Las Vegas books, do they notice every bet in the $1000s?

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  • WSBetter
    SBR High Roller
    • 01-07-08
    • 105

    #1
    Las Vegas books, do they notice every bet in the $1000s?
    I plan on going to Vegas for some wagers since online sites are just a hassle at this point. The thing is I don't want to wager only a few hundred, if I make wagers under 10k but still in the thousands will they notice those bets or is that only at the small locations?

    I get different impressions as to what will raise suspicion of the books. I see stories of people like Billy Walters being able to play and at the same time I read about reviews where someone was practically interrogated and asked what hotel they were staying at when they tried to place a wager.

    So generally, about 2-4k a wager. How do I go about this without being hassled or eyed by management?

    Appreciate any help, thanks.
  • minet123
    SBR Posting Legend
    • 02-17-07
    • 10280

    #2
    Be prepared to fill out forms,show ID and show room key
    But NFL no problem
    NBA ATS depends on where you go
    NCAA BB forget it
    plus any total wager will also get you interrogated
    The corporate accountants now run the Vegas books
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    • Inkwell77
      SBR MVP
      • 02-03-11
      • 3227

      #3
      At any sportsbook if you bet more than $3,000 on a single bet or $3,000 over the course of a few bets during one trip you will get noticed and watched. If you bet more than $10,000 at any book over the course of 24 hours you will have to fill out a bunch of government paperwork. Some books will make you fill out paperwork for a lower amount (pretty sure the wynn is much less than $10,000)

      At station casinos any bet over $500 gets you noticed, unless NFL.
      At Cantor books you can get quite a bit down without anyone noticing. Do not sign up for an in game account unless you want to be noticed. Walk up to the counter and bet less than $3,000 and you should be fine. With college basketball totals $500 should be fine, but anything more than that and you may get noticed.
      Hilton will let you bet in most cases.
      Relatively easy to get decent money down, just have to walk around a bit to different books. Downtown there are about 8 sportsbooks within a pretty small vicinity (Gold Spike, Plaza, California, El Cortez, Golden Nugget, Freemont, Fitzgeralds, 4 Queens). If you are looking to bet cbb totals you can get $200-$300 down easily (I think) without getting noticed at these. There is $1,400-$2,100 down on whatever you are looking to bet, especially totals. Then can go to a Cantor book and can get $500-$1,000 down on any total you want without getting noticed. If you are betting sides you should be able to easily get $1,000 down at most books. Cantor will take those bets easily.
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      • JamesBrown
        SBR MVP
        • 04-07-08
        • 3860

        #4
        People over-exagerate the Vegas book experience. I've been betting in LV for years as I'm a local, and I regularly get down 1-3K bets. I even use a players card to rack up the points. I have a great relationship with the bet takers and there has never been a problem. If you bet a large amount, most likely the person at the counter will call for an approval. People need to stop worrying and start enjoying the experience. And you will never be asked for your ID, room key or any crazy crap like that. If you collect a large wager, then they may ask for your ID for documentation purposes. i've collected on a 6K ticket before with no problems. I've also got down a 6K wager on NFL with no problem. 1-2K on college basketball no problem.
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        • kmarinouofm
          SBR Hall of Famer
          • 01-26-09
          • 8437

          #5
          Originally posted by JamesBrown
          People over-exagerate the Vegas book experience. I've been betting in LV for years as I'm a local, and I regularly get down 1-3K bets. I even use a players card to rack up the points. I have a great relationship with the bet takers and there has never been a problem. If you bet a large amount, most likely the person at the counter will call for an approval. People need to stop worrying and start enjoying the experience. And you will never be asked for your ID, room key or any crazy crap like that. If you collect a large wager, then they may ask for your ID for documentation purposes. i've collected on a 6K ticket before with no problems. I've also got down a 6K wager on NFL with no problem. 1-2K on college basketball no problem.




          i always wonder what the hell people are talking about... this is also been my experience..
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          • Coolcanuck79
            SBR MVP
            • 12-07-11
            • 3189

            #6
            Exactly ... I've had no issues with larger wagers at all. I always deal with CET properties and use my card so my history is tracked and I get comped accordingly.
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            • kmarinouofm
              SBR Hall of Famer
              • 01-26-09
              • 8437

