Maybe. The GOP voters have been looking for an anti-Romney since Iowa. Santorum is leading Ohio big time. I really think GOP primary voters should be careful what they wish for as Santorum's views might look good to hardcore conservatives his stance on many issues will not do well with a large % independents. Independents decide almost every Presidential election.
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yeah..... these "birth control is harmful to women" statements have gotta be making even the hardcore social cons cringe.Comment -
Slick Rick better keep his mouth shut about stupid shit he is going to cost me a bout 8 to 10 pizzas here at SBR.Comment -
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If he was to win nomination, Obama could not campaign at all and still win by a mile. The guy brought a dead fetus home to show his kids their dead sibling. Yeah, that's a guy I want representing my country.Comment -
Yeah even though he is winning all the polls, I know he really has no chance, people are going to wise up and realize Romney is at least sane,if not a criminal..Comment -
it's kinda funny this fraud is trying to use morality and religion in his campaign to get votes from them religious freaks. this wacko won't win.Comment -
Tully is a great example of a liberal who is able to accurately understand what the other side is thinking.On the flip side, Dante is a liberal democrat who doesn't have a clue about anything outside his own twisted, progressive beliefs.I don't know, you're giving R a ton of undue credit. I think we have enough crazy R in the electorate to not rule out anything. You have to remember you are dealing with a ton of crazies and a great many of them are really pissed and really confused.<!-- / message -->
Obama and the democrats want to take our country in more of a socialist/progressive direction and there are some Americans (mostly those dependent on the wealth created by others) who agree with them. However, the majority of Americans do NOT want the U.S. to become more socialist/progressive.
The republicans want to take our country in the opposite direction where individuals are more responsible for their own decisions as opposed to the federal government controlling almost everything.
Seeing what is taking place in the more socialist countries in the EuroZone (Greece, Spain, etc) where unions are protesting and looting to oppose austerity measures being implemented in order to receive their respective BAILOUT PACKAGES, if anyone is crazy, its the liberal democrats that want to take the U.S. down the same failure-ridden socialist road as Greece and Spain.
Conservatives are really pissed and most definitely confused as to how our country's commander in chief can see what is happening to socialist countries all over the world and still greatly desires to thrust the U.S. in that same failed direction.Comment -
His wife is PISSED over a bet he made using SBR points? Now thats hilarious. Heres hoping her car doesn't start on election day.Comment -
Andy, I wish you would make up your confused R mind. Not too very long ago you said that I was, and I am paraphrasing, a liberal that understands something or other or something. It was something of a compliment which meant absolutely nothing to me. So then I was an okay liberal and today I am what--oh I don't have a clue.
Well Andy at least I am consistent, I know you are confused and you just proved it by your inconstant and inconsistent comments. I submit to you Andy that you are the one that doesn't have a clue. You are even unable to remember what you said not too very long ago about Dante.Comment -
This is complete hogwash. You know what country has high taxation and doesn't run huge deficits but many in America think is socialist? Canada. You know another one, the UK. Germany is considered by many to be a fiscally conservative country but they still have nationalized medicine and education, in fact Germany has the world's oldest socialized medicine system. The Scandinavian countries are also largely socialist, but they are not having problems, in fact they're the ones funding the bailouts.
The problems with socialism are not whats on display in the southern(and some central) European countries right now. The problem that's on display in that they don't have economies that are designed for the new world. They have low technology, mostly agricultural driven economies that are not prepared for it. Germany on the other hand is high technology and innovative. This is not a problem of socialism, its a problem of economic basis. The Scandinavian countries have large amounts of oil and relatively small populations, so socialism continues to thrive there(as it does in the UK and Germany).
