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  • wtf
    SBR Posting Legend
    • 08-22-08
    • 12983

    #1
    75% of military age americans are too fat, too stupid or too incarcerated to join
    talk about a sinking ship, holy fuk
    News Corp.’s Klein Calls U.S. Education Very Grave Security Risk

    <cite class="byline"> By John Hechinger - Mar 19, 2012 9:01 PM PT </cite>


    A crisis in the U.S. public education system poses a “very grave national security threat,” requiring an overhaul to offer families more choices, business, education and political leaders said in a report.
    Along with undermining economic competitiveness and increasing inequality, subpar public schools threaten recruiting for the State Department, intelligence agencies and the armed forces, according to a task force headed by Joel Klein, the former New York City school chief now at News Corp. (NWSA), and Condoleezza Rice, former Secretary of State.
    The report, to be released today by the Council on Foreign Relations, a nonpartisan research organization, follows international assessments of student achievement that have placed U.S. schoolchildren below their peers in other countries such as Japan and China. The policy prescriptions, which have already sparked controversy within the task force, are timed partly to spur discussion in the Presidential election, Klein said.
    “The failure of U.S. K-12 schools to prepare young Americans with essential skills and knowledge puts this nation’s economic growth and competitiveness, physical security, information security, and national character at risk,” the task force said in the report.
    The group’s members include Craig Barrett, former chief executive officer of Intel Corp. (INTC); Louis V. Gerstner Jr., former CEO of International Business Machines Corp. (IBM); Margaret Spellings, former U.S. education secretary; and Randi Weingarten, president of the American Federation of Teachers.
    Unqualified Youth

    Seventy-five percent of U.S. citizens between 17 and 24 aren’t qualified to join the military because they are physically unfit, have criminal records or have too little education, the report said. Jobs go unfilled even amid high unemployment in positions requiring scientific and high- technology expertise, according to the task force.
    The group’s broad recommendations -- including tougher curriculum standards adopted across states and accountability through testing -- resemble the agenda of President Barack Obama’s administration. The task force calls for a “National Security Readiness Audit” that would measure whether students were learning skills such as computer programming and foreign language.
    States and school districts should also promote “school choice,” such as charter schools -- privately managed public schools -- and vouchers, in which parents are given tax money to spend where they choose, including at private schools, according to the report.
    ‘American Solution’

    “It’s an American solution to an American problem,” Klein said in a phone interview. “Competition and choice have the greatest potential to stimulate innovation.”
    Klein ran the New York City public schools under Michael Bloomberg, the founder and majority owner of Bloomberg LP, parent of Bloomberg News. Klein is now CEO of the education unit of News Corp. (NWS), Rupert Murdoch’s New York-based media and entertainment company. The division sells technology to U.S. public schools.
    Several members of the task force, including Weingarten, disagreed on its tone and recommendations, according to their written dissents. Parts of the report cast “public schools in the worst possible light, while ignoring facts to the contrary” and demoralizing teachers, Weingarten wrote.
    Vouchers and charters don’t systematically improve the system and instead “deplete badly needed resources from the public schools that educate 90 percent of our students,” Weingarten said.
    The message from the majority of the task force echoed a 1983 report, called “A Nation at Risk.” Commissioned by President Ronald Reagan, it fueled three decades of efforts to overhaul U.S. schools.
    “If an unfriendly foreign power had attempted to impose on America the mediocre educational performance that exists today, we might well have viewed it as an act of war,” the earlier report said.
  • Ghenghis Kahn
    SBR Posting Legend
    • 01-02-12
    • 19734

    #2
    and you think this is by mistake? the us public school system isn't to educate kids, it's to dumb them down so it's easier for the rich to control them. first of all, if the us wants to educate the kids in school all we have to do is increase the teachers' salaries, get rid of seniority, and teacher's union but this will never happen... it's a system made to fail on purpose.
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    • Chi_archie
      SBR Aristocracy
      • 07-22-08
      • 63172

      #3
      time to save $ on prisons.

      get those thugs out of prison and strap a remote controlled neck bomb on them with a camera and drop them off in terrorist hot beds
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      • EmpireMaker
        SBR Posting Legend
        • 06-18-09
        • 15583

