Aqueduct can be the most pathetic track

jjgold · 02-19-12, 07:57 PM

Too many small fields
Racing dead in USA for the most part

Reload · 02-19-12, 08:00 PM

Originally posted by jjgold

Too many small fields
Racing dead in USA for the most part

Seven or less horses in all of the Pick 6

gafl · 02-19-12, 08:16 PM

NYRA said that with higher purses from the casino, there would be bigger fields and a higher caliber of horses this winter. Didn't work out that way. They run 75k handicaps several times a week, usually have 5 or 6 starters. Wonder how long it will take the states to realize they are wasting money with increased purses and run the casinos apart from the racetracks?

wtf · 02-19-12, 08:23 PM

aqueduct is a gold mine

but the small fields are a strange phenomena

in the uk and ireland they get 20 horses entered for less than 10k

there must be something wrong with the economics of owning a horse, the industry can be saved

also, they should shift the money to claiming races, those overnight handicaps NEVER FILL anyway unless they are on the grass

gafl · 02-19-12, 08:29 PM

Aqueduct used to close for the winter, until they came up with the great idea of the inner track. Think what a gold mine Aqueduct would be without the track, just a casino.

harthebar · 02-19-12, 09:20 PM

yes the meadowlands also i hit the pick 4 paid 85.00 my buddy hit the pick 6 which starts two races ahead of the pick 4 paid 56.00 how do you figure that <TABLE border=0 cellSpacing=0 width="100%"><TBODY><TR><TD>$2 P04 (3/4/4/8) match 4 paid $166.00</TD></TR><TR><TD>$2 P06 (7/2/3/4/4/8) match 6 paid $117.80</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

davidchong · 02-19-12, 09:22 PM

few months ago i saw pick 6 @santa anita 6 of 6 pays $900...

gulfstream park is killing all other tracks

harthebar · 02-19-12, 09:26 PM

$2 P04 (3/1/1/6) match 4 paid $1,902.60<TABLE border=0 cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR><TD><SUP></SUP></TD><TD>3</TD><TD>WIT AND WISDOM</TD><TD>$4.20</TD><TD>$3.00</TD><TD>$2.60</TD></TR><TR><TD>2<SUP>nd</SUP></TD><TD>6</TD><TD>** WILLIAM</TD><TD></TD><TD>$20.20</TD><TD>$6.60</TD></TR><TR><TD>3<SUP>rd</SUP></TD><TD>5</TD><TD>FOX RIVER MARK

</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE border=0 cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR><TD>1<SUP>st</SUP></TD><TD>1</TD><TD>DR DREAMY</TD><TD>$4.00</TD><TD>$3.20</TD><TD>$2.40</TD></TR><TR><TD>2<SUP>nd</SUP></TD><TD>2</TD><TD>ART GRAM</TD><TD></TD><TD>$8.20</TD><TD>$4.00</TD></TR><TR><TD>3<SUP>rd</SUP></TD><TD>6</TD><TD>VILLAGE BLAST</TD><TD></TD><TD></TD><TD>$3.20</TD></TR><TR><TD>4<SUP>th</SUP></TD><TD>3</TD><TD>MALOSI N</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE border=0 cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR><TD>1<SUP>st</SUP></TD><TD>1</TD><TD>DON'T FOOL ME NOW</TD><TD>$5.80</TD><TD>$3.00</TD><TD>$3.20</TD></TR><TR><TD>2<SUP>nd</SUP></TD><TD>3</TD><TD>SECTIONLINE BLAST</TD><TD></TD><TD>$3.00</TD><TD>$3.00</TD></TR><TR><TD>3<SUP>rd</SUP></TD><TD>7</TD><TD>THE QUIET VILLAGE</TD><TD></TD><TD></TD><TD>$7.00</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

<TABLE border=0 cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR><TD>1<SUP>st</SUP></TD><TD>6</TD><TD>IT WAS AN HONOR</TD><TD>$10.40</TD><TD>$7.80</TD><TD>$4.80</TD></TR><TR><TD>2<SUP>nd</SUP></TD><TD>4</TD><TD>FEETS OF MAGIC</TD><TD></TD><TD>$4.60</TD><TD>$5.40</TD></TR><TR><TD>3<SUP>rd</SUP></TD><TD>8</TD><TD>HAROUN HANOVER</TD><TD></TD><TD></TD><TD>$9.80</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

the prices are in red for the winners at dover the pick 4 paid 1902.02 in red how do you get that price...feb 6

harthebar · 02-19-12, 09:30 PM

your right about gulfstream all the money is in their pools really high prices

jjgold · 02-19-12, 10:48 PM

Best racing is in Aussie and then followed by the UK
New Zealand ok..Ireland much smaller

Honk Kong good but only 2 nights a week

USA fading more and more

MonkeyF0cker · 02-20-12, 06:24 AM

Originally posted by jjgold

Too many small fields
Racing dead in USA for the most part

There aren't many players left. At least not in Vegas. Maybe the tracks milked them dry? There are only a handful of regular players left here. Some of the old timers tell me about how big horse racing used to be. Might just be a generational thing. Pretty rare to see any serious handicapper that's under 50 in Vegas.

MonkeyF0cker · 02-20-12, 06:30 AM

By the way, there's a nice pick 6 carryover ($162k I think) at Santa Anita tomorrow (today, whatever).

