Diaz just proved wha a punk bitch he is post fight

[gabe]

some people will just never understand dude. its MMA. not slugfest xxx. everyone knows Diaz is the better striker and he wants an all out war slug fest, thats when hes at his best when things are wild, sloppy and crazy. Condit is not going to play that game, why would he? he stayed disciplined got in the pocket when he needed to and when he got in there HE MADE IT COUNT than got out...wash rinse repeat. not sit there and trade punches with a guy who is begging for that.... its like a pitcher in the world series with the bases loaded 2 outs up by 1 run 3-1 count..and say the batter is a .400 fastball hitter...is the pitcher going to throw a dead red fastball heater? **** no. I know its not the greatest of comparisons but some people just dont get it.

TERRIBLE comparison!!!!

He knows he can't beat his opponent so he designs a gameplan to cheat his way to becoming the Champion? If you don't believe you can beat your opponent by engaging him, then you know you don't deserve to be the Champion!!! Simple as that!

If Condit's gameplan was to run around and outscore Diaz with legkicks, then OK, but he lost the fight anyway. Diaz STILL won rounds 1, 2, and 5!

[jizay]

Agreed - Diaz is a major punk bitch and whiny brat. If this were the first time, maybe it would be understandable. But he is literally a bitch about every single loss he has. Look at the first Noons fight. How about getting into it at the hospital after losing to Riggs? Remember when he openly whined after losing a decision to Sherk? Or how about the best of all, crying that the decision loss to Diego was unfair, even though he was obviously dominated. Sore loser and poor sportsman for his entire career.

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209 MutherFu-kers

[flyingillini]

209 MutherFu-kers

209 represent!

[The HOFF]

TERRIBLE comparison!!!!

He knows he can't beat his opponent so he designs a gameplan to cheat his way to becoming the Champion? If you don't believe you can beat your opponent by engaging him, then you know you don't deserve to be the Champion!!! Simple as that!

If Condit's gameplan was to run around and outscore Diaz with legkicks, then OK, but he lost the fight anyway. Diaz STILL won rounds 1, 2, and 5!

Damn you Carlos! He'll probably cheat against GSP by making a plan to avoid being taken down too. What a sneaky little bastard.

[gabe]

Damn you Carlos! He'll probably cheat against GSP by making a plan to avoid being taken down too. What a sneaky little bastard.

Only way he could beat GSP is if he uses the same gameplan, loses the fight, and wins the decision. Only way he's not getting taken down is if he successfully keeps running away.

LOL @ Winning a fight when your opponent is chasing you around, dropping his hands, taunting you, and calling you a bitch - that is all. If you don't find humor in that, then you and I enjoy this sport for different reasons. I enjoy watching fighters apply their skills to win fights. You can't say Condit won that fight using his Muay Thai. Running away, throwing a leg kick, and running away again is NOT Muay Thai. I would have loved to have seen him beat up Diaz with Muay Thai, using beautiful kicks, knees, elbows. Would have loved to have seen him be aggressive and put a Muay Thai clinic on Nick. But he did not do that. The best part of watching MMA is to see the fighters using their honed skills from all the martial arts and seeing which of them comes out on top. Diaz used a boxing approach to the fight, but Condit did not use any approach. I would have liked to have seen a Boxer vs Muay Thai kickboxer match-up, but what I saw was a Boxer vs Runaway artist match-up. Anybody who disagrees with me should be ashamed to call themselves an MMA fan. You are no good for the future of the sport. God forbid you/this encourages fighters to apply similar point system strategies rather than engage in fights and try to KO or submit their opponents.

[The HOFF]

LOL @ thinking someone won a fight by dropping their hands, taunting, and calling his opponent a bitch.

"Diaz used a boxing approach to the fight." And he had no answer for anything Condit did. He couldn't adapt and figure out how to beat him.

There is more to a fight than just brawling. Take Diaz's nuts out of your mouth and look at the fight objectively. I guarantee if you had big money on Condit you'd be on here defending how he won.

[hels]

LOL @ thinking someone won a fight by dropping their hands, taunting, and calling his opponent a bitch. "Diaz used a boxing approach to the fight." And he had no answer for anything Condit did. He couldn't adapt and figure out how to beat him. There is more to a fight than just brawling. Take Diaz's nuts out of your mouth and look at the fight objectively. I guarantee if you had big money on Condit you'd be on here defending how he won.