        #4
        since when do you have to be smart to join the military
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        • onacloud
          SBR Hall of Famer
          • 10-14-10
          • 5360

          #5
          Originally posted by Ghenghis Kahn
          and you think this is by mistake? the us public school system isn't to educate kids, it's to dumb them down so it's easier for the rich to control them. first of all, if the us wants to educate the kids in school all we have to do is increase the teachers' salaries, get rid of seniority, and teacher's union but this will never happen... it's a system made to fail on purpose.



          holy shit if you actually believe what you just posted I have no words for you

          go back to your conspiracy forum and if you aren't a member of one join up you'd fit in perfect with those lunatics

          go to a private school if you want education if you can't afford to send your kids to private schools then thats your fault get a real job

          don't rely on the fukkin government for your education and don't blame them because you attend a public school
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          • Emily_Haines
            SBR Posting Legend
            • 04-14-09
            • 15917

            #6
            Originally posted by EmpireMaker
            since when do you have to be smart to join the military
            The military is full of the dumbest of the dumb.
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            • baskets
              SBR Posting Legend
              • 11-24-11
              • 11691

              #7
              Originally posted by onacloud


              holy shit if you actually believe what you just posted I have no words for you

              go back to your conspiracy forum and if you aren't a member of one join up you'd fit in perfect with those lunatics

              go to a private school if you want education if you can't afford to send your kids to private schools then thats your fault get a real job

              don't rely on the fukkin government for your education and don't blame them because you attend a public school




              lmfao. this coming from a guy who has *** as his avatar. that alone will tell you that poster is an idiot.

              if one is a teenager and has that avatar, you might give em half a pass. but a grown adult with that avatar.... demonstrates the full absence of thought and the ability to make sound decisions
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              • HoulihansTX
                BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                • 02-12-09
                • 30566

                #8
                The Army is for the finacially fukked, or mentally fukked.
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                • DR225
                  SBR MVP
                  • 02-24-11
                  • 2010

                  #9
                  I have a hard time believing anyone is too stupid to join the military outright. I took the asvab recently and I scored a 97 out of a possible 99 and I'd say I have average intelligence at best.
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                  • Ghenghis Kahn
                    SBR Posting Legend
                    • 01-02-12
                    • 19734

                    #10
                    Originally posted by onacloud


                    holy shit if you actually believe what you just posted I have no words for you

                    go back to your conspiracy forum and if you aren't a member of one join up you'd fit in perfect with those lunatics

                    go to a private school if you want education if you can't afford to send your kids to private schools then thats your fault get a real job

                    don't rely on the fukkin government for your education and don't blame them because you attend a public school
                    this idiot proves my point.
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                    • Ghenghis Kahn
                      SBR Posting Legend
                      • 01-02-12
                      • 19734

                      #11
                      Originally posted by EmpireMaker
                      since when do you have to be smart to join the military
                      that's the point of the article i presume. usually losers that can't handle school enlist in the military but this day and age, the quality of losers are getting worse...
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                      • sideloaded
                        SBR Hall of Famer
                        • 08-21-10
                        • 7561

                        #12
                        Originally posted by onacloud


                        holy shit if you actually believe what you just posted I have no words for you

                        go back to your conspiracy forum and if you aren't a member of one join up you'd fit in perfect with those lunatics

                        go to a private school if you want education if you can't afford to send your kids to private schools then thats your fault get a real job

                        don't rely on the fukkin government for your education and don't blame them because you attend a public school
                        Did that private school teach you how to form sentences?
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                        • BrentCrude
                          SBR MVP
                          • 11-16-05
                          • 4665

                          #13
                          So there is a government created dilema on both sides of the coin.First they create a giant welfare state dysfunctional underclass ,and then they create a national socialist central planning,globalist military industrial complex.Two forms of statism that meet each other on the socialist circle.And Ron Paul is the furthest away from both and no one wants to vote for him because they are all brainwashed to love both of the statist socialist groups.The moral of the story is,people are dumb enough to believe the government tells the truth and is good and they continue believing that because the government gives them free stuff.
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                          • milwaukee mike
                            BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                            • 08-22-07
                            • 26914

                            #14
                            yeah brentcrude, i have tried asking people what motivation there would be for a government to really care about its citizens and usually all i get is blank stares.

