"due" machines

[sideloaded]

Is there any truth to slot machines being "due"

[DrStale]

Nope.

[Sam Odom]

yes , if you apply a loose interpretation to "Due"

tracking slots is profitable

[Grits n' Gravy]

They are all due at some point.

[TR88]

everything its due man,everything

[Ernie Mccracken]

Gambler's fallacy 101. No.

[PAULYPOKER]

the only truth about slot machines is they are nothing but a lottery where only tremendous luck will prevail, if you don't go broke 1st that is.........

[antifoil]

yeah i supplement my income on due slots. easy money.

[jjgold]

I think slots more than sports

[SportsMushroom]

Gambler's fallacy 101. No.

this is not sports, its a machine that is programmed with algorithms to give payouts at a specific rate and amount


obviously as people keep putting money into the slot machine at some point it will give out a big payday


but you dont know how long that will take, if you have the time to hang out at the casino every day you might figure it out

would help if you could talk to an engineer that works/worked for a company that makes slot machines, or a slot machine manager

they can probably give you insight on what data they usually input into the slot software, the casinos have control over how often and how much the machines pay out, and you can then keep track of the money that goes into the machines so you can estimate when they are close to a big payout


having said that, nowadays most casino slot machines are connected to each other, and usually give jackpots based on a collective algorithm, which means that you would probably have to keep track of the total money that enter all the slots in the casino, which is impossible, only thing you can do is walk around and estimate the amounts based on number of people and time spent


if you are a computer expert, you could probably try to find an access point to the casinos monitoring software, casinos monitor how much money goes in and out of slots, which is fairly easy with slots nowadays being networked, if you can access that information then it would be easy to figure out when the next big payday is, maybe you can befriend a slots manager, and make a deal with him to let you know when the machines are due, then you can try to win and split the profits

[Ernie Mccracken]

this is not sports, its a machine that is programmed with algorithms to give payouts at a specific rate and amount

Unless you believe the payouts are pre-determined, the rule still applies. If the machine fails to pay out for 10 million straight pulls, the chance of hitting a jackpot on the next pull are exactly the same as the first.

[Grits n' Gravy]

go to a hardware store and buy a 99 cent little reset key that all slot machines have. they are used to reset jackpots and access meters. if you can do it without getting caught you can see the accounting meters for the machine. it will show you lifetime numbers on machine which include coin in/out, handpays, theo hold %, actual hold % and a ton of other info. find a machine that has been on the floor for a long time and if its actual hold is way higher than its set theo hold pump some money in it and hope for the best.

now if you get caught you will certainly be trespassed from casino and possibly cited by gaming control. a handful of people do this at local video poker bars where the bartenders are too ocuupied serving drinks to notice.

[Chimneyfish]

its a machine that is programmed with algorithms to give payouts at a specific rate and amount

No they're not. They're programmed with random number generators. A machine may give out a predictable rate of return over the long-run due to the nature of the game, but each spin is completely random and is not at all influenced by the result of previous spins.

[William Walters]

SportsMushroom provides such long, informative responses. It would be really neato if these responses had more factual information.

[Sam Odom]

So many ill-informed people gambling with their $$$ - no wonder they lose

Slots can be set to payout more or less %... From 70% to 99% can be found - Therefore payouts are NOT controlled by a "random number generator"

[BettingWizard]

I would say you are more likely to hit a jackpot when it is very large, rather than when it is close to the minimum. Other than that, good luck.

[Chimneyfish]

So many ill-informed people gambling with their $$$ - no wonder they lose

Slots can be set to payout more or less %... From 70% to 99% can be found - Therefore payouts are NOT controlled by a "random number generator"

That's accomplished through altering the parameters of the game- not through influencing the spin results in order to meet some type of quota.

Think of it like this: I could offer you a game where I paid you various winnings for rolling specific numbers on two dice. The game would be "set" to a predicable win rate over the long-run. I could alter the game through things like adding more dice or changing the payout table and the game would still have a specific win probability, but the roll would still be completely random. What you roll each time isn't at all dependent on what you rolled any other time, just like how the results of a slot machine spin aren't influenced by previous spins.