Some people just won't give up thinking Condit is the greatest. You need to take Condit's nuts out of your mouth and start thinking objectively. He ran around for 5 rounds and even though Diaz's face looked beat up he was not hurt at all.

Fact of the matter is Condit had the better gameplan. He ran away for 5 rounds and the judges took his side. Out of 100 fights they each get the decision 50 times. No one deserved to win. They were both losers. Condit the biggest loser but the outcome was known before the fight began.

[hels]

I for one will not bet another dollar on mma. Just like boxing and wwe.... sad but it was inevitable.

[5mike5]

another poster claiming the "fix" is on

totally embarassing

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209 mutherfu_kers

where u at????

[lovetobet]

Wow, it's really classic how many of you are supposedly really really big fans of MMA and obviously watch a lot of this sport and just don't get it.

As people have mentioned in different ways if you want PHONE BOOTH fighting then go create that, I'm only a casual fan and there were a couple of obvious things in this fight.

Condit had a very good game plan to accentuate his strengths in the fight and neutralize Diaz's strengths and he worked it to perfection.

Diaz (and his corner) showed they had ZERO game plan for this fight and expected Condit to stand and trade with him, when this didn't happen he was LOST and neither him nor his corner had an answer for this problem. Diaz doesn't strike me as the sharpest knife in the drawer from the different interviews I've seen through the years thus I certainly place A LOT of blame on his corner/trainers for not having/coming up with a better game plan if/when Condit would not stand and trade.

This isn't rocket science and it's true in most sports. Smart athletes, coaches, etc. PLAY TO THEIR OWN STRENGTHS AND THE WEAKNESSES OF THEIR OPPONENTS. Same thing in war. Again not rocket science. Although no one is going to claim Diaz is a rocket scientist.

And really 209??? Seriously, 209 is a feking shiithole!!!

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Nor cal

[lovetobet]

Nor Cal is solid. 209 not so much, pretty much the Taint of Nor Cal.

[sideloaded]

Dont be scared homie

[zoo youk]

it seems Gabe knows all and anyone who disagrees with him are the dumbest motherfuckers on the planet.

hey gabe if you were in the ring with Mike Tyson and you knew if you stood in the pocket and in is reach youd get knocked the **** out, would you stand there and trade punches with him, making you a complete fkn fool?!??! NO.

you would have a game plan. youd bob, weave, work circles in the ring/cage...take out the fighters legs (leg kicks) knowing that your power is generated from your legs and hips..thus leg kicks repeatedly = stiff legs = no power in the opponents punch. than when your opportunities open up THAN you go inside the pocket, strike quickly, with combinations (which Condit did all night) and GET OUT. wash rinse repeat. also while remaining your distance throw kicks to the face (which Condit landed 3) to go for the KO..just happens they werent clean enough, but certainly effective, dont get that mistaken.

you guys act like seriously the guy ran around the ring the entire time playing ******* freeze tag.

and Illini you seem like a cool dude..but your a bold older white guy from the Bay Area...quit posting horrible gang banging music...acting like you rep that shit, where in reality if you ever stepped on the scene youd get ******* clowned.

[lovetobet]

Not scared at all "homie" just know the difference between a nice place to live and a TAINT.

Wine country - nice
Nor cal Coast - nice
Tahoe - nice
Other areas of sierra nevada - nice
Santa Cruz Mtns. - Nice

Stockton, Modesto, Fresno, Bakersfield (yeah I know more So. Cal), etc., etc., pretty much the asshole of California. And anyone who grew up in these areas and then got out WILL BE THE FIRST ONE'S TO TELL YOU THIS. Just saying.

[zoo youk]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlFRTXsBtxg

I dont see any running from Condit there...and that was basically his strategy all night. THE ENTIRE LENGTH OF THE VIDEO CONDIT IS IN PLENTY OF FAIR REACH FOR DIAZ TO SHOOT AND GO FOR THE TAKE DOWN AND WORK FROM THERE, NOT ONE ATTEMPT ALL NIGHT TO TILL THE END OF THE LAST ROUND, why dont you bitch about that???