                            no government in the history of the world has ever been honest and non-corrupt so why anyone thinks ours is any different can probably only be explained by the public school system and tv. get it in our heads from the age of 4 that the u.s. military/govt are the greatest and all these other countries are terrible.

                            even when it's provable that the government lies about stuff like 9/11, anthrax, forged yellowcake documents, oklahoma city, pat tillman, jessica lynch, people still believe what the government says.
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                            • Dutchie
                              Restricted User
                              • 12-15-11
                              • 722

                              #15
                              what is the yellowcake documents?
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                              • bobby heenan
                                SBR MVP
                                • 03-20-09
                                • 4120

                                #16
                                why would any fuckin kid want to join the military when they can get a similar experience playng the video game while they sit around and eat wendys, smoke weed, and do nothing......
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                                • King Mayan
                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                  • 09-22-10
                                  • 21326

                                  #17
                                  a bunch of fat pussies judging military men/women..
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                                  • Emily_Haines
                                    SBR Posting Legend
                                    • 04-14-09
                                    • 15917

                                    #18
                                    The low standards the military has is why we lose every war we start these days. If they started paying real wages (1000 per day) and quit hiring the current crop of losers we might actually win one of these wars we start.
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                                    • itchypickle
                                      SBR Posting Legend
                                      • 11-05-09
                                      • 21452

                                      #19
                                      Heenan- video games are NOTHING like an actual engagement....and believe it or not some guys like to get out and challenge themselves and stay fit.
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                                      • itchypickle
                                        SBR Posting Legend
                                        • 11-05-09
                                        • 21452

                                        #20
                                        Hanies has it wrong...AGAIN. Go figure.

                                        Most don't join for the riches...its a stepping stone to other careers since the largest companies hire prior service first due to the skills learned. Once you've been in the first year and a half and complete schools...base pay for even the lower enlisted competes with national average salary..Cost of Living is adjusted per region....add in health insurance/dental and the extra pay for jump status/housing/retirement packages and the GI Bill for school they are doing MUCH better than civilian counterparts....also VA home loans and USAA/Navy Fed auto loans are good interest rates for the younger guys to build on.

                                        And regarding quality of men/women - sure you have lazy engineer corps and admin POGS but I'll take a responsible 19-25 year old military type vs the 19-40 year old union worker ANY DAY and match skills/education and competency in chosen field.
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                                        • bobby heenan
                                          SBR MVP
                                          • 03-20-09
                                          • 4120

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by itchypickle
                                          Heenan- video games are NOTHING like an actual engagement....and believe it or not some guys like to get out and challenge themselves and stay fit.
                                          im aware they are nothing like the actual military.....i was really cracking on the types(adults even) who spend countless hours online playing military shooter games.......

                                          most guys who like to get out, challenge themselves and stay fit arent joining the military though...they are already self motivated and likely have already embarked upon a much more lucrative and safe career path
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                                          • dogthebountyman
                                            SBR High Roller
                                            • 03-14-12
                                            • 189

                                            #22
                                            The only reason Americans are obese is b/c smoking is banned. Tobbacco has kept China thin since ancient times and most of America since the 1600's. Look at any chart since America began it's campaign against smoking and as it has strengthened it obesity is peaking.
                                            Would you rather die of lung cancer at 75 or heart attack at 70 in a hovaround ?
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                                            • Emily_Haines
                                              SBR Posting Legend
                                              • 04-14-09
                                              • 15917

                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by itchypickle
                                              Hanies has it wrong...AGAIN. Go figure.

                                              Most don't join for the riches...its a stepping stone to other careers since the largest companies hire prior service first due to the skills learned. Once you've been in the first year and a half and complete schools...base pay for even the lower enlisted competes with national average salary..Cost of Living is adjusted per region....add in health insurance/dental and the extra pay for jump status/housing/retirement packages and the GI Bill for school they are doing MUCH better than civilian counterparts....also VA home loans and USAA/Navy Fed auto loans are good interest rates for the younger guys to build on.

