Flamingo casino scammed

Louisvillekid1 · 03-25-12, 04:26 PM

soul786 · 03-25-12, 04:31 PM

So when we get scammed its all good but when THEY get scammed...

Grits n' Gravy · 03-25-12, 04:47 PM

Originally posted by soul786

So when we get scammed its all good but when THEY get scammed...

Card counting and chip scams always happen. Employees cheating to make money for themselves is a big no-no. Curious if it makes papers. Surveillance spends more time keeping watch on employees than players, as they are bigger thiefs. Can't allow your place to get beat by employee theft. My guess is some funds get recovered, the employees all lose their gaming cards and a ringleader gets prosecuted. The players get put on trespass list for entire state.

rm18 · 03-25-12, 04:49 PM

Originally posted by Grits n' Gravy

Card counting and chip scams always happen. Employees cheating to make money for themselves is a big no-no. Curious if it makes papers. Surveillance spends more time keeping watch on employees than players, as they are bigger thiefs. Can't allow your place to get beat by employee theft. My guess is some funds get recovered, the employees all lose their gaming cards and a ringleader gets prosecuted. The players get put on trespass list for entire state.

whats a chip scam?

Grits n' Gravy · 03-25-12, 04:57 PM

Originally posted by rm18

whats a chip scam?

Player stacking higher denom chips on winning bets while dealer not paying attention. Happens a lot on roulette and blackjack with casinos cutting back in labor and asking supervisors to watch 6 or 7 tables at a time. Doesn't help with all of the inexperienced dealers working.

Brock Landers · 03-25-12, 04:58 PM

You work in the biz grits?

HoulihansTX · 03-25-12, 04:59 PM

Originally posted by Grits n' Gravy

Curious if it makes papers.

Best believe it will make press. Casinos love to let every know that they are not to be messed with. Will deter future scammers.

Louisvillekid1 · 03-25-12, 04:59 PM

What do they do with a caught 'chip scammer' nowadays out there?

Grits n' Gravy · 03-25-12, 05:10 PM

Originally posted by HoulihansTX

Best believe it will make press. Casinos love to let every know that they are not to be messed with. Will deter future scammers.

I don't think so Houli. Employee theft is usually swept under rug. You live in Vegas? Did the paper ever report about Cannery slot mgr who skimmed over 200k? The group of slot techs at Orleans or Gold Coast that ran a wire to a machine in their shop and were printing tickets that totaled over 1/2 mil? The slot techs at Venetian that were playing promo vouchers and cashing in winnings and walking out with them? The book writer at Rio who used his company bank to place bets and lost 40k? The slot sup at Paris who was writing up manual jackpots and fake W2's and walking with the cash? These stories usually just circulate through
the employees. Company doesn't want it to get out they got taken by employees. They usually perp walk employees through casino and let gaming and metro take over.

Grits n' Gravy · 03-25-12, 05:11 PM

Originally posted by Louisvillekid1

What do they do with a caught 'chip scammer' nowadays out there?

Usually a trespass and if repeat offender or when they run the ID and they have warrants, they call police.

Grits n' Gravy · 03-25-12, 05:13 PM

Houli, I was looking online at lvrj to see how the shooting at Rio a few weeks ago would be covered and it was off front page in 48 hours. Wonder how much Jan Jones begged them to let it drop off pages.

Ez Money 77 · 03-25-12, 05:16 PM

I'm a blackjack dealer in Ca and there is some other kinda scam going around where the dealer lets the player who cuts on baccarat, some how use the cut card to riffle the entire shoe enough for a camera of some sort (maybe under sleeve of cutting hand) scan the cards and the players know the entire shoe outcome. When we end each shoe now we have to have the floor call surveillance and let them know that we are shuffling.

Crazy almost all the scams I hear about at casinos involved employees. I don't get how the stupid ass dealers feel it is worth the risk to not ever be able to deal/work at another casino ever again.

Grits n' Gravy · 03-25-12, 05:20 PM

Originally posted by Ez Money 77

Crazy almost all the scams I hear about at casinos involved employees. I don't get how the stupid ass dealers feel it is worth the risk to not ever be able to deal/work at another casino ever again.

Greed. 90% of time I had to go review tapes it was for an employee doing something bad.

cankid · 03-25-12, 05:21 PM

man that sick, wonder how many people involved

Grits n' Gravy · 03-25-12, 05:24 PM

Originally posted by cankid

man that sick, wonder how many people involved

Heard at least 9 including the 2 players.

Ez Money 77 · 03-25-12, 05:25 PM

Originally posted by Grits n' Gravy

Greed. 90% of time I had to go review tapes it was for an employee doing something bad.

It's crazy because there is no way I would ever even think about doing something that would jeopardize working in table games. I would never want to do any hard labor to make less money. These people don't think about the future they just think about the now and that they won't get caught. U NEVER know when the eye in the sky is looking or will rewind to look. People are just so dumb.

Ez Money 77 · 03-25-12, 05:26 PM

Are u surveillance?

Louisvillekid1 · 03-25-12, 05:28 PM

I picture grits as the valet/surveillance guy from the show las vegas

Grits n' Gravy · 03-25-12, 05:31 PM

Originally posted by Ez Money 77

Are u surveillance?

No. Those guys sit on their ass all day eating and watching tv. Was head of a slot dept and spent 2 years as tables assistant director. Just spent a lot of time in surveillance reviewing tapes.