The US's problem is that we are pricing ourselves out of the market, are majorly agrarian and not enough high tech manufacturing and don't tax to the level of our social programs(if we're going to have them we need to support them if at all). If anything the problem with the US is that we don't believe in common sacrifice enough, not too much. Our rich and poor gap is realistically and relativistically more like a third world country than it is like a developed nation, its just that the lowest low standard of living is still higher than those third world countries.Comment -
The above argument was made to these guys a hundred times or more, they basically ignore it or make some insane comment like that can't happen here in the US. But, be careful sir because you are one or two comments away from being labeled, well whatever name they feel like using today.
Some of these guys are so confused they can't even remember the comments they made just a few months ago. How are you expecting them to understand some of the above facts. Won't happen.Comment -
Dante, people change all the time and that is the case with you. You used to engage in useful political discussion and I commended you for it. Now all of your posts contain the same crap over and over again about how CRAZY people are who don't embrace your left-wing fanatical beliefs.
Even though we are on opposite ends of the political spectrum, I was able to offer you a compliment. I routinely compliment liberals who are willing to engage in reasonable political discussion without all the "I hate Bush" type of rhetoric.
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The democratic party's answer to all of our country's problems is to have the rich pay all of the income taxes. The problem with that is there just isn't enough millionaires to carry the load.
You know what Germany does that the U.S. refuses to do? Tax the middle class appropriately. If we are going to go down the road of socialism, the middle class are going to have to start ponying up a whole lot more than they are currently.
Below are the tax rates for Germany. You'll notice that their tax rates aren't terribly progressive like they are in the U.S.:
Germany personal Income tax
Germany personal income tax (Einkommenssteuer) rates are progressive up to 45%.
Taxable income (EUR) Tax payable (EUR)
Less than 8,004 Nil
8,005 to 52,881 Progressive rates of between 15% and 42%
52,882 to 250,000 42%
More than 250,000 45%
Germany also has a 19% VAT (Value added tax).
Everyone who lives in Germany pays their fair share of taxes and Germany does NOT have "diversity" problems that exist in the U.S.
Germany's unemployment rate as of December 2011 = 6.6% and that figure is probably calculated a whole lot more honestly than the unemployment rate is calcualated in the U.S.Comment -
Change, really that is your excuse. Please Andy that is weak.
And I don't think all the R are crazies just many of them. Let's review for a second. You have one candidate that would like to stop any type of birth control except the one he likes and would like to destroy Iran just for starters, you have another that thinks it is perfectly okay to transport a dog on the roof of a car, wants to make $10,000 wagers on tv debates and calls himself a what type of conservative again, then you have another candidate that would like no regs on business at all and would very much like to legalize or decriminalize all types of drugs and thinks the civil rights laws just might be wrong. I call that crazy, you can call it anything you like.
And just to be clear I do not align myself with the left on every issue, you may not know that but it is true. However on most social issues well what can I say many R are just crazy. No other word I can find that fits more eloquently and perfectly as crazy.
Problem is Andy I am a left leaning moderate and you are a way right R and moderates look like far out leftists to you and people like you. You forever label people "liberal" like it is a curse. Did you ever hear the phrase "a liberal republic," that is what the US is considered.Comment -
We need a candidate that is a fiscal conservative and an extreme social-liberal.......Basically Ron Paul, but not as extreme and someone who can appeal better to the "doubters"
Everything should be legalized and most of it can be regulated and taxed to help our economy tremendously.....Get rid of black markets and other countries taking away huge markets
Stop the War on drugs.....It doesn't work and is a huge burden on this country, especially financially
It's not that fukkin hard America....WAKE UP!!Comment -
Really we need to stop big brother! Too many regulations. Obama wants big government, who controls your everyday life. Plus he wants another 3 trillion to spend. Has no interest in helping Israel, but has no problem helping the Muslim of Brotherhood.Comment -
Please point to which specific policies Obama has pushed for that equate to government controlling your every day life. Please also explain which of these policies is unique to Obama where something similar was not passed by a Republican President or passed while the Republican Party controlled at least half of the legislative branch. Are you specifically referring to Obamacare? Are you talking about the CFPB? Do you believe that it was too many regulations that led to the financial crisis of 2008?
