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  • PickWinnerAllDay
    SBR Posting Legend
    • 08-31-11
    • 12722

    #106
    Originally posted by Mr. Doughnut
    1 UK
    2 IU
    3 UofL
    4 UNC
    5 UCLA
    6 Duke
    7 Purdue
    8 Arizona
    9 Syracuse
    10 Kansas
    11 UConn
    12 MSU
    13 Georgetown
    14 Villanova
    15 Ohio State
    16 Michigan
    17 Arkansas
    18 Oklahoma St
    19 Cincinnati
    20 Maryland
    21 Memphis
    22 Utah
    23 Texas

    Just to name a few. Now I'm not saying Illinois isn't top 20. I would personally put them in the Top 20 (but just barely), but to say it's they are CLEAR-CUT top 20 program is moronic.
    Some of the schools on that list are not better than Illinois. Utah? Oklahoma State? Arkansas? You being serious? Now I know you are digging into some old history shit.
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    • ChalkyDog
      SBR Hall of Famer
      • 10-02-11
      • 9598

      #107
      Originally posted by PickWinnerAllDay
      Some of the schools on that list are not better than Illinois. Utah? Oklahoma State? Arkansas? You being serious? Now I know you are digging into some old history shit.

      That actually looks like a cut and paste of a publicized list.
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      • ChalkyDog
        SBR Hall of Famer
        • 10-02-11
        • 9598

        #108
        One of the main things coaches take into consideration is financial ability of the institution.

        20. Oklahoma St. EXPENSES: $5,658,993REVENUE: $12,262,241PROFIT: $6,603,248
        19.Washington EXPENSES: $5,702,562REVENUE: $10,474,040PROFIT: $4,771,478
        18. Maryland EXPENSES: $6,062,659REVENUE: $10,965,638PROFIT: $4,902,979
        17. Texas A&M EXPENSES: $6,340,072REVENUE: $9,786,655PROFIT: $3,446,583
        16. Wisconsin EXPENSES: $6,394,547REVENUE: $16,353,313PROFIT: $9,958,766
        15. North Carolina EXPENSES: $6,510,942REVENUE: $19,672,012PROFIT: $13,161,070
        14. UCLA EXPENSES: $6,702,818REVENUE: $11,621,364PROFIT: $4,918,546
        13. Alabama EXPENSES: $6,819,080REVENUE: $11,016,184PROFIT: $4,197,104
        12. Tennessee EXPENSES: $6,863,233REVENUE: $13,785,893PROFIT: $6,922,660
        11. Arizona EXPENSES: $6,918,239REVENUE: $21,209,980PROFIT: $14,291,741
        10. Pittsburgh
        EXPENSES: $7,181,490
        REVENUE: $13,574,317
        PROFIT: $6,392,827
        9. Syracuse
        EXPENSES: $7,532,455
        REVENUE: $19,017,231
        PROFIT: $11,484,776

        8. Indiana
        EXPENSES: $7,945,102
        REVENUE: $17,804,586
        PROFIT: $9,859,484
        7. Texas
        EXPENSES: $8,195,360
        REVENUE: $16,437,705
        PROFIT: $8,242,345
        6. Michigan St.
        EXPENSES: $9,263,945
        REVENUE: $16,479,208
        PROFIT: $7,215,263
        5. Arkansas
        EXPENSES: $9,548,135
        REVENUE: $14,608,513
        PROFIT: $5,060,378
        4. Marquette
        EXPENSES: $10,348,303
        REVENUE: $15,568,569
        PROFIT: $5,220,266
        3. Kentucky
        EXPENSES: $12,355,375
        REVENUE: $18,557,243
        PROFIT: $6,201,868
        2. Louisville
        EXPENSES: $13,336,649
        REVENUE: $40,887,938
        PROFIT: $27,551,289
        1. Duke

        EXPENSES: $13,819,529REVENUE: $28,917,329PROFIT: $15,097,800
        Illinois is nowhere to be found on that list either.

        What college basketball programs have been the most consistent, the most prestigious since the 1984-85 season? After unveiling the top 290 schools all week, here are the top 10.

        How do you evaluate the 50 best programs in the modern era of college hoops? That's the issue ESPN's researchers tackled with the Prestige Rankings. Here are Nos. 21-30.


