Kobe is easily an all-time Top 5 player - LeBron and Wade won't ever crack Top 30.

[InTheDrink]

The leagues best player doesnt always win the mvp... but, in this case it is dead on. Kobe really has only been the nbas best player for one season. Shaq, Duncan and Lebron have handled the rest

and in two seasons when he DIDNT win league mvp he won finals mvp

like i said postseason doesnt count in mvp voting....so those guys are the best regular season players...although duncan and shaq also have finals mvps

to each his own i guess....i guess steve nash is better than kobe

[dlunc3]

neither finals mvp nor regular season mvp means anything when determining who the best player is... but it has been pretty obvious that early in his career that shaq and duncan were better, and late in his career lebron has been better

[deadstare]

this guy beats his meat to his boyfriend lebronze.

[InTheDrink]

neither finals mvp nor regular season mvp means anything when determining who the best player is... but it has been pretty obvious that early in his career that shaq and duncan were better, and late in his career lebron has been better

so whats your point? you do grasp the concept that a guy can be second best his entire career and still have the best career of the bunch right?

not for nothing but do you see anything outside of black and white?

[Killer_Demo]

so heats meltdown last playoffs wasnt their fault?

[dlunc3]

so whats your point? you do grasp the concept that a guy can be second best his entire career and still have the best career of the bunch right?

not for nothing but do you see anything outside of black and white?

Finally someone who gets it.... kobe has been the 2nd best player in the league his whole career... He will be known as an all time great bc of his longevity and his rings.

You are right though.... its tough to call a guy top 10, let alone top 5, when he was only the best in the league just one season. Lebron has been the best player in the league for probably 5 years now.

like i said, he is an all time great... and as of right now, the best of the recent bunch... But, if he plays like he has the last 7 years, and wins 3 or 4 rings, it will be a tough argument to keep him above lebron

[dlunc3]

so heats meltdown last playoffs wasnt their fault?

no doubt it was his fault... it was also his fault that they beat the bulls and celtics.

BUT, again... he is only 27... judge the guy in 7 years before even discussing where he ranks all time

[InTheDrink]

like i said, he is an all time great... and as of right now, the best of the recent bunch... But, if he plays like he has the last 7 years, and wins 3 or 4 rings, it will be a tough argument to keep him above lebron

okay i guess you win....i thought we were talking reality here...3 or 4 rings is obviously a no brainer

[paranoyd androyd]

not making the top 30 all-time players isn't an insult, not sure why lebron fans are getting so emotional.

kobe is top 5 and lebron will never get anywhere close to it, doesn't mean he's terrible though.

[lakerboy]

You guys are really sad. Did Lebron bitch slap your mothers or something? The hate around here is just out of control.

love the popcorn. took you awhile to start up here

[onlooker]

love the popcorn. took you awhile to start up here

How sweet. You come in these threads looking for me.

[TwoWays]

Lebron new this game was nationally televised. What better way to keep yourself out of the spotlight then to not show up so there wouldn't be "clutch" moment for him to un-clutch it. Even Wade fouled out to insure Lebron would have to take the onus of winning one game, finally, on his own.

[lakerboy]

How sweet. You come in these threads looking for me.

i just see every time there is a thread critiquing lebron you seem to get annoyed.

[Dtown13]

Lebron was 4-13 with Metta on him.

What exactly is your point? Everyone has off shooting nights. Even your beloved Kobe Bryant. Let's see...

Tues 12/27 vs Utah 8-17
Sat 12/31 vs Denver 6-18
Sun 1/1 vs Denver 6-28
Mon 1/16 vs Dallas 7-22
Thurs 1/19 vs Miami 8-21 (Damn 2 bad shooting games in a row for Kobe)
Wed 1/25 vs Clippers 7-17
Fri 2/3 vs Denver 7-23 (3 bad games against Denver! They must have his number?)
Sat 2/4 vs Utah 6-16 (Well 2 more bad shooting games in a row for Kobe)
Wed 2/22 vs Dallas 4-15 (Lebron was 4-13????)
Thurs 2/23 vs OKC 7-24

I'm not a Kobe fan. However, I am an avid sports fan and he is a GREAT player. He will go down in history as one of the best players to ever play the game. But look at the facts above. Anyone can have a bad day. No Lebron has not had the success like the Michael Jordan's and Kobe Bryant's of the world as of yet and he may never reach that level; but no one can argue the point that he is a great player and athlete of the game. That is except for the Lebron HATERS of the world that just don't want to admit that he is as good as he is because you can't stand him.

[onlooker]

i just see every time there is a thread critiquing lebron you seem to get annoyed.

Just pointing out the nonsense of having a few pop up everyday.

Glad you like checking on me though.

[zsr]

I'm not sure why you posted a giant wall of Kobe numbers as me saying Ron artest shut Lebron down has nothing to do with Kobe.

Lebron didn't have an off shooting night when he switched off Metta, he shredded everyone else on the lakers, Metta shut him down. Period.

[zsr]

And why people continue to waste there time with dlunc is beyond me. He's nothing but a troll.

One thread he says stats dont lie
Next thread he says stats lie

One thread he says all people do is look at box scores
Next thread he posts a box score to argue his point

He's the definition of troll.