When you say he wants another 3 trillion to spend do you mean that his proposed budget calls for 3.8 trillion dollars in spending? You are aware(who am I kidding of course you're not) that 2.1 trillion dollars of the federal budget right now is mandatory spending that the president can't directly reduce without an act of congress outside of the budgeting process? 700 billion is the defense department. Only 646 billion is non-military discretionary spending.
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santorum has this locked up,
Romney can't win new york texas, kentucky, virginia, tenn, indiana, illinois, ohio, michigan, aka romneys home state,
alabama, georgia, miss, north carolina, west virginia,
Its pretty much all over. Newt screwed up or he would be doing better now. people are tired of romney. I wanted romney to win because i like about what he says about china and the economy but the stupid religious people and newt and romney fighting eachother is handing the election to santorum
Also don't forget its about delegates, not votes.
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Too bad it was only for SBR points...
Will SBR put the odds back up before New Hampshire so I can hedge with Romney?
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If it's Santorum, it will be laughable in the General. If it's Romney, the question will become if he's too damaged from a long primary to compete in the General Election against Obama. It's becoming pretty obvious now there will either be a brokered convention or the primary won't be decided for several months to come.Comment -
Heh. Santorum's such a tool.Comment -
Great political discussion guys!Comment -
I did hedge a bit for profit for points few weeks back! Romney at -1000 now.Rick at +1200.Still have a shot I think, albeit small.I wish Newt would drop out to give me a chance.Comment -
Dante, Andywend makes a great point about how he used to complement you even thought you guys disagree politically. Those days are over by the sounds of it.
If you are a left leaning moderate then the meaning must have changed and I must be the queen of England.
you wrote about ......... a bet made on TV (you bet don't you? Do you have an issue with gambling all of a sudden?), you purposely mislead by saying they want NO REG on business? If you truly believe that, then you are the ONLY person that does.
legalizing drugs is an idea who's time has come despite all the evidence to the contrary, people will still want to have it illegal. Portugal decriminalized drugs over 10 years ago and drug use in down by half. http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain...f-in-portugal/ - http://www.time.com/time/health/arti...893946,00.html. The evidence is overwhelming. Heck, not that long ago you would be arrested for having a drink but a day later it was perfectly fine. LOL. I don't do drugs myself but why should I have any say whether you do? You are alive X amount of years and why should any person or government arrest you for smoking a plant but allow you to ferment grapes and drink it? Keeping it illegal costs billions and it doesn't make a difference. Unless you build prisons I guess. You have 20 cops break down a front door to arrest some guy selling pot? Sometimes they get the wrong house and end up shooting someones dog, Or worse. And then you bring up the dog on the roof? OHHH yes none of those guys are fit to be president but Obama is? ..........
You unconditionally support King Obama who has only been the biggest liar and spender in American history. You wouldn't say a bad thing about Obama even if he got caught buying and smoking crack in Harlem with a 13 year old Puerto Rican boy.
- Guantanamo bay to be closed within a year
- to hold open debates on c-span when discussing health care.
- to Cut Deficit in Half by end of first term
- Unemployment rate will be 8.5% without stimulus.
- there will be No Earmarks in the $787 Billion Stimulus
- he Would have the most transparent administration in History
- We will go through our federal budget – page by page, line by line – eliminating those programs we don’t need, and insisting that those we do operate in a sensible cost-effective way.
- I’ll get rid of earmarks
- I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.
and these gems...