[gabe]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlFRTXsBtxg I dont see any running from Condit there...and that was basically his strategy all night. THE ENTIRE LENGTH OF THE VIDEO CONDIT IS IN PLENTY OF FAIR REACH FOR DIAZ TO SHOOT AND GO FOR THE TAKE DOWN AND WORK FROM THERE, NOT ONE ATTEMPT ALL NIGHT TO TILL THE END OF THE LAST ROUND, why dont you bitch about that???

Why would he feel the need to take him down when he feels he is up 3 rounds to 1? If you think you're winning the fight as it is, you don't look for takedowns. You look for takedowns when you feel you're losing and need to do something! Fool.

[illmatick]

anyone can doctor shit up, that video proves nothing.

[King Mayan]

anyone can doctor shit up, that video proves nothing.

That shit is embarrassing...

MMA used to be about showing you martial arts skills, now it's about winning rounds... unreal..

[Vaughany]

stfu- i said numerous times that the brookins/koch fight was boring but brookins edged it out.

and stfu again- condit didn't prevent diaz from implementing his game plan. diaz didn't have a game plan. his plan was to fight. he kicked his ass best he could with him running away the entire fight. diaz' "gameplan" was to kick Condit's ass, and he STILL did it with Condit backing up.

I'm glad you enjoyed Condit's performance. I personally feel I was robbed of a great fight. We enjoy this sport for different reasons, apparently,

You didnt say Brookins "edged it out"...it's there in black and white...you said he "dominated"... edged it out is not the same as dominated!

I just proved that you are completely contradicting yourself. One minute you're saying that Brookins won a fight because he prevented somebody from implementing a game-plan and because he aggravated him, then when somebody else does the same thing (Condit) it suddenly doesnt count. How can u not see that?

Saying STFU is a response that a 14 year old retard would give and shows tht you know you don't have a legit answer.

[GunShard]

anyone can doctor shit up, that video proves nothing.

Lol, next time anyone fights Condit, take the fight to the ground and finish it. Condit pussed out.

[Vaughany]

Only way he could beat GSP is if he uses the same gameplan, loses the fight, and wins the decision. Only way he's not getting taken down is if he successfully keeps running away.

LOL @ Winning a fight when your opponent is chasing you around, dropping his hands, taunting you, and calling you a bitch - that is all. If you don't find humor in that, then you and I enjoy this sport for different reasons. I enjoy watching fighters apply their skills to win fights. You can't say Condit won that fight using his Muay Thai. Running away, throwing a leg kick, and running away again is NOT Muay Thai. I would have loved to have seen him beat up Diaz with Muay Thai, using beautiful kicks, knees, elbows. Would have loved to have seen him be aggressive and put a Muay Thai clinic on Nick. But he did not do that. The best part of watching MMA is to see the fighters using their honed skills from all the martial arts and seeing which of them comes out on top. Diaz used a boxing approach to the fight, but Condit did not use any approach. I would have liked to have seen a Boxer vs Muay Thai kickboxer match-up, but what I saw was a Boxer vs Runaway artist match-up. Anybody who disagrees with me should be ashamed to call themselves an MMA fan. You are no good for the future of the sport. God forbid you/this encourages fighters to apply similar point system strategies rather than engage in fights and try to KO or submit their opponents.

The fact tht you think it would be as easy as that againt Diaz shows tht u have no idea what your talkin about!
Trying to KO their opponents? I seem to remember Condit being the only one to land head-kicks which would of done more damage on a fighter without a granite chin like Diaz.

[gabe]

You didnt say Brookins "edged it out"...it's there in black and white...you said he "dominated"... edged it out is not the same as dominated!

I just proved that you are completely contradicting yourself. One minute you're saying that Brookins won a fight because he prevented somebody from implementing a game-plan and because he aggravated him, then when somebody else does the same thing (Condit) it suddenly doesnt count. How can u not see that?

Saying STFU is a response that a 14 year old retard would give and shows tht you know you don't have a legit answer.

Again, Condit did not keep Diaz from implementing his gameplan. Diaz plan was to get in there and fight. Condit's was to run. He ran, but he still lost. Yet he still got the decision.