                                              And regarding quality of men/women - sure you have lazy engineer corps and admin POGS but I'll take a responsible 19-25 year old military type vs the 19-40 year old union worker ANY DAY and match skills/education and competency in chosen field.
                                              If these idiots have it so great why when they come home they have the highest suicide rates? The government tells these guys they can gain valuable experience and the fact is this experience wont even land them a job at the local car wash. Most are too stupid for the real world and believe everything the government tells them. These are the last type of people I would ever want working for me. When I was making my first cut when hiring someone a would go through the stack of resumes and anyone with military related experience on it would go straight to the shredder.
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                                              • milwaukee mike
                                                BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                                • 08-22-07
                                                • 26914

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by Emily_Haines
                                                If these idiots have it so great why when they come home they have the highest suicide rates? The government tells these guys they can gain valuable experience and the fact is this experience wont even land them a job at the local car wash. Most are too stupid for the real world and believe everything the government tells them. These are the last type of people I would ever want working for me. When I was making my first cut when hiring someone a would go through the stack of resumes and anyone with military related experience on it would go straight to the shredder.


                                                i might agree with you that war is almost always wrong, but i would never turn away a potential employee because he was in the military. quite the contrary, it would show great character that he/she was willing to do what they thought was right.
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                                                • itchypickle
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                                                  • 11-05-09
                                                  • 21452

                                                  #25
                                                  Haines - the suicide rates are an issue because of the constant stress and lack of time to integrate back into a normal routine after being down range where it's 24/7 nuts...you take for granted being able to just hop in your car and get a drink or go to a movie or hang out with friends without being confined to a small area and the rest of the monotonous crap that goes with multiple deployments. Granted 'luxuries' have gotten better for the soldiers on rotation like doubled bandwith for easier Skype to home with family and the overall up to date showers/food etc. But its still marginal compared to the everyday job. Just a normal routine and you pick the season of 14 below and snow or 120 and sand in every crevice of your body while wearing all the plates and gear and still trying to be mobile enough to be 'combat effective'....go out on dismount patrol or on a specific door kicking mission etc...you deal with the threat from that then you come back to camp to 'unwind' and you're amongst people 24/7....helicopters/plane noise...sand in your room which is either a wooden shack or a small conex trailer with enough room for a small bed and dresser and a tiny desk....the you've got mortars coming in or close by almost nightly to keep you awake...sounds of all the generators running annoys the hell out of people...do that month in and month out with no relief to just go sit alone or drive on an open road or see/talk to people in normal clothes/colors/smells......and on top of that add in a few roads blowing up on you.....its only human nature for someone who is accustomed to a civilized society to crack after awhile.

                                                  Job wise....again you've got a small % of guys who will come in and either be drummed out on a drug pop or simply do the initial enlistment and get out after less than 3 years with nothing to show....but the majority of people in Air Force/ Navy/Army actually learn a lot to add value to the bigger companies...the infantry types who dont go into federal law enforcement or military contractors are actual a small part of the military....Dupont, ATT,Boeing, Delta, Verizon, FedEx, throw a stone at any major corporation and look at their management divisions and you'll find prior military. Google is even recruiting out of the branches now due to the level of equipment intel analysts and the guys who run blue force tracker (its a GPS for soldiers locations) get to use. Logistics companies for air/railway/roads like CSX, Airports, UPS etc love military since they've had to get millions of dollars of equipment from one side fo the world to the other...all accounted for and working, and still maintain once arrived and in use.

                                                  8 out of 10 times when someone submits a resume'....the employer can be guaranteed that person has shown the ability to do the fundamental things that any employer in any industry needs from an employee.....show up everyday...on time...attention to detail...and do the task at hand. These are templates that go with pretty much any company.
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                                                  • sickler
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                                                    • 06-05-08
                                                    • 15006

                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by milwaukee mike


                                                    i might agree with you that war is almost always wrong, but i would never turn away a potential employee because he was in the military. quite the contrary, it would show great character that he/she was willing to do what they thought was right.
                                                    In the military you don't do what you think is right. You do what you're told to do.

