Is Kobe even top 10 all time?

Djstucky · 01-14-12, 12:05 AM

Of course he's top 10...however he doesn't have the all around game amongst other things to compete with Jordan...

zsr · 01-14-12, 12:09 AM

Originally posted by Djstucky

Of course he's top 10...however he doesn't have the all around game amongst other things to compete with Jordan...

I was just looking at a few lists and some had him as low as 15, its all personal opinion. For some reason people ignore that he was the 2nd best player on his team for 3 championships..

I would put him low top 10, not top 5 though. Of course he's not even close to what Jordan was, people who didn't see Jordan play need to go back and watch the old replays.

raidersfan · 01-14-12, 12:22 AM

Jordan the best ever!

rdkjglsk · 01-14-12, 12:23 AM

kobe is easily top 10

dlunc3 · 01-14-12, 12:26 AM

magic, russell, kareem, shaq, jordan, wilt, bird, big O, and yes ill say it lebron (when said and done), all better... so that puts him at #10

BernardMadoff · 01-14-12, 12:27 AM

Same argument Ive had on boxing boards, if youre not old enough to have seen all the other greats your opinion means nothing. People put people in rankings having never even seen them play one second, only going off of what other people have said and stats.

zsr · 01-14-12, 12:29 AM

dlunc hopefully that list is not what you actually rank them as right?

Lebron can get to top 10 but because he's on a team with a top 5 current player and a top 15 guy he's going to have to win at least 5..

SBRMAN23 · 01-14-12, 12:33 AM

If kobe isn't top ten because he was the second best player for 3rings has to be the dumbest reasoning ever. Were taking about the lifetime of his work, and no player in the top 50 NBA players who have rings also had great players aka the 80s lakers and celtics do come on let's be serious he easily top ten ever.

Masu485 · 01-14-12, 12:35 AM

Kobe is a legend.

zsr · 01-14-12, 12:36 AM

Originally posted by SBRMAN23

If kobe isn't top ten because he was the second best player for 3rings has to be the dumbest reasoning ever. Were taking about the lifetime of his work, and no player in the top 50 NBA players who have rings also had great players aka the 80s lakers and celtics do come on let's be serious he easily top ten ever.

I do think he's top 10. I was just referring to people wanting to put him up in the top 5 and top 2 and even with Jordan. It's just not close. He's not top 5 though..

dlunc3 · 01-14-12, 12:37 AM

Originally posted by zsr

dlunc hopefully that list is not what you actually rank them as right?

Lebron can get to top 10 but because he's on a team with a top 5 current player and a top 15 guy he's going to have to win at least 5..

haha na def not ranked in that order.. but kobe has spent his whole career with a top 5 player or a top 15 guy too right? ... not as bad as lebron, but with no shaq and pau, he is still sitting at 0 rings this deep in his career..

zsr · 01-14-12, 12:37 AM

Originally posted by Masu485

Kobe is a legend.

Yes he is. He's definitely the best of the last 10 years or so. I'm a Kobe fan, i just think people exaggerate his all time great status because they haven't watched or seen games of the other greats.

zsr · 01-14-12, 12:41 AM

I agree dlunc, that's my point basically. Kobe won 3 as the second best player on his own team so i guess for comparison sake we can't hold it against Lebron if wade leads him to multiple championships either. Let's let Lebron get 2 at least though before we throw him in top 15 range.

dlunc3 · 01-14-12, 12:42 AM

no you are right, lebron is definitely not up there yet.. just a projection... id have kobe at #9 as of right now

d2bets · 01-14-12, 12:45 AM

Originally posted by dlunc3

magic, russell, kareem, shaq, jordan, wilt, bird, big O, and yes ill say it lebron (when said and done), all better... so that puts him at #10

Shaq counts twice?

I've never been a huge Kobe fan, but he's top 10, yes. Ton 5? No.

zsr · 01-14-12, 12:45 AM

Yea i think your right, i was thinking 9,10 range too.

ttwarrior1 · 01-14-12, 12:46 AM

easily top ten, your on crack, he had no college so of course he is gonna be up there in scoring over others.

