Justified wager grade or ripped off?

tacomax · 05-21-06, 07:22 PM

First of all, you're right that WillHill are a very respected book but are missing from the SBR ratings for some reason.

What I would do is wait for the response from WH to appear and take it from there. If you don't get a response from them or you don't agree with their reasoning then you can contact Bill Dozer at Assistance@SportsbookReview.com and see what he can do for you. I seem to recall that he's had success in the past with queries at WH so there's definately a line of communication there.

Stumpage · 05-21-06, 07:27 PM

Thanks for your assistance Taco...I imagine I have nothing to lose by following your suggestion. I have to think that I'm not the only person whose wagers have been thrown into turmoil by this incident and it's good to get some opinions from those more experienced than myself in the wagering circles, which on this forum would be just about everybody, I have to think. Much appreciated.

dakota5369 · 05-21-06, 11:11 PM

i see you had the same circumstance as me!! it appears we are out of luck. we need to find someone who bet on the draw and see if they got credited with a win

Chuck Sims · 05-21-06, 11:31 PM

Stumpage, The correct decision for grading purposes is a draw. However, if you are playing at a book that grades a fight that ends in a draw a loss, you are playing at the wrong book. A crooked book.

Here in Las Vegas and any respected book since the beginning of time grades a draw a "push" for bets on either fighter. The exception would be if you bet the fighter to win by decision or KO. Also, you would lose if you picked a fighter to win by a specific round.

For anyone to argue that its ok for a book to keep all the money(millions) bet on a fight, including all props, and money bet on either fighter does not know what a fair shake is. Very few people bet on the draw.

dakota5369 · 05-21-06, 11:35 PM

chuck, in the case of my book, the draw was a betting option. so in that case, it seems justified to keep the wagers that were bet on a side. the question remains whether the draw was the legitimate result

Stumpage · 05-21-06, 11:41 PM

Dakota and Chuck, thanks for your thoughts on this incident with regards to my situation. Dakota, I haven't come across anybody who bet the draw on my searches, but I hear the payoff on a draw would have been semewhere in the 25-28 to 1 range...Chuck, In my instance there was a draw option as well, so I guess I'm screwed. I have never made a habit out of betting on boxing, and considering this mess I can see why. Valuable lesson learned, I reckon, but I appreciate the feedback nonetheless.

Chuck Sims · 05-22-06, 12:10 AM

Overturned boxing decisions do happen and obviously the book cannot go back in time and recover the money they paid out and then pay on tickets that were graded as losers. You're out of luck there. The rules on that are clearly stated.

You guys, Vegas has the draw option too. It has nothing to do with your side bet on the fighter.
I cannot believe you accept this thievery so willingly.

presley177 · 05-22-06, 12:39 AM

Originally posted by Chuck Sims

Overturned boxing decisions do happen and obviously the book cannot go back in time and recover the money they paid out and then pay on tickets that were graded as losers. You're out of luck there. The rules on that are clearly stated.

You guys, Vegas has the draw option too. It has nothing to do with your side bet on the fighter.
I cannot believe you accept this thievery so willingly.

maybe I misunderstood what you said(tired) but the boxer he bet on "won" and THEN it was announced a draw. I could see what you mean had the fighter "lost" but he initially won and then became a draw and he's graded for losing the wager.

Again maybe I misunderstood but this bet should be either a push or he wins(if like you said the book can't go back in time)

dakota5369 · 05-22-06, 12:44 AM

presley, you have it backwards. the way it was announced, we lost. but after they recounted we won. however, they did not give us credit for the actual result. i did not see the result until this morning, but the book i was using ALWAYS grades wagers placed on events after 9pm early the next morning. i am sure the bet was not graded until many hours after the result of the fight. so it would not have been hard for the to grade all customers properly. chuck, my site had 2 betting options. 1 had a choice on sides w/ a draw option. the other had it w/o the draw included at reduced odds.

Chuck Sims · 05-22-06, 01:44 AM

dakota5369, At least you knew going in that a draw would be a loser for you. At Pinnacle a pk'em fight is -105 for each fighter. They usually have the best odds on the fav or the dog.

I know that sucks about the book grading the fight after they knew the outcome had been changed but they must follow their own rules. The original scoring was announced as a "draw". They must not cheat the 2 or 3 people that bet the draw. For the hundreds that bet on either fighter at this book. You all have losing tickets. For the rest of us that made our bets in Las Vegas or at the many respected sportsbooks, we get our money back.

JoshW · 05-22-06, 07:17 AM

I believe every Don Best book graded reverse the grading on this one, so you should have a winner. But the European books, including Will Hill, as a rule seem to do what they want at their own pace, so it may take some time to sort it out.