[TwoWays]

It seems like the sole superstar on this team is Bosh. How they doing without Bosh in the lineup? Lebron is nothing more than a role player. Kobe is the real deal. Wade is genuine. Bosh is Bosh. Lebron is a fugazzi.

[DiggityDaggityDo]

No one is a more versatile defender than Lebron, ever.

Ever? I dont know about that.

Dennis Rodman > Lebron as far as versatile defenders go. Rodman guarded some of the best players to ever play the game too: Jordan, Shaq, Hakeem, etc.

[zsr]

Lebron being an elite defender is a myth. He's not a good defender.

His terrible defense is just as much to blame for the finals loss as his disappearing in the clutch.

[Dtown13]

4 years D1 tennis at fresno st...i bet you never played college ball a day in your life

Man that is the funniest shit I have ever heard in my life. Tennis isn't a team sport, it's one on one. And yes I played 3 sports all throughout school and am now a coach and have coached 3 different sports with much success (Football, Baseball and Basketball). Oh and I play a little Tennis as well and Golf. My Father-In-Law is a Tennis and Golf instructor at the Bocage Country Club in Baton Rouge Louisiana.

[onlooker]

Ever? I dont know about that.

Dennis Rodman > Lebron as far as versatile defenders go. Rodman guarded some of the best players to ever play the game too: Jordan, Shaq, Hakeem, etc.

Pippen was pretty damn good.

Lebron being an elite defender is a myth. He's not a good defender.

His terrible defense is just as much to blame for the finals loss as his disappearing in the clutch.

Only against D.Rose. <--- I hate these new standard smileys.

[Dtown13]

4 years D1 tennis at fresno st...i bet you never played college ball a day in your life

Off the subject though. Congrats. I love the Bulldogs and so does my Father-In-Law. I actually bought him a Fresno Cap for Christmas a couple of years ago. A great college.

[zsr]

Onlooker come on, they trapped off pick and rolls and ran haslem out half the time. It wasn't as much 1 on 1.

That was more the heats team defense against rose because Miami didn't need to respect anybody else on the floor.

[Dtown13]

No one has come close to Jordan.

[onlooker]

Onlooker come on, they trapped off pick and rolls and ran haslem out half the time. It wasn't as much 1 on 1.

That was more the heats team defense against rose because Miami didn't need to respect anybody else on the floor.

Just fuking with you.

Even though Lebron did do a good job on Rose. <--- There is another one.

[Dtown13]

Feel free to read post #1 - all outlined in bullet point format making it easy to understand.

Your just a Lebron hater so it wouldn't matter what anyone pointed out to you. It wouldn't change your mind. I have better things to do than that. Hell, I have 4 children I can argue with all day long if I choose to waste my time on people who no everything and don't want to listen to reason.

[zsr]

Just fuking with you.

Even though Lebron did do a good job on Rose. <--- There is another one.

He played him better than anyone else did I'll say that.

Use your forum pull to get the old smilies back, I hate these too.

[Dtown13]

lets see. off the top of my head, the top nba players of all time:

this is not in order. i only used numbers so i could count the number of players.
1 Oscar Robinson
2 MJ
3Magic
4Bird
5Wilt the Stilt
6Kareem
7Dr. J
8Bill Russel
9Shaq
10Kobe
11Malone
12Stockton
13Barkley
14Duncan
15Robinson
16.Ewing
17.hakeem

i cant think of anymore, i could probably use google but im lazy. thats a hard list for any current nba player to crack. like where would garnett, durant, rose, etc fit 10 years from now.

Nice post. There are a ton of them out there so it's going to get harder and harder for anyone to crack into it.

[DiggityDaggityDo]

[QUOTE=onlooker;14011879]Pippen was pretty damn good.



Pippin was an excellent defensive player also.

I wasnt saying Rodman was the best ever, just pointing out thet Lebron was not the best versatile defensive player EVER. Rodman was the first guy that popped into my mind.

Pippen > Lebron as far as this category goes. And these are not the only 2 that are/were better than Lebron.

[Dtown13]

So stupid. First of all your #1 player isn't even a real player unless he played NCAA basketball somewhere. Secondly you really think Kareem and Wilt Chamberlain are lower ranked than Larry Bird? And Karl Malone is a top 20 player of all time.....WTF.....this has got to be the stupidest list I have ever seen.

Did you read the post? He said not in that order. Just off the top of his head. Damn you all are so critical LOL.

[jsmithj88]

this is the same argument over and over

[Dtown13]

and in two seasons when he DIDNT win league mvp he won finals mvp

like i said postseason doesnt count in mvp voting....so those guys are the best regular season players...although duncan and shaq also have finals mvps

to each his own i guess....i guess steve nash is better than kobe

Nash is good but he is not Kobe.....

[onlooker]

Pippen was pretty damn good.

Pippin was an excellent defensive player also.

I wasnt saying Rodman was the best ever, just pointing out thet Lebron was not the best versatile defensive player EVER. Rodman was the first guy that popped into my mind.

Pippen > Lebron as far as this category goes. And these are not the only 2 that are/were better than Lebron.

Oh I know. I was just adding Pippen to the conversation.

[Dtown13]

so heats meltdown last playoffs wasnt their fault?

Wow. It was ridiculous...