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  • The Madcap
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    #106
    Originally posted by Tsonga
    You are such an arrogant kid. You obviously walk around with a permanent chip on your shoulder but I will try to enlighten you as to how this disagreement got started.



    You went off on your analysis of the economy in the United States on a pure anecdotal rant. My issue was that you didn't use a single piece of evidence to back up what you said. Anecdotal is ok when you don't have direct evidence to refer to. You do have this (solid/direct evidence) available and you chose just to talk out of your piehole without ever trying to convince someone that you were more than just a blowhard. How do you ever expect to convince someone of anything if all you do is insult and act like the only one's who get things are people like you.

    Shrute, Andywend and bigdaddy as your personal cheerleaders does not mean you are making any progress in being cogent.

    Back to the title of the thread. I realize I haven't given my two cents.

    Consensus on Obama in the north depends on who you talk to and how educated they are. My friends who are in the academic world have a far more enlightened view than my friends who just read the news. We have a classic newspaper for neanderthals in the Toronto Sun. Ask those Canadians how Obama is doing and they would give the same opinion as those Americans who consume a healthy diet of Fox News.

    In general, the view of Obama is positive in Canada.
    Who you calling kid? I'll whip your sorry canuck ass. Got it, eh?

    I used plenty of "evidence." The best kind actually. First hand experience. Which I can guarandamntee you is more accurate than the bullshit you're being spoonfed by other people. Just because it ain't reported in big block letters on the front page of the NY Times for dense ankle-grabbers like you to read doesn't mean it didn't happen.

    Again you fukking twit, almost all history is anecdotal evidence, except for numerical records. The only difference between what you're calling "evidence" and my description is that no reporter called me to write an article about it. Anyone who works in a fukking bank knows what went down, as well as plenty of others who understand how bureaucratic pressure works on private enterprises when they need gov't authorization to operate. The only reason you don't is because you're too fukking stupid and lazy to know where to look.

    I've got a Phd economist from Stanford backing me. What do you have? Not shit. Other than a mouse in your pocket and a bunch of self-absorbed whiny-ass pussy liberal pals "in the academic world" who don't know the first goddam thing about how life works for anyone other than themselves.

    In the words of Shannon Sharpe, "You can't even spell Dow Jones."
    No more of that talk, or I'll put the leeches on you.
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    • frizzelli
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      • 08-06-10
      • 8916

      #107
      Originally posted by The Madcap
      Who you calling kid? I'll whip your sorry canuck ass. Got it, eh? I used plenty of "evidence." The best kind actually. First hand experience. Which I can guarandamntee you is more accurate than the bullshit you're being spoonfed by other people. Just because it ain't reported in big block letters on the front page of the NY Times for dense ankle-grabbers like you to read doesn't mean it didn't happen. Again you fukking twit, almost all history is anecdotal evidence, except for numerical records. The only difference between what you're calling "evidence" and my description is that no reporter called me to write an article about it. Anyone who works in a fukking bank knows what went down, as well as plenty of others who understand how bureaucratic pressure works on private enterprises when they need gov't authorization to operate. The only reason you don't is because you're too fukking stupid and lazy to know where to look. I've got a Phd economist from Stanford backing me. What do you have? Other than a mouse in your pocket and a bunch of self-absorbed whiny-ass pussy liberal pals "in the academic world" who don't know the first goddam thing about how life works for anyone other than themselves. In the words of Shannon Sharpe, "You can't even spell Dow Jones."
      You can run your goof mouth on a tangent all you want, but the fact remains he is looked at in a positive light, end of story.
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      • DwightShrute
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        • 01-17-09
        • 103399

        #108
        Originally posted by The Madcap

        In the words of Shannon Sharpe, "You can't even spell Dow Jones."
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        • Tsonga
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          • 10-12-09
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          #109
          Originally posted by The Madcap
          Who you calling kid? I'll whip your sorry canuck ass. Got it, eh?

          I used plenty of "evidence." The best kind actually. First hand experience. Which I can guarandamntee you is more accurate than the bullshit you're being spoonfed by other people. Just because it ain't reported in big block letters on the front page of the NY Times for dense ankle-grabbers like you to read doesn't mean it didn't happen.

