matchbook

[celtics3388]

They seem to be offering the best prices for NBA sides, so why don't I hear about them more? Right now they are offering the Bulls -9.5 at -102 and the Cavs +9.5 at +100. I see that they aren't in the US market so could someone outside of the US explain why they would rather play at Pinny over Matchbook?

[jjgold]

Not bad place
Not bad lines
Seeded markets
Real volume not that high

[Hareeba!]

They seem to be offering the best prices for NBA sides, so why don't I hear about them more? Right now they are offering the Bulls -9.5 at -102 and the Cavs +9.5 at +100. I see that they aren't in the US market so could someone outside of the US explain why they would rather play at Pinny over Matchbook?

I play at Pinnacle on a whole range of sports/events not offered by Matchboook or where Matchbook has very low liquidity.

But you are 100% correct (but don't try telling QQnutcase) in that for the US pro sports Matchbook will almost always beat Pinnacle odds Pre-Game. As a result I do most of my betting on those sports at Matchbook.

[Monte]

Indeed, the best odds are always up when the market has settled in, leaving no value even on -102 lines (with commission).
Big deal really, btw where are the currencies? It's March, iam sure now they will come in May.

[byronbb]

Great for small timers thats for sure.

[jjgold]

Its small time book period with good odds

owners fund markets

[Hareeba!]

Its small time book period with good odds

owners fund markets

they denied that so where's your source to back that up

[Monte]

Do you need a source? Use your eyes, same amounts all the time on most markets esp. early...

[Hareeba!]

Great for small timers thats for sure.

what's your definition of "small timer"?

at what point does a "small timer" graduate to the next level?

[Hareeba!]

Do you need a source? Use your eyes, same amounts all the time on most markets esp. early...

not denying there is seeding happening but that doesn't mean it has to be the owners doing it

not that it matters at all to me ... their money is perfectly good enough for me if it's at the best odds available anywhere

[QQPALLADIUM]

not denying there is seeding happening but that doesn't mean it has to be the owners doing it

not that it matters at all to me ... their money is perfectly good enough for me if it's at the best odds available anywhere

madoff's investors said the same thing...

[jjgold]

they denied that so where's your source to back that up

So your going to believe a book?
They 100% seed..look at usual pool sizes thats all I will say

[Hareeba!]

So your going to believe a book?
They 100% seed..look at usual pool sizes thats all I will say

I have more reason to believe a book which hasn't yet failed me than an anonymous forum poster who won't answer a question.

I have already said that I accept that there is seeding going on. The book has explained that and said it's not them.

[allin1]

So your going to believe a book?

good question

The book has explained that and said it's not them.

kind of makes sense

[Odessa]

NCAA Basketball wagering available on Matchbook during March Madness!

[Statman]

Matchbook still works for most people outside the US market quite well....

[BeardedTaco]

seeded or not they pretty much offer -102s on spreads and 4-5 cents better then pinny on hockey moneylines (including commission). Hopefully baseball is the same.

Once multi currencies and a vip program is in place I think the volume should be slightly better.

[QQPALLADIUM]

NCAA Basketball wagering available on Matchbook during March Madness!

guess i was right and harbeebi was wrong again.

[Hareeba!]

guess i was right and harbeebi was wrong again.

huh?

[jjgold]

You cannot even get someone on the phone at matchbook

It must be a very small operation

[Monte]

no phone is good, who needs to call a gdamn book or exchange on the net anyway.
Pinny does it right...they don't want phone calls, they know real players don't need phone calls, maybe you need them for your clown videos JJ.

[jjgold]

Monte I have matchbook rated as a B-

Lines are fine..safety is my issue

They do not have the strict UK License

[Nicky Santoro]

Right now they are offering the Bulls -9.5 at -102 and the Cavs +9.5 at +100.

Don't be fooled on that. that is not a 2 cent line, it's a 6 cent line. (Bulls -9.5 -104/Cavs +9.5 -102)

At Matchy, -180/+177 = -183/+173, thus, a 10 cent line like Pinny. -200/+198 = -203/+194. A 2 cent line is really now a 9 cent line.

