Time for US players to get out?

[onlooker]

With another SBRpro rule change (Sportsbook deposits not a option to go Pro after March 7th), is that a green light to get out of offshore? SBR is covering their ass, should we?



I'm back mainly to betting in town as it is already. Just holding on to a offshore book for bets here and there.

[samgurt]

that was my exact thought when I read the thread about PRO renewals and signups

[nosniboR11]

yes exactly

[k13]

Business as Usual.

[yisman]

I would've thought the SBR Pro program would come to an end before they removed the sportsbook option. Not sure what the point is for them anymore.

[Dad]

So what are our options to stay pro?

[jjgold]

I do not get the pro renewal thing

What does that mean??

I would never ever play at a high profile like BODOG that is the number 1 sportsbook targeted by the justice dpt

Any AMERICAN should pull out of there

[onlooker]

So what are our options to stay pro?

Here is John's announcement on it Dad.

http://forum.sbrforum.com/players-talk/1606925-changes-sbr-pro-program-us-users.html

[DirkDiggs]

I do not get the pro renewal thing

What does that mean??

I would never ever play at a high profile like BODOG that is the number 1 sportsbook targeted by the justice dpt

Any AMERICAN should pull out of there

Americans have not been able to play at Bodog for a couple of months now. Bovada is operated by Mohawk Gaming of Canada which actually ran the shop at Bodog.com for the previous two years and just used the brand.

Bottom line, I firmly believe funds at established books are safe, but it is going to continue to be a bitch to deposit/withdraw.

[jjgold]

We just better hope Bovada has zero ties to Calvin

[k13]

So what are our options to stay pro?

Fantasy Sports, charity donation,

[SBR_John]

I don't think players will see any changes. One suggestion for players is to check to see if the book they are about to join has a working .eu or.ca, .lv, ect.

The US has developed a mentality that it can simply take a .com name. Nearly all the top books have a working .eu mirror site. If you type in 5dimes.eu. for example, you see it works fine although they are not using it for now.

[onlooker]

Why not make SBR a .eu, .ca, .lv, etc.?

[Louisvillekid1]

I'd be nervous...

[William Walters]

I don't think players will see any changes. One suggestion for players is to check to see if the book they are about to join has a working .eu or.ca, .lv, ect.

The US has developed a mentality that it can simply take a .com name. Nearly all the top books have a working .eu mirror site. If you type in 5dimes.eu. for example, you see it works fine although they are not using it for now.

So money may not be safe at betislands?

[byronbb]

Bodog.ca emailed me this morning assuring me that my money is safe.

[crustyme]

vegas or bust.

[Gruntworker]

Why not make SBR a .eu, .ca, .lv, etc.?

Agreed, is this a possibility John?

I was saving up for an iPad, but was holding off since they will be announcing the iPad 3 soon. I'm wondering if I'm better off just buying the iPad 2 now before any other changes hit us...

[SBR_John]

We have a working .ca, sbrforum.ca, and will soon have the .eu working but we plan to have content in those two cases specific to Canada and Europe.

For SBR we have to avoid expensive litigation and error on the side of caution. We are currently about to go to trial with a handicapping group which we will win on some frivolous copyright suit about a poster posting a play on the forum. We will win easily but the legal bills are burdensome.

[flyingillini]

We have a working .ca, sbrforum.ca, and will soon have the .eu working but we plan to have content in those two cases specific to Canada and Europe.

For SBR we have to avoid expensive litigation and error on the side of caution. We are currently about to go to trial with a handicapping group which we will win on some frivolous copyright suit about a poster posting a play on the forum. We will win easily but the legal bills are burdensome.

May Jesus Christ be on your side in Court. SBR 3:16

[Gruntworker]

It's a message board... do they seriously expect you to be able to parse through every single post and determine which posts are factual and which may be a joke? Better yet, a message board about sports handicapping. Can't even believe that case is even going to trial.

[wantitall4moi]

Bodog.ca emailed me this morning assuring me that my money is safe.

LMAO what else are they going to do?

I would have loved to have guys like the suckers who are still posting up funds at these places when I was under indictment back in the day. Imagine if I had emailed everyone I knew and told them not to worry and to keep sending money and have no fears. What a frigging joke.

As for the OP question the time to get out was about 5 years ago. It isnt the gambling that is the problem it is the BANKING. Anyone that sends money to anybody without any safeguards to how they might get that money back is a frigging idiot.

US shut down the money side. While most people look at it as them slamming gambling it isnt. But guys are so naive they believe everything someone claims and then just run with it.