          Again you fukking twit, almost all history is anecdotal evidence, except for numerical records. The only difference between what you're calling "evidence" and my description is that no reporter called me to write an article about it. Anyone who works in a fukking bank knows what went down, as well as plenty of others who understand how bureaucratic pressure works on private enterprises when they need gov't authorization to operate. The only reason you don't is because you're too fukking stupid and lazy to know where to look.

          I've got a Phd economist from Stanford backing me.
          What do you have? Not shit.
          Other than a mouse in your pocket and a bunch of self-absorbed whiny-ass pussy liberal pals "in the academic world" who don't know the first goddam thing about how life works for anyone other than themselves.

          In the words of Shannon Sharpe, "You can't even spell Dow Jones."
          Where to start with such an unadulterated fresh piece of feces from Madcap? I won't comment on all of it because its clear you are in a league of your own.

          You have an economist from Stanford backing you? You write two sentences later that you view those in the academic world as
          a bunch of self-absorbed whiny-ass pussy liberal pals
          . To be consistent you should have just said I have Shrute/Andywend/bigdaddy backing me. I know I can
          guarandamntee
          they haven't stepped foot in any liberal institution of higher education.

          According to you I don't have "not shit".
          What do you have? Not shit.
          Which to any rational observer implies that I would have something better than shit to offer. You really should have wrote "just shit".

          Your typical conservative thinking assumes you know everything and anything any purported "liberal" knows. Enough to know they couldn't add anything to enlighten your perspective.

          A study comes out during the Clinton Administration showing that blacks are denied loans at a significantly higher rate than whites. It did not matter that whites were denied loans at a significantly higher rate than Asian-Americans, or that the denials of these loans were based on one's credit ratings and pay stubs. No, all that mattered was that liberal academics felt like black people were being unfairly punished for being black, and therefore, their actual ability to pay a loan be damned, they should get one, so they can buy a house and more democrats can get elected to congress.
          So a big factor, according to you, in the financial crisis is that "the blacks" (Trumps friends) got houses that shouldn't have. And the only reason they did was because of their liberal academic advocates.

          The United States has a wall street government. This is no different with Obama in power. I'd be more likely to put some blame on people like Ben Bernanke, Larry Summers, Timothy Geithner, Mary Shapiro, Gary Gensler, George W Bush and William Dudley before I would the poor "blacks"....oh - and Reagan too.

          Don't forget, after 9/11 Bush told everyone to spend and buy a house!

          To drive a stake through your argument I offer this nice little George W. Bush video. If you don't respond to anything else I write, respond to this video.





          Madcap :
          all that mattered was that liberal academics felt like black people were being unfairly punished for being black, and therefore, their actual ability to pay a loan be damned, they should get one, so they can buy a house and more democrats can get elected to congress.
          I can
          guarandamntee
          you George W. Bush is the furthest thing from a liberal academic that you can find. Yet he sounds strangely like the "liberal academics" you vilify in your rant. And no...you can't get out of this problem by just saying "i never liked Bush in the first place", or "you are a _________ liberal".
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          • Tsonga
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            • 10-12-09
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            #110
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            • Tsonga
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              #111
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              • DwightShrute
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                • 01-17-09
                • 103399

                #112
                Originally posted by puntx
                what's with all this fuss around canadians
                A lot Canadians pretend to hate the USA and refuse to accept the fact that our neighbor is the best one to have. They are in denial. We have access to the greatest market on Earth and we save hundreds of billions on the military because who is gonna fukk with us with the USA right below? So while many Canucks will diss the US when talking about politics they secretly are thankful they are there.
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                • Tsonga
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                  • 10-12-09
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                  #113
                  I don't hate the US. I hate that Shrute keeps pretending to be Canadian. You have said many times you don't live here anymore.

                  I wouldn't mind living beside Switzerland.