        The above article/list was written in 2008, which is much closer to your infamous runner up. At that point, it had Illinois at 23... I cannot believe it has moved up since.

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        • PickWinnerAllDay
          SBR Posting Legend
          • 08-31-11
          • 12722

          #109
          Originally posted by ChalkyDog
          One of the main things coaches take into consideration is financial ability of the institution.



          Illinois is nowhere to be found on that list either.

          I read a FORBES list that had Illinois at 13th financially... so where is that from? Credibility...
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          • msutter
            SBR MVP
            • 03-14-07
            • 1162

            #110
            The main thing coaches usually look for is what they're going to be paid. Shaka turned down atleast $2.5 million a year for 6 years. Illinois also promised an upgrade to the facilities was on it's way. I highly doubt Shaka took into consideration the financial ability of the institution. It's not like his check was going to bounce. The dude is just happy where he is right now. Only one player from this years team won't be back. I'm sure he thinks he can make another run next year.
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            • PickWinnerAllDay
              SBR Posting Legend
              • 08-31-11
              • 12722

              #111


              Illinois was 6th here.

              They are sliding obviously because Weber has taken away excitement from the program.

              When a coach is considering going into a new program, they should obviously take into account that they should be able to end a slide if they do their job.
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              • PickWinnerAllDay
                SBR Posting Legend
                • 08-31-11
                • 12722

                #112
                That is the thing people don't understand. I remember back in 2004-2005-2006 walking into Assembly Hall for a big game, the environment was as good as any.

                Now, with Weber's horrible recruiting for those 3-4 years and his horrible coaching with this current squad has really killed the atmosphere. The fans aren't as into it, there aren't sell outs like there used to be, etc.

                As a new coach, you obviously take into account what Illinois CAN become... not what they are currently.
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                • ChalkyDog
                  SBR Hall of Famer
                  • 10-02-11
                  • 9598

                  #113
                  I saw 13 on Forbes most recently, the link you posted is ancient - has Arizona at 4, when they're really around 7 or 8.

                  The info I provided was a synopsis from the businessofcollegesports.com

                  Do you know if the Illinois Athletic Department is self-sustaining, or is it dependent on tax payers?
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                  • PickWinnerAllDay
                    SBR Posting Legend
                    • 08-31-11
                    • 12722

                    #114
                    Originally posted by ChalkyDog
                    I saw 13 on Forbes most recently, the link you posted is ancient - has Arizona at 4, when they're really around 7 or 8.

                    The info I provided was a synopsis from the businessofcollegesports.com

                    Do you know if the Illinois Athletic Department is self-sustaining, or is it dependent on tax payers?
                    I think I read an article that said they were self-sustaining.
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                    • Mr. Doughnut
                      SBR Wise Guy
                      • 09-16-11
                      • 690

                      #115
                      Two Final Fours since '52? No titles? ONE runner-up? Illinois is not a clear-cut Top 20 basketball program.
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                      • Mr. Doughnut
                        SBR Wise Guy
                        • 09-16-11
                        • 690

                        #116
                        Originally posted by PickWinnerAllDay
                        Some of the schools on that list are not better than Illinois. Utah? Oklahoma State? Arkansas? You being serious? Now I know you are digging into some old history shit.
                        That list was off the top of my head, but since you insist...

                        Illinois - 0 Nat Titles, 1 Runner Up, 5 F4, 9 E8, 11 S16
                        Utah - 1 Nat Title, 1 Runner Up, 4 F4, 5 E8, 15 S16
                        Oklahoma St - 2 Nat Titles, 0 Runner Up, 6 F4, 11 E8, 14? S16
                        Arkansas - 1 Nat Title, 1 Runner Up, 6 F4, 10 E8, 10+ S16

                        Did you even look into this before spouting out this ignorant babble? Illinois is in no shape, way, or form a clear-cut more elite program than any of these programs. I honestly hope you are not the age/have the academia you claim to have, because you act and have the brain power that I would expect more from a teenager than a mid 20s man.
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                        • 19th Hole
                          SBR Posting Legend
                          • 03-22-09
                          • 18957

                          #117
                          Originally posted by pickwinnerallday
                          he is happy where he is at because he knows that all he has to do to be successful at vcu is get to the tournament and spring an upset every couple of years.