                                                    How many Vietnam Vets thought it was wrong to be there? Long time has passed since then, the government can be trusted to do the right thing to avoid unnecessarily putting the lives of American soldiers at risk??? Iraq? How many Iraq vets think it was wrong to be there as long as they were, or even to be there in the first place?
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                                                    • MUHerd37
                                                      SBR Posting Legend
                                                      • 10-23-09
                                                      • 12816

                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by Emily_Haines
                                                      The military is full of the dumbest of the dumb.
                                                      If that was true you'd be a fukkin 4 star general
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                                                      • bruceBRUCEbruce
                                                        SBR MVP
                                                        • 06-20-09
                                                        • 2560

                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by milwaukee mike
                                                        but i would never turn away a potential employee because he was in the military. quite the contrary, it would show great character that he/she was willing to do what they thought was right.
                                                        if the military was empowered to do what they thought was right, we wouldn't have been involved in two decade long wars here and 9/11 would likely have never happened.

                                                        and long gone are the days of great character being associated with the military in this country...
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                                                        • ACoochy
                                                          SBR Posting Legend
                                                          • 08-19-09
                                                          • 13949

                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by milwaukee mike


                                                          i might agree with you that war is almost always wrong, but i would never turn away a potential employee because he was in the military. quite the contrary, it would show great character that he/she was willing to do what the government said was right.

                                                          Fixed Mikey. Im sorry but that level of blinding patriotism really did offend my delicate sensibilities.
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                                                          • milwaukee mike
                                                            BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                                            • 08-22-07
                                                            • 26914

                                                            #30
                                                            thanks for the feedback guys

                                                            my wording might have been misleading, wow i've never been accused of blinding patriotism around here usually it's the opposite


                                                            i meant do what they thought was right WHEN THEY SIGNED UP. quite a few end up following orders that they know are wrong.
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                                                            • PickWinnerAllDay
                                                              SBR Posting Legend
                                                              • 08-31-11
                                                              • 12722

                                                              #31
                                                              I'm 24, qualify for the military based on their definition, but no thanks.

                                                              Not sure why it says they aren't educated enough for the military... the military seems to be the place for dumb people who don't want to or can't go to college.
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                                                              • rkelly110
                                                                BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                                                • 10-05-09
                                                                • 39691

                                                                #32
                                                                I love these non military pussies. Who the hell do you think fought for your
                                                                dumb asses? I'll bet more than 1/2 of you guys don't vote. I'll bet more than 1/2
                                                                are still living with Mommy, sitting on the couch, not working and smoking dope.

                                                                Get out there and join the military, it'll make a man out of you. Make your parents
                                                                proud.
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                                                                • ACoochy
                                                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                                                  • 08-19-09
                                                                  • 13949

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by rkelly110
                                                                  I love these non military pussies. Who the hell do you think fought for your
                                                                  dumb asses? I'll bet more than 1/2 of you guys don't vote. I'll bet more than 1/2
                                                                  are still living with Mommy, sitting on the couch, not working and smoking dope.

                                                                  Get out there and join the military, it'll make a man out of you. Make your parents
                                                                  proud.
                                                                  War is a necessary evil IF it is justifiable. America could never justify Iraq/Vietnam and all those lives lost and for what??

                                                                  Kelly, when was the last time u had a independent thought that didnt toe the conservative line??
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                                                                  • PickWinnerAllDay
                                                                    SBR Posting Legend
                                                                    • 08-31-11
                                                                    • 12722

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by rkelly110
                                                                    I love these non military pussies. Who the hell do you think fought for your
                                                                    dumb asses? I'll bet more than 1/2 of you guys don't vote. I'll bet more than 1/2
                                                                    are still living with Mommy, sitting on the couch, not working and smoking dope.

                                                                    Get out there and join the military, it'll make a man out of you. Make your parents
                                                                    proud.
                                                                    Fought for me? When did I ask anyone to go to Iraq? If that was for me, that's awkward...

                                                                    Yes, all non-military people are pussies. Good logic. A more accurate, but still dumb stereotype would be that all military people are dumb.
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                                                                    • milwaukee mike
                                                                      BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                                                      • 08-22-07
                                                                      • 26914

                                                                      #35
                                                                      Can't we all get along?
                                                                      when everyone thinks alike, no one thinks

                                                                      Good discussion going here if you guys can avoid the name calling and stereotyping
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