Within 5 years, most CASINOS will be using ELECTRONIC CHIPS

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  • Fishhead
    SBR Aristocracy
    • 08-11-05
    • 40179

    #1
    Within 5 years, most CASINOS will be using ELECTRONIC CHIPS
    To track players

    Not good

    Already in place at the HARD ROCK
  • Louisvillekid1
    SBR Aristocracy
    • 10-17-07
    • 52143

    #2
    too traCK PLAYERS? doesn't a player's card already do that?

    do you ever post any fukking thing worth reading?

    back to eog, or a joker poker machine...
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    • Fishhead
      SBR Aristocracy
      • 08-11-05
      • 40179

      #3
      [quote=Louisvillekid1;13127055]too traCK PLAYERS? doesn't a player's card already do that?

      do you ever post any fukking thing worth reading?

      back to eog, or a joker poker machine...[/quot


      NO!

      With electronic chips, the bosses will KNOW EXACTLY how a player is doing and where the chips are.....................for one thing, no more chip dumping.

      Before you spout off and make an ass of yourself, know wtf your talking about.

      Do you think the HR just did this for the "helluva it"?????

      As stated, within 5 years or so, MOST ALL CASINOS will be using this technology..............you can bump this thread then.
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      • Sportsbetting123
        SBR MVP
        • 03-01-08
        • 1400

        #4
        I love a good fight
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        • mathdotcom
          SBR Posting Legend
          • 03-24-08
          • 11689

          #5
          Originally posted by Louisvillekid1
          too traCK PLAYERS? doesn't a player's card already do that?

          do you ever post any fukking thing worth reading?

          back to eog, or a joker poker machine...
          Dumbest post ever.
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          • Louisvillekid1
            SBR Aristocracy
            • 10-17-07
            • 52143

            #6
            fukkk you bitchdotcom, im not in the mood
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            • Fishhead
              SBR Aristocracy
              • 08-11-05
              • 40179

              #7
              CASINO TIMES






              Gamblers at Rivers and The Meadows are getting introduced to a new generation of casino chips.
              Last week, Rivers introduced Western Pennsylvania's first "Rapid Roulette" table, which has a live dealer and wheel but uses electronic chips. Rivers also is installing a blackjack pit with i-Tables, which will feature live dealers and cards but use electronic chips.
              The Meadows, the only casino in the state using chips with embedded radio frequency identification (RFID) tags, has installed equipment that allows electronic tracking of bets on table games.
              The Rapid Roulette table and i-Table blackjack do away with physical chips. Players trade their cash for credits that are displayed on a screen at their seat. They place their bets by touching the screen.
              "The main advantage is convenience," said Corey Plummer, Rivers' vice president of gaming, said of the Rapid Roulette table. He said using electronic chips is faster, easier and more accurate than placing real chips on the layout -- especially for players who make as many as 30 bets per spin.
              Electronic chips all but eliminate mistakes by dealers and players, he said.
              "Sometimes, (roulette) players place chips where they wish they hadn't," he said. At a table where several players are rushing to place bets, correcting yourself might be difficult
              "And when you win, it's straightforward," Plummer said. "It clearly identifies which (part) of your pattern paid off. And it all happens in an instant."
              Rapid Roulette players can use 50-cent chips, while those at a traditional game can't go lower than $1. Like traditional roulette, Rapid Roulette is a double-zero game, giving the house a 5.26 percent edge.
              Electronic payouts and betting also speed up the game. Shuffle Master Inc., maker of Rapid Roulette, advertises that it allows for 50 to 60 spins per hour; at a regular table with six players, casino managers are happy with 35 games per hour.
              Plummer doesn't foresee electronic chips eliminating the real thing.
              "There's still a lot of players that like shuffling their cheques around the table and having something tangible to walk away with," he said.
              The Meadows' RFID technology ensures that players are rated accurately for comps such as free meals and special promotions, said Sean Sullivan, vice president and general manager.
              Each Meadows chip contains an RFID tag that includes its value and a serial number. It's similar to the RFID tags used in retail packaging to track inventory and combat shoplifting.
              The Meadows recently began using equipment that reads table game bets much like slot bets are tracked on a player's card. At a blackjack table, a scanner underneath each betting circle measures the wager. Before each hand, the dealer pushes a button to record players' bets.
              Instead of estimating a player's average bet and number of hands played, floor supervisors can know exactly.
              "If we promise rewards to people for their (table game) play, like we do with slots, they want to know that we're getting their play accurately measured," Sullivan said.
              "For years and years, we've all heard 'you're under-rating me, you're not giving me enough.' They (now) have a comfort, like in slots, where it's actually measured to the penny."
              Casinos base comps, short for "complimentaries," on a formula involving a player's average bet, time played, the house advantage for the game and how well you play, Sullivan said. Floor supervisors, who keep track of several tables at once, are responsible not only for rating players but also for resolving disputes, watching for potential cheating and keeping the games running smoothly.
              While supervisors are skilled in assessing a player's action, manual ratings could lead to under-comping and over-comping, especially when tables are full, Sullivan said.
              "Sometimes other players see favoritism to a person that's getting more aggressive ratings or maybe seeing more comps," he said. "(With RFID), it's fair and consistent across the board. It's accurate. Nobody's underrated and no one's going to be overrated."
              RFID technology prevents counterfeiting of chips and makes it difficult to "cap" or "pinch" bets -- surreptitiously adding or subtracting chips after the hand is decided
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              • Fishhead
                SBR Aristocracy
                • 08-11-05
                • 40179