Grits n' Gravy · 03-25-12, 05:33 PM

Originally posted by Louisvillekid1

I picture grits as the valet/surveillance guy from the show las vegas

nah. Was he black? That show was so corny. Reality is the business is pretty boring.

jjgold · 03-25-12, 05:48 PM

Well if true they are done and buried

Jail maybe and $$$$$$

Was it worth it??

NO

Ez Money 77 · 03-25-12, 05:51 PM

Originally posted by Grits n' Gravy

nah. Was he black? That show was so corny. Reality is the business is pretty boring.

Haha I totally loved that show. So many fine ass chicks on that show. Plus just being in the business it was cool to watch knowing how it is from this side even though I know everything on there is not even close to the real deal. The Montecito baby.

Grits n' Gravy · 03-25-12, 06:14 PM

Originally posted by jjgold

Well if true they are done and buried

Jail maybe and $$$$$$
Was it worth it??

NO

It is true. More often than not they just lose gaming card and then it is up to gaming control and cops. The casinos sometimes go after them if insurance doesn't cover the losses.

Louisvillekid1 · 03-25-12, 06:17 PM

Originally posted by Grits n' Gravy

nah. Was he black? That show was so corny. Reality is the business is pretty boring.

Light skinned...

HoulihansTX · 03-25-12, 07:10 PM

Grits has the inside scoop. Never heard of the thefts he talked about.

And yea, I live in Summerlin.

Iwinyourmoney · 03-25-12, 07:14 PM

That's why I got outa Vegas Friday night, I knew the hammer was coming down

Grits n' Gravy · 03-25-12, 07:17 PM

Originally posted by HoulihansTX

Grits has the inside scoop. Never heard of the thefts he talked about.

And yea, I live in Summerlin.

That's where my house is when I'm in Vegas. Queensridge. Picked it up off foreclosure 3 years ago on the cheap. Had to find renters when I took Macau job.

hawley · 03-25-12, 07:29 PM

Gritters I fukn love reading your posts.
Tell some more stories.

Grits n' Gravy · 03-25-12, 07:38 PM

Originally posted by hawley

Gritters I fukn love reading your posts.
Tell some more stories.

I had a dream last night after falling asleep from a cheeseburger overdose where I was beating Nadal in Wimbeldon. I must have been rolling around in bed because it collapsed under my weight. I was sweating and reached for a towel to dry myself off and ended up covered in shit.

Oh crap, that was a tt post. All muscle baby.

sweep · 03-26-12, 08:47 AM

Thats what the Flamingo gets for letting those 2 sticky fingered whores rob me

Ian · 03-26-12, 09:40 AM

Grits, please keep us updated if you find out more about this. I'm going to ask around but I don't know anybody who works in the Flamingo. This kind of shit always intrigues me.

Originally posted by soul786

So when we get scammed its all good but when THEY get scammed...

Not completely true. When the graveyard shift employees at the P Ho poker room got caught stealing the jackpot money (100% of which gets returned to the poker players) they had the book thrown at them.

On the other hand, I'm friends with a floor at a small poker room in town and they caught a dealer palming red chips out of 1/2NL games. He got fired and '86d, but no criminal charges were pressed... the cops weren't even informed. So it cuts both ways.

Originally posted by Grits n' Gravy

I don't think so Houli. Employee theft is usually swept under rug. You live in Vegas? Did the paper ever report about Cannery slot mgr who skimmed over 200k? The group of slot techs at Orleans or Gold Coast that ran a wire to a machine in their shop and were printing tickets that totaled over 1/2 mil? The slot techs at Venetian that were playing promo vouchers and cashing in winnings and walking out with them? The book writer at Rio who used his company bank to place bets and lost 40k? The slot sup at Paris who was writing up manual jackpots and fake W2's and walking with the cash? These stories usually just circulate through
the employees. Company doesn't want it to get out they got taken by employees. They usually perp walk employees through casino and let gaming and metro take over.

I'm not familiar with any of these, but there was a scam when the Venetian first opened where employees were rigging huge raffle drawings that were meant for high rollers. I'm not sure if this is what you're referring to.

The best one I've heard that was kept out of the public eye was a degen floor at the Hard Rock poker room who would steal from the drawer, walk 30 yards to the pit and martingale bet at the craps table. He kept getting away with it until the inevitable bad streak that caused him to martingale away the whole poker bank. Security never even noticed.

kfranz31 · 03-26-12, 09:53 AM

this stuff never hits the paper/news.....i am sure it happens in every casino

onlooker · 03-26-12, 10:35 AM

Originally posted by Grits n' Gravy

Surveillance spends more time keeping watch on employees than players

Very true. I've been in a surveillance room and their main focus is the table games. Several big monitors with the pit on them, and the rest of the property camera feeds just rotating on a handful of screens. Everything recorded though.

Grits n' Gravy · 03-26-12, 01:42 PM

Ian- I was at Venetian when the raffle rigging occurred. It was so stupid. They wanted the Chinese guy who won the Mercedes to feel lucky since he had lost 4.5 mil that week. Instead of just giving him one, they pulled his name from jar. They reasoned he wouldn't accept a gift. We suggested giving him 20% discount on losses. They said no. We told the Rob it was going to bite us in ass and the property GM, Mike French, and a few marketing and special event peeons eventually lost their careers over it when someone blew the whistle. The decision came from the top but French ended up taking the fall and was untouchable in Vegas. Think he went to New Mexico to run a small casino.