There are a lot of LEGAL websites that you cant send money to through a direct debit or CC transaction. So it isnt the legality of the site or what it does just how the banking system works.

Ultimately it comes down to common sense, which not many people have.

[jjgold]

Well the best thing to do is just not send money that you actually need to live

Send money you expect to lose and might never see again if they get raided

If you win get it out and if you have an issue see me

[RedSox88]

Doesnt matter

FACT: if the DOJ goes in and shuts down a website like 5 DIMES to cutoff US players our player funds will still be safe.


DOJ shut me down when i had an account on POKERSTARS and the DOJ allowed pokerstars to make one final payment to US players and then be done with it

so worst case senario is you have a balance in a sportsbook, the DOJ shuts it down, you will no longer be able to bet but you will def be able to get your funds...

might take a while but your funds will not be lost DOJ is at least partially considerate in that area.

[The Kraken]

Look, burt rapp is running half of these joints. Be glad you still have a pecker left to play with. If you think your money is safe, youre dumber than a junebug on a stick. Only place your money is safe is in a can buried in the backyard. Boys, the doj gonna effectively end online sb and replace it with a las vegas online book. In exchange for guaranteed payouts and safety of funds, you will see more 30 and 40 cent lines.

[ACoochy]

Business as Usual.

Doesnt John wish...

[jjgold]

Well the best thing to do is just not send money that you actually need to live

Send money you expect to lose and might never see again if they get raided

If you win get it out and if you have an issue see me

good point

[BIGDAY]

Love it when 3rd shift JJ approves of 2nd shift JJ.

[allabout the $$$]

Love it when 3rd shift JJ approves of 2nd shift JJ.

[HauntingTheHoly]

Doesnt matter

FACT: if the DOJ goes in and shuts down a website like 5 DIMES to cutoff US players our player funds will still be safe.


DOJ shut me down when i had an account on POKERSTARS and the DOJ allowed pokerstars to make one final payment to US players and then be done with it

so worst case senario is you have a balance in a sportsbook, the DOJ shuts it down, you will no longer be able to bet but you will def be able to get your funds...

might take a while but your funds will not be lost DOJ is at least partially considerate in that area.

Did FULL TILT ever pay? Whatever happened there? I got like 65 bucks in there but actually have never even seen the DOJ hack of their site, as I hadn't been going much and no need to once I heard the news.

[Cuse0323]

The crazy conspiracist in me says with this news and Heritage opening up to everyone that the US books make one last cash grab before they shut down. But, I'm sure everything will be fine like after every scare.

[onlooker]

As for the OP question the time to get out was about 5 years ago. It isnt the gambling that is the problem it is the BANKING. Anyone that sends money to anybody without any safeguards to how they might get that money back is a frigging idiot.

Yeah I knew that. I haven't deposited in a few years now, and just at one offshore book now with a low balance. That I really don't mind if it gets tied up for a while, but I'm sure others have funds they can't live without for a extended amount of time.

Love it when 3rd shift JJ approves of 2nd shift JJ.

[mighty maron]

We have a working .ca, sbrforum.ca, and will soon have the .eu working but we plan to have content in those two cases specific to Canada and Europe.

For SBR we have to avoid expensive litigation and error on the side of caution. We are currently about to go to trial with a handicapping group which we will win on some frivolous copyright suit about a poster posting a play on the forum. We will win easily but the legal bills are burdensome.

The 64k question...if SBR had a foreign domain would this lawsuit at the time the "infraction" occured have a much less chance of success or even being filed? IF you feel that the chances are less you have to look at how much money you make extra by keeping the .com domain verses the cost of defending these clown lawsuits.

Face it...sbr pro program got taxed (decreased in perks) to pay for the Defence of this lawsuit....my opinion only

[SBR_John]

The 64k question...if SBR had a foreign domain would this lawsuit at the time the "infraction" occured have a much less chance of success or even being filed? IF you feel that the chances are less you have to look at how much money you make extra by keeping the .com domain verses the cost of defending these clown lawsuits.

Face it...sbr pro program got taxed (decreased in perks) to pay for the Defence of this lawsuit....my opinion only

I hear ya. It gets complicated. The same group sued a competitor and they basically never showed. But we respond to all matters because it seems like the responsible thing to do. Now I'm less sure. We learned a lot about how to avoid suits in the future so it hasn't been a complete loss. Plus, we plan to sue them to recover our 6 figures in legal fees once we have our day in court.

[lemart5]

Calvin Aire has been waiving his ass in the face of the US government for a while people who do that usually get indicted .