                  I'm not thanking the US for having military bases all over the world. That just makes them the biggest target unfortunately. If they were known more for peace than for power projection I would feel happier about being neighbors.
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                  • DwightShrute
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                    • 01-17-09
                    • 103399

                    #114
                    Originally posted by Tsonga
                    I don't hate the US. I hate that Shrute keeps pretending to be Canadian. You have said many times you don't live here anymore. I wouldn't mind living beside Switzerland.
                    so what? Ya right now I don't but I own a home in BC and in Washington State. Ya I have a Canadian passport. Why do you care so much? Typical liberal deflection tactic irrelevant to the conversation. Boring as hell.

                    You should move next to Switzerland.. If only for the experience. I have lived in 6 countries already and there's nothing like actually going somewhere and experiencing it first hand.

                    I'm not thanking the US for having military bases all over the world. That just makes them the biggest target unfortunately. If they were known more for peace than for power projection I would feel happier about being neighbors
                    personally that's so naive to me. Ya the world is filled with all these loving people that just want to live in peace. Ask all the millions of people in Africa that are slaughtered each decade. Of course some will blame the US for that also. Of even worse, blame them for not doing anything. Ya and lets not even mentions WWI and WWII and what great guy your buddy Hitler was ... right? Geez. America is for peace. You attempt to spin it into something else. Peace and freedom need to be defended and you bleeding heart liberals are so narrow minded and short sighted is laughable sometimes.

                    eh
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                    • hels
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                      • 04-12-09
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                      #115
                      Originally posted by Tsonga
                      I don't hate the US. I hate that Shrute keeps pretending to be Canadian. You have said many times you don't live here anymore.

                      I wouldn't mind living beside Switzerland.

                      I'm not thanking the US for having military bases all over the world. That just makes them the biggest target unfortunately. If they were known more for peace than for power projection I would feel happier about being neighbors.
                      You're right, they are the biggest target in the world and that is because they became the most powerful. They are now slowly losing their world power and that sucks for us Canadians. Thinking military logic, Canada would not stand a chance against any first world nation. However, our most important ally is the Commonwealth. Second of importance is the US.

                      I am baffled by your Switzerland comment. I'm not sure if you know world geography but some of Switzerland's neighbours include: France, Italy, Germany and Austria. Living in and beside are two different things. Switzerland's topography is it's best defense. The harsh mountainous regions made the historical method of 'invasion' extremely difficult and had little reward. Lack of and difficulty of extracting natural resources, no ports and difficulty with mobility has never made it a big target. However, the areas surrounding Switzerland are much more advantageous in multiple respects.
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                      • shari91
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                        • 02-23-10
                        • 32661

                        #116
                        Originally posted by High3rEl3m3nt
                        I think it's great that we are hearing first hand from Canadians on a variety of issues. Us, Americans really should know more about our Northern friends.
                        And I think it's awesome that you even started this thread in the first place... and aside from a few insults thrown between posters, it's actually been quite enlightening. Thank you

                        Originally posted by Tsonga
                        I don't hate the US. I hate that Shrute keeps pretending to be Canadian. You have said many times you don't live here anymore.

                        I wouldn't mind living beside Switzerland.
                        Tsonga, I haven't lived in Canada for almost 12 years. I spent over 2/3 of my life there, present my Canadian passport when asked for ID, still vote, still own property there, still contribute to CPP. Just because we leave for whatever reason, we don't forget who we are. Dwight's opinion is no less relevant based on a mailing address.