              #7
              Originally posted by JamesBrown
              People over-exagerate the Vegas book experience. I've been betting in LV for years as I'm a local, and I regularly get down 1-3K bets. I even use a players card to rack up the points. I have a great relationship with the bet takers and there has never been a problem. If you bet a large amount, most likely the person at the counter will call for an approval. People need to stop worrying and start enjoying the experience. And you will never be asked for your ID, room key or any crazy crap like that. If you collect a large wager, then they may ask for your ID for documentation purposes. i've collected on a 6K ticket before with no problems. I've also got down a 6K wager on NFL with no problem. 1-2K on college basketball no problem.
              Originally posted by Coolcanuck79
              Exactly ... I've had no issues with larger wagers at all. I always deal with CET properties and use my card so my history is tracked and I get comped accordingly.


              what are the CET properties? ceasars entertainment?

              are they one of the only few that gives comps for sports?

              i dont know many nevada sports books that do... I know the Atlantis in Reno does.. not sure about anyone else..

              also how are the comps.. what do you normally bet and what have you gotten..
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              • Br0nxer
                SBR Posting Legend
                • 03-25-11
                • 13665

                #8
                Originally posted by Coolcanuck79
                Exactly ... I've had no issues with larger wagers at all. I always deal with CET properties and use my card so my history is tracked and I get comped accordingly.
                Comped for sports wagers
                Never heard of that
                Most places dont even take the cards on sports wagers
                Other than a free drink card what exactly were you comped
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                • JamesBrown
                  SBR MVP
                  • 04-07-08
                  • 3860

                  #9
                  Originally posted by kmarinouofm
                  what are the CET properties? ceasars entertainment?

                  are they one of the only few that gives comps for sports?

                  i dont know many nevada sports books that do... I know the Atlantis in Reno does.. not sure about anyone else..

                  also how are the comps.. what do you normally bet and what have you gotten..
                  I use the Station Casino's. They have the best points rewards system in my opinion. They let you use your accumulated points to purchase anything at their casinos, including movies, food, rooms etc. You can also cash in your points for straight money if you want. They do a straight 1 for 1 for sportsbook. Slots and table games might be 3-1, because they make more from that outfit.
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                  • milwaukee mike
                    BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                    • 08-22-07
                    • 26914

                    #10
                    yeah you wager in the thousands but won't put $200 in an offshore book

                    yet you post on a forum about offshore sportsbooks

                    there are plenty of vegas forums
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                    • Coolcanuck79
                      SBR MVP
                      • 12-07-11
                      • 3189

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Br0nxer
                      Comped for sports wagers
                      Never heard of that
                      Most places dont even take the cards on sports wagers
                      Other than a free drink card what exactly were you comped
                      Yeah, free drink coupons aplenty but it all adds up. I am not saying that I am getting direct room comps from the sports betting but all CET properties swipe your card if you give it to them regardless of wager size. It also protects you in the event you lose your ticket as they have the wager on file.

                      I do agree ... most MGM and independants don't swipe your card for small or medium size wagers.
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                      • Br0nxer
                        SBR Posting Legend
                        • 03-25-11
                        • 13665

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Coolcanuck79
                        Yeah, free drink coupons aplenty but it all adds up. I am not saying that I am getting direct room comps from the sports betting but all CET properties swipe your card if you give it to them regardless of wager size. It also protects you in the event you lose your ticket as they have the wager on file.

                        I do agree ... most MGM and independants don't swipe your card for small or medium size wagers.
                        What do you consider small. I have placed 1000 dollar wagers and they say we dont take the card for sports
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                        • Coolcanuck79
                          SBR MVP
                          • 12-07-11
                          • 3189

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Br0nxer
                          What do you consider small. I have placed 1000 dollar wagers and they say we dont take the card for sports
                          Depends where you are placing the bet. Some books are very stingy on swiping cards and providing drink tickets. CET books will always swipe your card ... even if it is a $10 bet.
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                          • RealSlimShady
                            SBR Hall of Famer
                            • 12-24-07
                            • 6249