Brookins controlled the fight, but he barely did anything. That is both domination and edging it out. Point is, he kept Koch from doing anything to him. Boring fight. He didn't run away from Koch. He pressed on. It's not the same thing. Quit your terrible comparisons. If you're gonna use a comparison, use a fighter who ran from his opponent the entire fight. Not one who engages his opponent.

aaaand i'm pretty sure that telling you to stfu reflects my annoyance @ you saying stupid shit

I said it before and I'll say it again: It is clear that you and I enjoy watching MMA for different reasons. I would have been happy watching a Boxer vs Muay Thai kickboxer fight, and you are happy watching a Boxer vs Runner fight. The fact that you actually thought that was a good fight says a lot. Can't believe you didn't win that FOTN bet.

[gabe]

The fact tht you think it would be as easy as that againt Diaz shows tht u have no idea what your talkin about! Trying to KO their opponents? I seem to remember Condit being the only one to land head-kicks which would of done more damage on a fighter without a granite chin like Diaz.

Did I say it would be easy for Condit to beat Diaz? I didn't know what would happen, but I thought he had a chance. After seeing the fight, it is clear that Condit knew that he can't beat Diaz. His only option was to run, kick, run??? The only reason he wants to be Champion is for teh money that comes with it. He knows he's not the best. You have to know you're not the best when you're afraid to fight guys in your division and run from them.

LOL @ refering to those flashy but ineffective head kicks as "going for the knockout"

"I seem to remember Condit being the only one to land head kicks..."

Are you retarded? WTF do head kicks have to do with anything? Diaz isn't a kickboxer. BUT STILL- you're wrong. He did kick Condit in the face once during the fight. - And I bet you Diaz's fists hurt more than Condit's feet!

You and I watch this sport for dif reasons. Leave it at that.

[Vaughany]

Again, Condit did not keep Diaz from implementing his gameplan. Diaz plan was to get in there and fight. Condit's was to run. He ran, but he still lost. Yet he still got the decision.

Brookins controlled the fight, but he barely did anything. That is both domination and edging it out. Point is, he kept Koch from doing anything to him. Boring fight. He didn't run away from Koch. He pressed on. It's not the same thing. Quit your terrible comparisons. If you're gonna use a comparison, use a fighter who ran from his opponent the entire fight. Not one who engages his opponent.

aaaand i'm pretty sure that telling you to stfu reflects my annoyance @ you saying stupid shit

I said it before and I'll say it again: It is clear that you and I enjoy watching MMA for different reasons. I would have been happy watching a Boxer vs Muay Thai kickboxer fight, and you are happy watching a Boxer vs Runner fight. The fact that you actually thought that was a good fight says a lot. Can't believe you didn't win that FOTN bet.

I find hugging an opponent for 3 rounds a lot more boring than somebody like Condit who perhaps "runs" but also throws spinning back fists and lands numerous punches, leg kicks and head kicks. I dont know how anybody can say any different to tht.

The fact that I didnt get FOTN shows tht like u I'd of been much happier had it been a an epic brawl. The fact is that I can understand Condit's position. He's got a wife and kid to support. He'd just witnessed his team-mate Cerrone try and brawl with a Diaz and end up getting his ass kicked. He knew that Diaz has a granite chin and cardio for days. So why stand there in front of him planting your feet throwing wild hooks when u know it's not gonna stop him. Yes that would of been a lot more entertaining, but I can understand why he didnt do that and respect him for it. It's not like his last 6 fights have been similar, he is arguably the most exciting fighter in MMA - who else has KO'd Dan Hardy, KO'd Stungun, and finished Rory macdonald? Im sure they'll be plenty more like tht in the future. U cant expect every fight to be an epic war.

[gabe]

I find hugging an opponent for 3 rounds a lot more boring than somebody like Condit who perhaps "runs" but also throws spinning back fists and lands numerous punches, leg kicks and head kicks. I dont know how anybody can say any different to tht. The fact that I didnt get FOTN shows tht like u I'd of been much happier had it been a an epic brawl. The fact is that I can understand Condit's position. He's got a wife and kid to support. He'd just witnessed his team-mate Cerrone try and brawl with a Diaz and end up getting his ass kicked. He knew that Diaz has a granite chin and cardio for days. So why stand there in front of him planting your feet throwing wild hooks when u know it's not gonna stop him. Yes that would of been a lot more entertaining, but I can understand why he didnt do that and respect him for it. It's not like his last 6 fights have been similar, he is arguably the most exciting fighter in MMA - who else has KO'd Dan Hardy, KO'd Stungun, and finished Rory macdonald? Im sure they'll be plenty more like tht in the future. U cant expect every fight to be an epic war.