[FuzzyDunlop]

Shitty as slots are, bonus spins on Wheel of Fortune slots are the .

[Sam Odom]

That's accomplished through altering the parameters of the game- not through influencing the spin results in order to meet some type of quota.

Using your dice analogy:

With a pair of 'true' dice ... Passline odds -1.41 for the shooter (law of large numbers) because true dice are random

now...

How would you change the -1.41 to say -2.0 WITHOUT altering the randomness of true dice?

[Chimneyfish]

How would you change the -1.41 to say -2.0 WITHOUT altering the randomness of true dice?

I don't know, how? I'm not seeing how that disproves that slot machine results are based entirely on RNGs. Regardless of what the odds are when you spin the machine, those odds are the same every time you push the button and do not change based on previous results.

[byronbb]

If a block of machines has a progressive jackpot that hasn't been won in a long time then yes. Figuring out when this is will be the hard part and then actually getting a seat even harder since groups of sharps will have noticed this too.

[Grits n' Gravy]

I would say you are more likely to hit a jackpot when it is very large, rather than when it is close to the minimum. Other than that, good luck.

You'd be surprised how many progressive jackpots aren't paid out with winning symbols because player wasn't playing max credits. I've seen it happen on $5 wheel of fortune, 25 cent wheel of fortune, tons of times on Blazing 7's, video poker etc.... That is one of the reasons some waps get to be so high.

[FuzzyDunlop]

There are sites dedicated to slots where they have +EV amounts for progressives, if I remember correctly $1 Wheel of Fortune (2 credit max) was somewhere in the $2.8M area. When I was there a couple weeks ago, it was only $1.3-$1.5. Curious what it's at now.

[Grits n' Gravy]

There are sites dedicated to slots where they have +EV amounts for progressives, if I remember correctly $1 Wheel of Fortune (2 credit max) was somewhere in the $2.8M area. When I was there a couple weeks ago, it was only $1.3-$1.5. Curious what it's at now.

Will get you the info.

[neverstoppers23]

Unless you believe the payouts are pre-determined, the rule still applies. If the machine fails to pay out for 10 million straight pulls, the chance of hitting a jackpot on the next pull are exactly the same as the first.

exactly

[oiler]

the only thing due are taxes

[gauchojake]

The SBR casino is due...BRB

[sjm5122]

I am an engineer for a slot company. There is no such thing as due, except for certain progressive machines which have strike prices. That is, a certain threshold where the progressive jackpot either has to hit, or has an increased chance of hitting. If you can spot these machines they can be +EV, but it is rare. It is also difficult to do this because you do not know what percentage the machine is set to pay out at. Most payout percentages range from 85-96%. Usually falling somewhere in the middle there. Most everything else is just random number generators. For instance, we sometimes send out a new machine and a jackpot hits twice in the first week, and the casino will call us freaking out. Other times it may not hit for months or years. Its all random, there is no such thing as due.

[Chimneyfish]

I am a engineer for a slot company...Its all random, there is no such thing as due.

[Sam Odom]

I think some of us just have a different understanding or definition for "random number generator"

[sideloaded]

random number generators aren't exactly random

[Sam Odom]

random number generators aren't exactly random

In other words not 'true' randomness - Example: If you replace the 1 on one die to 6 then a pair could never roll snake-eyes

Then the Casino could pay 10000000000:1 for snake-eyes

[bswagos]

I think some of us just have a different understanding or definition for "random number generator"

I don't think you have an understanding of how a machine works. Lets take video poker for example. It is just a poker game played with one player on a 52 card deck. The RNG is responsible for shuffling the cards. When you press a button it deals them based on the shuffle. The odds of making a Royal Flush are the same as if you picked up deck and dealt them yourself. They never change. The 70%-99% numbers you referred to are not the odds of getting a particular hand, they are the payback of the machine. To determine the payback they change what each hand pays. If you make a particular hand, say a full house, pay more or less you change what the machine pays back, but not the overall odds of hitting a full house.

[Sam Odom]

I never was speaking about poker machines , I should have said so

I'm fully aware of the 9/6 vs 8/5 machines and so on

[Sam Odom]

here's a question

Do video roulette machines have the same odds as a human spun wheel ?