I have kobe at like 16

Tree Rollins · 01-14-12, 12:49 AM

5th or 6th best of all time. Something around there.

jjgold · 01-14-12, 12:50 AM

Kobe is better than Bird

Not even in the same league

Kobe is best player is NBA this year at 33 years old

d2bets · 01-14-12, 12:54 AM

Originally posted by jjgold

Kobe is better than Bird

Not even in the same league

Kobe is best player is NBA this year at 33 years old

Yeah, as long as you figure that Derrick Rose is not a dominant player.

jjgold · 01-14-12, 12:56 AM

Kobe 3rd straight 40 + point night

UpInsmoke33 · 01-14-12, 12:57 AM

Yes.

tokio · 01-14-12, 12:57 AM

Age starting to become a factor. Love his grind and his passion. Easily top 10.

Bengals28 · 01-14-12, 01:07 AM

Kobe da best

face · 01-14-12, 01:08 AM

top 5 is tough cause you got chamberlain, abduljabar, magic johnson, and jordan for sure

rsnnh12 · 01-14-12, 01:10 AM

Jordan
Magic
Bird
Kareem
Oscar
Wilt
Russell
Shaq

All definitely higher than Kobe. He's right behind them tho, with potential to move up

HendoNation · 01-14-12, 01:13 AM

history is overrated

dlunc3 · 01-14-12, 01:13 AM

Originally posted by jjgold

Kobe 3rd straight 40 + point night

3rd straight with 30+ shot attempts... hes definitely great, but many players could score 40 with 30+ attempts

305GURU · 01-14-12, 01:19 AM

What is he right NoW??? Top 3 BEST PLAYER in the world, plenty of rings and trophys...TOP TEN...without a doubt, maybe even top 5,6 imo

BigDofBA · 01-14-12, 01:21 AM

Is this thread serious?

I don't like Kobe but lets be real, he is easily a top 10 player of all-time and probably top 5.

I love how everyone named off a bunch of big men. Kobe scored 80 points in a modern day basketball game and he wasn't just sitting under the goal laying it in all game.

If the game was on the line and you needed someone to take a gaming winning shot, you wouldn't call on Shaq. You would call on Kobe. A lot of these big men couldn't create their own shot and would just get fouled and miss free throws.

Imo, Kobe is top 5 and I hate the guy. He is better than Magic and Bird in my opinion. He probably doesn't get the recognition he deserves.

Tree Rollins · 01-14-12, 01:24 AM

Originally posted by rsnnh12

Jordan Magic Bird Kareem Oscar Wilt Russell Shaq All definitely higher than Kobe. He's right behind them tho, with potential to move up

Bird never won a title without at least 3 other hall of famers on his team, and even had 4 other hall of famers for 1 title.Shaq never won a title without the the 2nd best player in the league on his team. Jordan never won a title without the best wing defender of all-time on his team, or without one of the top 5 players in the league on his team. Kareem never won a title without a top-10 player of all time on his team.
If people are going to use the 'Shaq' argument against Kobe, then use it against everyone else.

HendoNation · 01-14-12, 01:25 AM

Originally posted by dlunc3

3rd straight with 30+ shot attempts... hes definitely great, but many players could score 40 with 30+ attempts

Please dude...don't be ignorant. Very few players can shoot at a 50% rate consistently throwing up that many shots.

BigDofBA · 01-14-12, 01:26 AM

I would like to see Bird, Magic, ect. score 80 and win 5 rings in today's game.

Hate Kobe but you have to give him his props.

BigDofBA · 01-14-12, 01:30 AM

Also, anyone that puts Shaq ahead of Kobe needs to get their head examined.

I love Shaq but lets be real, there was a reason he WASN'T in the game in the final seconds or minute. He wasn't the goto guy. Kobe was. You couldn't count on Shaq because he couldn't make free throws or create a shot.

Kobe has more rings, mvps, ect. and you people are really going to put a guy ahead of him that wouldn't even touch the ball on the final possession for a game winning shot? LMAO.

It's one thing to dislike Kobe. It's another just to be ridiculous about his achievements.