Do not be fooled. Matchy killed everything here when they changed their rules and now take 1% of the winnings, and if you're like me and you bet more dogs, there is no more value there as they take 1% out of the +300 winnings, not the lower #. big difference.

[RealSlimShady]

Nicky!! You are back!

[brettels]

No phone is no good! An issue could always appear. Emails can be ignored so much easier. What are they hiding? Too much money seeding instead of employing some customer service reps?

[jjgold]

Don't be fooled on that. that is not a 2 cent line, it's a 6 cent line. (Bulls -9.5 -104/Cavs +9.5 -102)

At Matchy, -180/+177 = -183/+173, thus, a 10 cent line like Pinny. -200/+198 = -203/+194. A 2 cent line is really now a 9 cent line.

Do not be fooled. Matchy killed everything here when they changed their rules and now take 1% of the winnings, and if you're like me and you bet more dogs, there is no more value there as they take 1% out of the +300 winnings, not the lower #. big difference.

Why does Nicky win every thread?????? I would never fight with this guy as far as gambling he is the king

Matchbook is not bad for Canadian Players if compared to average usa book although the volume just not there on a regular basis

[Hareeba!]

No phone is no good! An issue could always appear. Emails can be ignored so much easier. What are they hiding? Too much money seeding instead of employing some customer service reps?

Try phoning Pinnacle
Don't think Pinnacle even have live chat like MB do?
I've always got prompt email response from MB

[Hareeba!]

NCAA Basketball wagering available on Matchbook during March Madness!

futures only?
no games?

[BeardedTaco]

Don't be fooled on that. that is not a 2 cent line, it's a 6 cent line. (Bulls -9.5 -104/Cavs +9.5 -102)

At Matchy, -180/+177 = -183/+173, thus, a 10 cent line like Pinny. -200/+198 = -203/+194. A 2 cent line is really now a 9 cent line.

Do not be fooled. Matchy killed everything here when they changed their rules and now take 1% of the winnings, and if you're like me and you bet more dogs, there is no more value there as they take 1% out of the +300 winnings, not the lower #. big difference.

aahh maybe my math was wrong all along I thought it was more of a 7ish cent line. They need some VIP perks!

[Hareeba!]

Don't be fooled on that. that is not a 2 cent line, it's a 6 cent line. (Bulls -9.5 -104/Cavs +9.5 -102)

At Matchy, -180/+177 = -183/+173, thus, a 10 cent line like Pinny. -200/+198 = -203/+194. A 2 cent line is really now a 9 cent line.

Do not be fooled. Matchy killed everything here when they changed their rules and now take 1% of the winnings, and if you're like me and you bet more dogs, there is no more value there as they take 1% out of the +300 winnings, not the lower #. big difference.

correct!
as I've frequently pointed out to those who argue that MB's 1% commission is so much better than Betfair's 5% or whatever
for a fairer comparison you should be doubling the MB rate as it is paid on both winning and losing bets whereas at Betfair you pay only on winning bets and if you're a regular player you would most likely be paying a fair bit less than 5%

However, even accounting for MB commission at 2% rather than 1% you will mostly get better odds than at Pinnacle.

Further, MB's commission on winning dogs doesn't bite as hard as Betfair's even though, as NS points out it is calculated on the win rather than the stake.

Always do the arithmetic before betting.

[byronbb]

what's your definition of "small timer"?

at what point does a "small timer" graduate to the next level?

Relax brah. I'm smaller time than you. I meant for people betting well under pinnacle's max bets.

[Hareeba!]

Relax brah. I'm smaller time than you. I meant for people betting well under pinnacle's max bets.

Pinnacle's max. bets vary enormously depending on when and what you are betting.

[Monte]

1 mistake in Nicky's post thou, -183 +173 doesn't exist at Pinny anymore, they scale almost as crappy as other books now.
Example from today
Mavericks -153
Suns +138

[Odessa]

futures only?
no games?

Games will be posted after Selection Sunday. I guess you don't much about College basketball.

[Hareeba!]

Games will be posted after Selection Sunday. I guess you don't much about College basketball.

ok Odessa

you're right ... simply not on my radar at all