                          I'm not disagreeing with you, i just don't think he has the balls to go to illinois where they expect big 10 titles and/or sweet 16's as the basis for a successful season.
                          f a i l
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                          • PickWinnerAllDay
                            SBR Posting Legend
                            • 08-31-11
                            • 12722

                            #118
                            Originally posted by Mr. Doughnut
                            That list was off the top of my head, but since you insist...

                            Illinois - 0 Nat Titles, 1 Runner Up, 5 F4, 9 E8, 11 S16
                            Utah - 1 Nat Title, 1 Runner Up, 4 F4, 5 E8, 15 S16
                            Oklahoma St - 2 Nat Titles, 0 Runner Up, 6 F4, 11 E8, 14? S16
                            Arkansas - 1 Nat Title, 1 Runner Up, 6 F4, 10 E8, 10+ S16

                            Did you even look into this before spouting out this ignorant babble? Illinois is in no shape, way, or form a clear-cut more elite program than any of these programs. I honestly hope you are not the age/have the academia you claim to have, because you act and have the brain power that I would expect more from a teenager than a mid 20s man.
                            You're a complete moron. On the one hand, you want to talk about ancient history, and on the other hand you want to focus on the extreme short term (like 4-5 years)

                            Pick one.

                            Since I've been alive, Illinois has been a top 10-15 program. Since the 3 point shot was put into place, Illinois has been a top 10-15 program.

                            If you really put Utah, Oklahoma State, or Arkansas above Illinois going forward, then you should direct your petty insults at yourself.
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                            • Louisvillekid1
                              SBR Aristocracy
                              • 10-17-07
                              • 52143

                              #119
                              2. Louisville
                              EXPENSES: $13,336,649
                              REVENUE: $40,887,938
                              PROFIT: $27,551,289


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                              • PickWinnerAllDay
                                SBR Posting Legend
                                • 08-31-11
                                • 12722

                                #120
                                Originally posted by Louisvillekid1
                                2. Louisville
                                EXPENSES: $13,336,649
                                REVENUE: $40,887,938
                                PROFIT: $27,551,289


                                I'm not sure how they do it... It is a good basketball program obviously but I wouldn't think they were making that much.
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                                • jarvol
                                  SBR Hall of Famer
                                  • 09-13-10
                                  • 6074

                                  #121
                                  Originally posted by PickWinnerAllDay
                                  NC State isn't on the same level as the Illinois job... I wouldn't be surprised if Shaka turns down the UCLA job eventually too. He clearly wants to be a pink panty wearing pussy like Few.


                                  The trophy case would say otherwise.
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                                  • BiffTFinancial
                                    SBR Posting Legend
                                    • 01-29-09
                                    • 22670

                                    #122
                                    the choice is clear, Illini fans: Carmody.
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                                    • d2bets
                                      BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                      • 08-10-05
                                      • 39995

                                      #123
                                      How about Lorezno Romar? Don't know if he has a lot of Chicago ties, but seems like he brings an exciting brand of basketball and is a quality guy.
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                                      • PickWinnerAllDay
                                        SBR Posting Legend
                                        • 08-31-11
                                        • 12722

                                        #124
                                        Originally posted by jarvol


                                        The trophy case would say otherwise.
                                        The trophy case isn't the only thing that matters. IF it is, I guess Florida is a better program than Georgetown.
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                                        • Mr. Doughnut
                                          SBR Wise Guy
                                          • 09-16-11
                                          • 690

                                          #125
                                          PickWAD, you may be the most homer, biased guy on this forum.

                                          Please just keep on spewing this comedy.

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                                          • PickWinnerAllDay
                                            SBR Posting Legend
                                            • 08-31-11
                                            • 12722

                                            #126
                                            Originally posted by Mr. Doughnut
                                            PickWAD, you may be the most homer, biased guy on this forum.

                                            Please just keep on spewing this comedy.

                                            Illinois is a top 20 job. That isn't in dispute. Some people say top 15, I've heard top 10. I'd put it in the 10-15 range.

                                            That being said, it isn't an easy job. There are a lot of things a new coach has to fix and not everyone wants to work hard or risk failure.
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                                            • chico2663
                                              BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                              • 09-02-10
                                              • 36915

                                              #127
                                              if your parents got married in illinois and divorced in indiana. are they still brother and sister.
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