BuckeyeT · 02-20-12, 06:33 AM

Ridiculously small fields and insane takeouts is why Aqueduct is a terrible track to bet on.

wtt0315 · 02-20-12, 07:32 AM

poker has replaced horse racing with the younger generations. I can go to gulfstream and see 100 people betting on horses and 400 in their poker room. Television has made these 21 year olds think they are great poker players all they have to do is put on a hoodie and act tough. Most of these youth are too stupid to figure out how to read a form book.

cankid · 02-20-12, 08:32 AM

you got that right

KC · 02-20-12, 08:42 AM

Originally posted by gafl

Aqueduct used to close for the winter, until they came up with the great idea of the inner track. Think what a gold mine Aqueduct would be without the track, just a casino.

I think two more years and they winterize Belmont and run year round while Aqueduct is just a casino/convention center

jjgold · 02-20-12, 08:45 AM

Why is racing so huge in UK, Aus and HK???

mikemca · 02-20-12, 08:48 AM

Originally posted by BuckeyeT

Ridiculously small fields and insane takeouts is why Aqueduct is a terrible track to bet on.

The takeout on exactas and doubles are the best in the country at Aqueduct and the w/p/s take is better than 99% of the rest.The only circuit with better w/p/s is the California tracks but Aqueduct/NYRA isn't much more so overall Aqueduct has the best takeout rates in the USA unless you are a trifecta/superfecta player but everywhere is ridiculous with them.

The reason for the small fields is because most of the trainers spend the winter in Florida so Aqueduct basically becomes Finger Lakes with all those trainers moving in without the big name competition.

Joe Dogs · 02-20-12, 08:53 AM

Horse racing dying a slow death.

Younger guys rather hit the casinos.

harthebar · 02-20-12, 09:53 AM

Your right about the poker players and youth hoodies..the. funny thing is this is there form of a sport.they are all small its funny ..I was at a table the average height was about 5 5 l.

gafl · 02-20-12, 10:13 AM

KC, there has been talk for years about winterizing Belmont. It would cost alot of money to do. If you've ever been to Belmont late in the fall meet, it can get really cold inside because Belmont is not heated. Belmont is one of the best and beautiful tracks in the country. 2 turf courses, 1 1/2 mile main track, large park area behind the stands. Feel that if NYRA is allowed to do this, Belmont will never be the same. Also what I meant about closing the Aqueduct track was that the state will realize that the money from the casino can and should be spent on things other than subsidizing New York racing.

harthebar · 02-20-12, 10:52 AM

I like that finger lakes thought .your right ...David Carr....speed favorites...

Dark Horse · 02-20-12, 06:10 PM

Originally posted by jjgold

Best racing is in Aussie and then followed by the UK
New Zealand ok..Ireland much smaller

Honk Kong good but only 2 nights a week

USA fading more and more

Very good jockeys in the US. Trained in places like Panama. Look at their positioning compared to those jockeys we watched in Black Caviar's race. Those Ozzie riders are standing almost straight up, where the riders here are bent very low. I don't see enough Australian racing to compare, but it would really surprise me if the level of actual racing wasn't higher in the US.

CanuckG · 02-20-12, 06:18 PM

Originally posted by jjgold

Best racing is in Aussie and then followed by the UK
New Zealand ok..Ireland much smaller

Honk Kong good but only 2 nights a week

USA fading more and more

Saturday down at the racebook Hong Kong races get intense

harthebar · 02-20-12, 07:07 PM

Here your dream just like the movie luck
pick six at gulfstream paid 3455054.08 thats for 9.60/5.60/183.00/18.80/4.60/7.40

183.00 was the all ticket and the 18.80 was escobars trainer....there it was boys today at golfstream pick 4 paid 45000 pick pick 5 paid 85000 just one all ticket....

jjgold · 02-20-12, 07:43 PM

Originally posted by Dark Horse

Very good jockeys in the US. Trained in places like Panama. Look at their positioning compared to those jockeys we watched in Black Caviar's race. Those Ozzie riders are standing almost straight up, where the riders here are bent very low. I don't see enough Australian racing to compare, but it would really surprise me if the level of actual racing wasn't higher in the US.

Much more money bet in Aus, New Zea, HK and UK vs usa racing

ByeShea · 02-20-12, 08:00 PM

Out of the game a few years but I loved Tampa Bay Downs in the winter and remember they had big fields of cheap 3-year olds, used to see lots of big prices.

Reload · 02-20-12, 08:08 PM

Originally posted by harthebar

Here your dream just like the movie luck
pick six at gulfstream paid 3455054.08 thats for 9.60/5.60/183.00/18.80/4.60/7.40

183.00 was the all ticket and the 18.80 was escobars trainer....there it was boys today at golfstream pick 4 paid 45000 pick pick 5 paid 85000 just one all ticket....

Would have liked to see the "Will Pay" screen going into that last race, harthebar. I'd like to be there yelling at the screen like the guys on "Luck" - "the chalk's drifting out...the chalk's drifting out....it's the whole pot..."

jjgold · 02-20-12, 08:11 PM

I play around a little with Aussie Horse Racing and a little NY Circuit

Zero in on a few tracks only and study everything about the track

flyingillini · 02-20-12, 08:14 PM

If you play horses professionally you know the only real track to be playing at is Freehold. The real players play at Freehold and know the deal. It's not a place for rookies, it's for the true player.