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Br0nxer
                            Comped for sports wagers
                            Never heard of that
                            Most places dont even take the cards on sports wagers
                            Other than a free drink card what exactly were you comped
                            At CET, you get about 1000 Rewards Credits($10 comps) for every $16,000 bet. I hear that the Hilton gives back $1 comp for every $220 bet.
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                            • Sam Odom
                              SBR Aristocracy
                              • 10-30-05
                              • 58063

                              #15
                              Don't act like a 'wise guy'. <--- The casino personnel will laugh at you

                              Keep bets <3K. If you have a larger bet spread it out with several Casinos

                              Enjoy yourself
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                              • Coolcanuck79
                                SBR MVP
                                • 12-07-11
                                • 3189

                                #16
                                Exactly ... my comps mostly come from blackjack and video poker. My main reason for using the card is sometimes my drunken shinanagans result in tickets being misplaced or destroyed.
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                                • wantitall4moi
                                  SBR MVP
                                  • 04-17-10
                                  • 3063

                                  #17
                                  It might be overkill on some stuff for awhile since they look like theyre going to start cracking down on runners. So it could be a mixed bag. I am sure if it is habitual then you'll have to sign some paper work that at least says the bet is for you personally not someone else. If they know you then this might not be an issue, but if youre someone off the street they might make you do it.

                                  Books can do anything they want actually and pissing and moaning about it doesnt change that. Theyre the dealer youre the junkie. Do they lose some 'legit' business from people who dont want their names all over Vegas? Sure, but they really dont care about that either. If you arent pulling a handle or pressing a button or not sitting at some 3 card table somewhere they couldnt care less about most people.
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                                  • mathdotcom
                                    SBR Posting Legend
                                    • 03-24-08
                                    • 11689

                                    #18
                                    What a fukkin waste of time

                                    You can drop 10k in a couple of clicks online. If you are going to say the odds aren't as good then you're just not looking.
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                                    • JamesBrown
                                      SBR MVP
                                      • 04-07-08
                                      • 3860

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by mathdotcom
                                      What a fukkin waste of time

                                      You can drop 10k in a couple of clicks online. If you are going to say the odds aren't as good then you're just not looking.
                                      Yeah, but US players have to wait up to 4 weeks to get paid....can't beat walking up to the counter with your ticket and getting cold hard cash instantly. No singapor check or P2P garbage. Thats the price for crapier odds.
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                                      • milwaukee mike
                                        BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                        • 08-22-07
                                        • 26914

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by JamesBrown
                                        Yeah, but US players have to wait up to 4 weeks to get paid....can't beat walking up to the counter with your ticket and getting cold hard cash instantly. No singapor check or P2P garbage. Thats the price for crapier odds.
                                        who is making you wait 4 weeks?
                                        i have never received a check from singapore, and i have received quite a few checks

                                        pros and cons of course, yes you're collecting cash but you're also paying cash every single time you make a bet.

                                        and they're not giving you any bonuses, over a million bets there's a 0% chance of success in live casinos and a 100% chance of success on the internet taking bonuses and cross-betting.

                                        even if you're not a bonus whore i would much rather deposit $2k and have $2400 to win 2180 vs. laying down 2k and having $2000 to win 1820.
                                        collect $4580 or collect $3820 hmmm tough decision
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                                        • WSBetter
                                          SBR High Roller
                                          • 01-07-08
                                          • 105

                                          #21
                                          I appreciate the responses, especially the Casino specific details.
                                          Very much helpful.
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                                          • ProfaneReality
                                            SBR Hall of Famer
                                            • 04-14-09
                                            • 7607

                                            #22
                                            so when do they make you fill out tax forms ?
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                                            • linedrivr
                                              SBR MVP
                                              • 01-04-10
                                              • 2223

                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by JamesBrown
                                              People over-exagerate the Vegas book experience. I've been betting in LV for years as I'm a local, and I regularly get down 1-3K bets. I even use a players card to rack up the points. I have a great relationship with the bet takers and there has never been a problem. If you bet a large amount, most likely the person at the counter will call for an approval. People need to stop worrying and start enjoying the experience. And you will never be asked for your ID, room key or any crazy crap like that. If you collect a large wager, then they may ask for your ID for documentation purposes. i've collected on a 6K ticket before with no problems. I've also got down a 6K wager on NFL with no problem. 1-2K on college basketball no problem.
                                              same experience here. no hassles.
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