Odds Request

[TLD]

Could someone please post the range of moneyline odds for the White Sox-Twins Sunday evening game and the White Sox-Twins Monday day game? Or direct me to where such line histories are available?

I’m especially interested in where the odds for the Sunday night game were shortly before it started, and where the odds for the Monday game were on the overnights. I had an issue come up with a sportsbook and could use that information. Thanks.

[Ganchrow]

Don't know where (if anywhere) this is publicly available but I just PM'd you some of my own data.

[SquareShooter]

They canceled the bet stating that their odds were out of the line?

[SquareShooter]

There was a thread recently where most people agreed that cancellations do more evil to bettors than slow-pays.

Who did this to you? Tell us please.

[TLD]

I placed a small wager on the White Sox about ten minutes prior to the Sunday night game at Matchbook at –155 counting the fee. As I recall, the game was in the 150s at most places, but Bodog had +160 on the Twins so I played a small scalp.

The Matchbook bet was not graded after the game (the White Sox won), and in fact the next morning they still hadn’t graded it. I called, and at first they said there was some kind of glitch and they couldn’t figure out why it hadn’t been graded. Then they said the bet was actually for Monday’s game, which was starting shortly.

I noted for them the time the bet was placed (which displays in the pending bets) and that this was before the Sunday night game started. I asked them if they sometimes have overlapping games, where there would have been two distinct White Sox-Twins games available for betting at the same time. (It was doubtful but not impossible that I had clicked on the wrong game if so. All I recall is that instead of clicking on “all games” or “all American League games” I had clicked on the White Sox-Twins game as a stand alone, since I knew it was the only game left and I didn’t have others to shop.) They said no, that they wait until the previous day’s games are completed before putting up overnights for the next day’s games.

They told me that given the time the bet was placed, it had to be on the Sunday game. (Incidentally, note the problem. Neither on the pending bets page nor on the settled bets page does Matchbook state the pitchers—even though all wagers are listed pitchers—or even the date of the event. Only the time the bet was placed is stated. Nor for that matter is it apparently in their records anywhere. She, like me, was trying to infer which White Sox-Twins game it was from the time the bet was placed.) She said they would correct it as soon as possible. I asked her if she was stating that this was a mere bookkeeping problem to get the win credited to my account, that the substantive matter of which game I bet on had now been decided in my favor, and she said yes.

The White Sox won the Monday game as well, making the matter moot. I noticed they didn’t finally grade the bet until after the Monday game, but I didn’t know for sure which game they thought they were grading until today when they sent me an explanatory e-mail.

In the e-mail they said that the bet was indeed on the Monday game, and that they had been mistaken in telling me they don’t put up overlapping lines for two different games. (Though misleadingly the e-mail claims they put up the Monday lines “during” the Sunday night event. My bet remember, by their own admission was placed prior to the Sunday night game.) They stated that, “On the plus side, the wagers did turn out to be winning wagers but even if they hadn’t, we would have had to stick to the rules in this case,” i.e., had the Twins won Monday, I would have lost my bet.

I believe before the Monday game that the moneyline odds were running in the 120s and/or 130s. My bet, as I noted, was at –155. It’s possible that either that was about where the overnight lines were and they then moved dramatically to the 120s and 130s the day of the game, or even that someone happened to offer horrible odds on the favorite hoping someone like me would accidentally bet it (though note it would also have to have been the best Matchbook offer at the time, given the way the page always displays the best available offer).

Anyway, the lessons to be drawn from this are:

For customers: Be extra careful when wagering to check the date of the event or the pitchers or something that will distinguish it from the same two teams playing another game another day.

For Matchbook: Especially if you’re going to have two different games with the same teams available for betting simultaneously, for heaven’s sake put some information on the “Pending Bets” page to distinguish them.

Also it would help to display the games less misleadingly (assuming they’re even correct that I bet the Monday game). There was only the White Sox-Twins game left to play on Sunday, I clicked (I think, though I can’t prove it) the top entry on the wagering menu, which was precisely White Sox-Twins. If doing that takes you to anything other than the Sunday night White Sox-Twins game, then something is seriously screwy.

[SquareShooter]

....I asked them if they sometimes have overlapping games, where there would have been two distinct White Sox-Twins games available.... they said no, that they wait until the previous games are completed ...

I wonder how do they handle double headers then....

[TLD]

I’m sure she had in mind (as I did) the next day’s games, so I didn’t take what she was saying to apply to doubleheaders.

But anyway, they claimed later she was mistaken in saying that was their practice.

I haven’t happened to notice myself if they generally put the next day’s games up before the previous night’s games have even started. I’m just relaying what they told me.