                        As for Switzerland, I've also lived there and agree with Hels' assessment. Every Swiss house by law either has to have a nuclear bunker or access to one ie you pay a fee to a community bunker. And they have these tunnel systems that are unreal. The Swiss don't need help from anyone whatsoever - or at least they believe they don't so either way, I'd rather be there than in Italy for example.
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                        • shari91
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                          • 02-23-10
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                          #117
                          Oh and just to stick with the original question of the thread: What do Canadians think of Obama? I'll leave that to those living in Canada. But for this one living in Australia, I think he's turned out like every other politician that some hoped would initiate major change... it hasn't happened quite the way those of us who voted for us were lead to believe but I'm not sure many even get disappointed any more. It's almost like you expect it. Just like those apparently Commonwealth-hating Americans almost melted down Twitter when Prince William and Kate got married this year, people around the world will line up on the street (other than in obvious anti US countries) to see a rock star whether or not they believe in the fundamentals that person represents. That's what he is. He just happens to have the job title of a politician.
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                          • hels
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                            #118
                            Originally posted by shari91
                            Oh and just to stick with the original question of the thread: What do Canadians think of Obama? I'll leave that to those living in Canada. But for this one living in Australia, I think he's turned out like every other politician that some hoped would initiate major change... it hasn't happened quite the way those of us who voted for us were lead to believe but I'm not sure many even get disappointed any more. It's almost like you expect it. Just like those apparently Commonwealth-hating Americans almost melted down Twitter when Prince William and Kate got married this year, people around the world will line up on the street (other than in obvious anti US countries) to see a rock star whether or not they believe in the fundamentals that person represents. That's what he is. He just happens to have the job title of a politician.
                            I don't follow politics all that much in Canada and probably know more about US than I do Canadian. This is simply the fact that over the internet it's easy to find and hear about what's happening in the U.S. and for Canada you have to search harder for it.

                            I live on the border with the States and I know things are going downhill. I was a sucker and actually believed Obama would bring change and everything would begin to improve for the better. That doesn't seem to be what's happening. I've come to realize that the heads of nations are merely puppets and rubber stamps. They can't come in and rule with an iron fist. So did Obama fail? I don't know, it's just he didn't have a chance to succeed.
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                            • Tsonga
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                              #119
                              Originally posted by hels
                              You're right, they are the biggest target in the world and that is because they became the most powerful. They are now slowly losing their world power and that sucks for us Canadians. Thinking military logic, Canada would not stand a chance against any first world nation. However, our most important ally is the Commonwealth. Second of importance is the US.

                              I am baffled by your Switzerland comment. I'm not sure if you know world geography but some of Switzerland's neighbours include: France, Italy, Germany and Austria. Living in and beside are two different things. Switzerland's topography is it's best defense. The harsh mountainous regions made the historical method of 'invasion' extremely difficult and had little reward. Lack of and difficulty of extracting natural resources, no ports and difficulty with mobility has never made it a big target. However, the areas surrounding Switzerland are much more advantageous in multiple respects.
                              My reference to Switzerland was just to say that I wouldn't mind living beside a country that stayed neutral in the majority of world issues. My point was that it seems like a safer place to be than next to the country in question.

                              I know only that Switzerland seems like a nice place....pretty interesting to hear that they have to have nuclear bunkers in the houses...wow. I have never heard of anything like that in my life.
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                              • betplom
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                                • 09-20-06
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                                #120
                                Originally posted by DwightShrute
                                A lot Canadians pretend to hate .
                                Alot of Canadians pretend to hate the Vancouver Canucks, not me, I dislike them.

                                Game 7 of last years final vs the B's was my christmas present.
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                                • sickler
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                                  #121
                                  Originally posted by DwightShrute
                                  A lot Canadians pretend to hate the USA and refuse to accept the fact that our neighbor is the best one to have. They are in denial. We have access to the greatest market on Earth and we save hundreds of billions on the military because who is gonna fukk with us with the USA right below? So while many Canucks will diss the US when talking about politics they secretly are thankful they are there.
                                  That's it. Universal health care in part because we don't have have a massive defence budget. Successive Liberal governments depleted the military. Why? Because they could with the US sharing the same continent. The US won't attack us and won't let anyone else attack us. Sure Canada is a peaceful place that doesn't cause trouble around the world but that isn't reason enough to be relaxed. Look what happened to Kuwait. Iraq went after their oil. The Russians wouldn't mind grabbing our Arctic land.
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                                  • shari91
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                                    #122
                                    Originally posted by Tsonga

                                    My reference to Switzerland was just to say that I wouldn't mind living beside a country that stayed neutral in the majority of world issues. My point was that it seems like a safer place to be than next to the country in question.