                #8
                Originally posted by Louisvillekid1
                fukkk you bitchdotcom, im not in the mood

                Then quit acting like a dumb asshole...............
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                • Fishhead
                  SBR Aristocracy
                  • 08-11-05
                  • 40179

                  #9
                  Each Meadows chip contains an RFID tag that includes its value and a serial number. It's similar to the RFID tags used in retail packaging to track inventory and combat shoplifting.
                  The Meadows recently began using equipment that reads table game bets much like slot bets are tracked on a player's card. At a blackjack table, a scanner underneath each betting circle measures the wager. Before each hand, the dealer pushes a button to record players' bets.
                  Instead of estimating a player's average bet and number of hands played, floor supervisors can know exactly.






                  NOT A GOOD THING FOR SOME, A VERY GOOD THING FOR OTHERS...........
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                  • Rio DiNero
                    SBR MVP
                    • 11-03-08
                    • 2010

                    #10
                    This technology has been used for over 5 years at HR and other casinos. Old news.
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                    • Fishhead
                      SBR Aristocracy
                      • 08-11-05
                      • 40179

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Rio DiNero
                      This technology has been used for over 5 years at HR and other casinos. Old news.


                      As stated, within 5 years most casinos will be using this............


                      RIGHT NOW...................only a very small minority do.
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                      • d2bets
                        BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                        • 08-10-05
                        • 39995

                        #12
                        Maybe some casinos won't do it and will gain a lot of customers by being old school. Guess I won't be able to pocket chips anymore to look like I'm doing worse than I am.
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                        • djefferis
                          SBR MVP
                          • 08-16-08
                          • 1205

                          #13
                          Well known that RFID is in use in all higher denomination chips and hass been for a while.

                          Question is, what gaming product makers have something with an edge over simpler RFID devices and can produce something USEFUL for the casinos complete with software. Find that out and invest in those companies and MAKE money off this trend, not just bitch about the inevitable.
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                          • djefferis
                            SBR MVP
                            • 08-16-08
                            • 1205

                            #14
                            Pro's: honest rating and a more even rating, less cheating and easier to track conterfeits.

                            Con: lack of "privacy"

                            Seems the pros win out for most
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                            • Coachep
                              SBR High Roller
                              • 09-28-08
                              • 129

                              #15
                              ...
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                              • Fishhead
                                SBR Aristocracy
                                • 08-11-05
                                • 40179

                                #16
                                Originally posted by Coachep;13128311[B
                                ]I used to hand off a grand or two to my friends or wife to cash so I could avoid taxes.[/b]


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                                • mathdotcom
                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                  • 03-24-08
                                  • 11689

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by djefferis
                                  Pro's: honest rating and a more even rating, less cheating and easier to track conterfeits.

