone just confirm. There is no problem with betting sy Okc full game then when having a big lead betting Miami halftime? Huge middle, can't lose but still works towards rollover right?Comment -
Just bet the other side at another book.
Also, 5 Dimes have let me do this at their book when I am rolling over SBR Free Cash, it's only eve like $80 though so probably not a fair comparison.Comment -
yes of course they encourage trying for middling.. why.. because its very far fetched a game will land in the 8-10 pt hole u need it too.. and when it doesnt, the typical bettor loses money on it and/or they barely make any profit which they were all but guaranteed before they took the middle shot.
same reason why a book offers live lines..
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They expect you (because it happens so often) to not only lose juice but bust out due to poor money management. I'm sure its their experience that the longer a customer is forced to continue to bet the more likely he/she is to go on tilt and bust out. By allowing you to bet both sides of a game to complete a rollover they aren't allowing you the chance to do just that.Comment -
It depends on the bonus amount and the juice you would lose, generally the bigger the bonus then the total juice you would lose rolling over by backing both sides is usually less than the bonus amount so you would in effect just be getting free, or nearly free, money at only a minimal risk to yourself betting both sides of a -110 market.Comment -
No bookies allow this...The easiest way is to place the "Team B" bet at another bookie, like Pinnacle, which offers the best odds for the game...you can check many bookmaker's current odds at www.oddsoddsodds.com for example.
Bookies of course disallow the "placing bets on both teams idea", as this how you cannot lose all of your bets...there are a lot of bookies which take the bonus from you if you try this.Comment -
Hedge it out.
Sucks if your not well capitalized or if the book your at now is shady, but those are the breaks.
If bonus whoring were easy, more would still be doing it.
20 years ago, nabbing CC rewards was easy too...then the dealers got smart. Same applies to sportsbooks. No one can give away the store forever and depend on the kindness of morons to last. The bottom line always wins out.
Taking 5K and then "offering" back 500 in juice to clear RO isn't going to cut it with a books bottom line.Comment -
Just make dozens of small bets to reduce your risk while getting to your rolloverComment