                                    I know only that Switzerland seems like a nice place....pretty interesting to hear that they have to have nuclear bunkers in the houses...wow. I have never heard of anything like that in my life.
                                    The bunker thing is something that I think originated during the '60s when there was always a threat of a Cold War. And since it worked, there is no reason to change it. Same as the teaching in school that the reason Hitler didn't attack Switzerland was because of its mountains... no it was because he was stashing a shitload of cash in their banks. (Should note this was being taught when I lived there in '04/05... can't say now). And it's the same reason that while Switzerland can proclaim to be neutral in so many issues, the fact is they harbour cash from criminals that feeds their economy. So what do you do? You say you want no part of it, protect yourself as best you can and hope everyone leaves you the f alone - which they will because they need your banks much more than they ever need your land.
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                                    • DwightShrute
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                                      #123
                                      Originally posted by betplom
                                      Alot of Canadians pretend to hate the Vancouver Canucks, not me, I dislike them.

                                      Game 7 of last years final vs the B's was my christmas present.
                                      Maybe the Leaves will make the playoff this year? That arena is so empty when April comes around year after year after year.

                                      it's a lot not alot btw.
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                                      • hels
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                                        #124
                                        Originally posted by shari91
                                        The bunker thing is something that I think originated during the '60s when there was always a threat of a Cold War. And since it worked, there is no reason to change it. Same as the teaching in school that the reason Hitler didn't attack Switzerland was because of its mountains... no it was because he was stashing a shitload of cash in their banks. (Should note this was being taught when I lived there in '04/05... can't say now). And it's the same reason that while Switzerland can proclaim to be neutral in so many issues, the fact is they harbour cash from criminals that feeds their economy. So what do you do? You say you want no part of it, protect yourself as best you can and hope everyone leaves you the f alone - which they will because they need your banks much more than they ever need your land.
                                        That's a really good point. Many 'important' people all over the world have money locked up in Switzerland. If Switzerland were to be occupied the banks would end up collapsing (numerous reasons why). Even US Senators/Congressman have funds in Swiss banks. Better leave them alone.

                                        Did you hear that Iceland is considering using Canadian currency? They have said that it currently is the most stable of the American/European nations right now. Canada hasn't said anything though: http://www.cbc.ca/thecurrent/episode...adas-currency/

                                        I'm surprised that inflation in the US has actually decreased from average over the past couple years. But with recent median income decrease (data only available up to 2009) it makes sense that inflation is slowing
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                                        • hels
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                                          #125
                                          Originally posted by DwightShrute
                                          Maybe the Leaves will make the playoff this year? That arena is so empty when April comes around year after year after year.

                                          it's a lot not alot btw.
                                          Yet somehow the Leafs (it's Leafs not Leaves btw) keep making more money every year. It pisses me off how loyal I am and others are towards to the team. They continuously suck yet I still believe. Anyways, I'm getting off topic from what Canada thinks of US/Obama.
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                                          • The Madcap
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                                            • 07-03-10
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                                            #126
                                            I really don't understand how the Leafs are so terrible either.

                                            I mean, I understood it when Maurice was there. He's a terrible coach. (Trust me, I know, I'm a Canes fan.) Anyway, point is, I have never understood how you guys aren't near the top of the heap year in and year out. You're like the Yankees, but only if the Yankees sucked.

                                            I remember the days of Dougie Gilmore and Wendel Clark, Dave Andreychuk, Nikolai Borschevsky, and all those guys. What happened? Think you even had Mike Gartner and Glenn Anderson's corpse on that team.

                                            It's like you got Sundin and figured he could do it all by himself. I mean I love Owen Nolan and Gary Roberts, but can't you guys do better than washed up vets like that? You're the damn MAPLE LEAFS!!

                                            I always liked the Leafs. y'all have some of the coolest uni's in the league. And it's fukking Toronto of all places, how are you not awesome? At least the Canadiens suck too. God I wish we'd never let Cole go up there. We'd be in the damn playoff race if we had him.

                                            Anyway, sorry about 2001. But you wouldn't have beaten the Red Wings either.
                                            No more of that talk, or I'll put the leeches on you.
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                                            • Balco10
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                                              #127
                                              Canadians need to built a border wall, as Americans fled into their country.
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                                              • Balco10
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                                                #128
                                                Soon American will be unwelcome to enter Canada. Thank you sir dictator Obama!
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