                                  Con: lack of "privacy"

                                  Seems the pros win out for most

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                                  • Sam Odom
                                    SBR Aristocracy
                                    • 10-30-05
                                    • 58063

                                    #18
                                    I miss the days of playing Blackjack with real silver $1.00 coins
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                                    • mathdotcom
                                      SBR Posting Legend
                                      • 03-24-08
                                      • 11689

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by Coachep
                                      I used to hand off a grand or two to my friends or wife to cash so I could avoid taxes. I Guess that will be over too.
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                                      • Grits n' Gravy
                                        Restricted User
                                        • 06-10-10
                                        • 13024

                                        #20
                                        3 Vegas casinos aside from HR have been using RFID for a few years now. Players just aren't aware.
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                                        • Sam Odom
                                          SBR Aristocracy
                                          • 10-30-05
                                          • 58063

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by Grits n' Gravy

                                          3 Vegas casinos aside from HR have been using RFID for a few years now. Players just aren't aware.

                                          100.00 black checks and up
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                                          • Fishhead
                                            SBR Aristocracy
                                            • 08-11-05
                                            • 40179

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by mathdotcom


                                            This is quite a GAMING FORUM
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                                            • Herky
                                              SBR Wise Guy
                                              • 05-09-10
                                              • 748

                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by Louisvillekid1
                                              too traCK PLAYERS? doesn't a player's card already do that?

                                              do you ever post any fukking thing worth reading?

                                              back to eog, or a joker poker machine...
                                              what a jackass. is this post something worth reading?
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                                              • Iwinyourmoney
                                                SBR Posting Legend
                                                • 04-18-07
                                                • 18368

                                                #24
                                                The isle of capri in iow had these in place 5 years ago
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                                                • nikossf
                                                  SBR MVP
                                                  • 03-02-10
                                                  • 2217

                                                  #25
                                                  sounds to me like this would just be another way for the house to track a persons play style and adjust accordingly.
                                                  Everything is going electronic now days fellas.. Pretty soon we're gonna see 1 dealer in 1 casino somewhere being broadcasted to 15 other tables across other casinos.. ALL DIGITAL!
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                                                  • Sam Odom
                                                    SBR Aristocracy
                                                    • 10-30-05
                                                    • 58063

                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by nikossf

                                                    ALL DIGITAL!

                                                    Cant speak for up to date Las Vegas happenings but SoCal casinos are going all digital in every game possible. Their electronic Roulette isnt bad single zero w/La Partage
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                                                    • Gruntworker
                                                      SBR Wise Guy
                                                      • 02-12-11
                                                      • 777

                                                      #27
                                                      Man... that's horrible. For comps at least, this will make things more difficult. Whenever I ask what I've been rated at, the number is almost always higher then it should be. Doing this would make it less worthwhile to tip big in the mutual understanding that my rating would benefit.

                                                      Yeah, I have always heard that the higher denomination chips usually have this in place which makes sense for things like that motorcycle Bellagio craps robbery. But if they implement them in all their chips in all casinos for ratings and not just security, it would be a bummer.
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                                                      • Herky
                                                        SBR Wise Guy
                                                        • 05-09-10
                                                        • 748

                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by Sam Odom
                                                        Cant speak for up to date Las Vegas happenings but SoCal casinos are going all digital in every game possible. Their electronic Roulette isnt bad single zero w/La Partage
                                                        played at a semi digital Craps table - think it's at that irish joint near harrahs on strip. Watched a guy roll for like 82 roll of the dice. It kept track. We weren't even really betting like we normally would at a craps table - just trying it out kind of. Could've took them out bad on that kind of a run.
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                                                        • jjgold
                                                          SBR Aristocracy
                                                          • 07-20-05
                                                          • 388179

                                                          #29
                                                          not a good thing

                                                          Could lose lots of business if it happens
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                                                          • Reload
                                                            SBR Posting Legend
                                                            • 03-23-08
                                                            • 12250

                                                            #30
                                                            I heard Mohegan Sun has already used this. They've done it to help track average bets for comps and to catch BJ card counters jumping bets up late in the shoes.
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                                                            • Grits n' Gravy
                                                              Restricted User
                                                              • 06-10-10
                                                              • 13024

                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by Sam Odom
                                                              100.00 black checks and up
                                                              Yup.
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                                                              • Grits n' Gravy
                                                                Restricted User
                                                                • 06-10-10
                                                                • 13024

                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by jjgold

                                                                Could lose lots of business if it happens
                                                                Nope
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                                                                • Fishhead
                                                                  SBR Aristocracy
                                                                  • 08-11-05
                                                                  • 40179

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by Grits n' Gravy
                                                                  Nope

                                                                  yup
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