Yes, Koch/Brookins was more boring, I'm not saying otherwise.

You're saying Condit knew he couldn't beat Diaz and this was his only route to a victory... and I would be fine with all that. I would accept that he acted like a bitch and won a decision... but the thing is, Nick Diaz won that fight. Condit's game plan worked, but wasn't 100% successful. It wasn't good enough to get him a win... but somehow, it did...

Listen to Cesar Gracie talk about it, he makes some good points...

Diaz clearly won round 1 and the judges scored it for Condit... if Diaz repeated that Round 1 ass kicking for the next 4 rounds, they would still score him the loser... Unfair judging. Nothing he could have done except finish the fight.

[THE_LOCKSMITH]

Nothing he could have done except finish the fight.

Diaz has not finished either of his fights since his return, and i doubt he'll be able to finish Fitch, Koscheck, Hendricks etc. and the exuse in those fight will be because they will be taking him down. Tough to finish fights when you face top 15 fighter every fight

[raydog]

can someone please post the fight replay or a site that has it...im trying to watch House and got off track with this thread somehow...thanks boys... fwiw, as far as what they teach in judges classes, the "ring presence" isnt graded near as important as other fight features during a round...i didnt see the fight, but if condit landed more punches and leg kicks while backing up, he will still get the rounds...but if someone has a replay, id love to watch...thanks boys

[sideloaded]

ufc was created by the gracies to find out who is the best fighter. Not to find out who can win a points battle with baby leg kicks.

[The Kraken]

Circling away and moving laterally is not running, it's smart. First rule in a fight is to not get hit. Condit fought smart and minimized Diaz's strengths. He never had Diaz hurt but on the points system in place, he won the fight. It's important to know the rules and how fights are scored if you're not going to finish the fight.

LOL side, the gracies were and are notorious for not actually fighting. Some of the longest lay in pray matches in history involved them. They're notorious for not taking punishment at all costs and "running"

[gabe]

Circling away and moving laterally is not running, it's smart. First rule in a fight is to not get hit. Condit fought smart and minimized Diaz's strengths. He never had Diaz hurt but on the points system in place, he won the fight. It's important to know the rules and how fights are scored if you're not going to finish the fight.

LOL side, the gracies were and are notorious for not actually fighting. Some of the longest lay in pray matches in history involved them. They're notorious for not taking punishment at all costs and "running"

What Dominick Cruz does is called circling away and moving laterally. What Carlos Condit did was run away and incorporate some kicks and combinations along with the running. Nobody is saying ALL he did is run away. But its certainly well over 80% of what he did in the fight.

I've never seen Royce Gracie run from an opponent. He engages and looks for submissions. Carlos Condit had a chance to win, if he believed in himself, and actually fought... He could have won rounds by using his clinch and landing knees on Diaz. He could have tried to get Nick against the cage. He could have attempted to do plenty. Instead, he played the point game in a town he knows where the judges don't like Diaz. Smart move by Jackson, to go that route. It got them money. They don't care that Condit looked like a bitch and didn't fight. They took their easiest path to $$$$$$$$$$$$$

If point scoring is as important as you claim, then judges are irrelevant.

[SBR_John]

Question for those that thought 49-46 was the right score in fight. What round did you give Diaz? I thought it was a close fight. Thought Diaz won 1,2,and 5 small and Condit won 3 and 4 big. I could see rd 2 going Condit but thought the decision could have gone either way.

Gave 2,3,4 rounds easily to Condit. 1 and 5 were very close but even given them both to diaz he still losses.

[The Kraken]

I disagree, I think he circled away, kicked and then kept distance. You, and many others, think he ran away. It's all water cooler talk at this point.

The scoring system is flawed. It's obvious. But it's the same for each fighter, every fight. And consistency is key. And the scorecards for this fight were pretty consistent. No judge had Diaz winning more than two rounds, so apparently they all saw the same thing and basically judged it the same way. If it was a split decision or there was a 49-46 for each fighter, then you'd have a solid argument, but Diaz didn't win the fight on any of the cards.