- I think when you spread the wealth around, it's good for everybody." -- defending his tax plan to Joe the Plumber, who argued that Obama's policy hurts small-business owners like himself, Toledo, Ohio, Oct. 12, 2008
- "When I meet with world leaders, what's striking -- whether it's in Europe or here in Asia..." -mistakenly referring to Hawaii as Asia while holding a press conference outside Honolulu, Nov. 16, 2011
- "We're the country that built the Intercontinental Railroad." —Cincinnati, OH, Sept. 22, 2011
- "The Cambridge police acted stupidly." —commenting on a white police officer's arrest of black scholar Henry Louis Gates Jr. at his home in Cambridge, Mass., at a news conference, July 22, 2009
- "In case you missed it, this week, there was a tragedy in Kansas. Ten thousand people died -- an entire town destroyed." --on a Kansas tornado that killed 12 people
- The health care bill will not increase the deficit by one dime.
- I have visited all 57 states
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Dwight,
"If you are a left leaning liberal" needs to be changed to "If you are a left leaning moderate".
Dante used to engage in intelligent political discussion which is why I complimented him even though our political beliefs clash in just about every issue of importance. Unfortunately, those days are long gone and now in Dante's world, unless you believe exactly the way he does, then you must be retarded.
I wouldn't be surprised to learn that someone else is posting on Dante's account as people don't often have such an about face in general attitude.Comment -
Most dems are moderates..
Most crazies are repubs.
Bill maher doesnt rule the democrat party
Limbaugh rules the repub party..
Thats how retarted thesr fukks are.
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Limbaugh rules the republican party? Says who? Rush Limbaugh's job description is no different than Keith Olbermann, Ed Schultz or Rachel Maddow. The only difference is that Rush is EXTREMELY SUCCESSFUL at what he does because people enjoy listening to him. On the other hand, only left-wing crazies like yourself enjoy listening to Olbermann, Schultz, Maddow, etc so their ratings are for shit.
Rush Limbaugh and Bill Maher are both entertainers who focus on politics. Maher has called Palin and Bachmann every filthy name in the book and nary a peep out of democrats. Limbaugh got caught up in the heat of the moment and went off on that floozy because she went to Capitol Hill to whine that she shouldn't have to pay for her birth control.
The liberal media gives nasty liberal democrats like Maher, Olbermann and Schultz a pass when they call women sluts, oysters, etc and choose to attack Limbaugh when he does the same. This whole Limbaugh outrage clearly shows the hypocrisy of the MSM and the democratic party and its NOT going to help Obama and the democrats but could very well hurt them if the republicans use it wisely.
Once again, the democrats are FIGHTING TOOTH AND NAIL in opposition to having to show ID in the voting booth because they know full well that 99% of voter fraud goes in their favor.
If we charge a $10 item at a department store, the cashier will ask for ID to confirm identity but the democrats REFUSE to allow it at the voting booth.
Most republicans are hard working people who want to keep more of what they earn.
Most democrats gobble up every government service and assistance program they can get their filthy hands on and get angry when republicans don't want to pay for it.
THAT'S HOW RETARDED THESE LIBERAL FUKKS ARE.Comment -
Polls show that if Newt drops the voters would be split nearly 50-50 for Rick and Mitt... wouldn't help Rick enough to get the Nom. Rick needs something like 75% (possibly more by now?) of all remaining delegates to get the nomination.
It's either a brokered convention or Mitt... which means, either way it's likely Mitt.
Ricks needs a hail Mary... maybe it's good he's Catholic.Comment -
Most republicans I know were hot to trot to go to war with both Afghanistan and Iraq. Now that the debt has been run to massive amounts fighting those wars they have no interest in paying for the war for which they were cheerleaders. They want the government to spend money too.. they just have no interest in paying for those things.
Both side are full of fukk tards.Comment -
I think your wager on Rick looks better this morning. Mitt's staff may have just etch a sketched new life into Rick's chances. This could really catch fire and give GOP voters yet another reason to question Mitts conservative comment.Comment -
Bump. bump, bump... another one bites the dust. And Newts on the edge of the financial abyss so he's toast soon too though he's so dulussional regarding his own grandeur he may never admit he's done. That really only leaves Paul who doesn't look that much like a serious threat but could start to look like one now that everyone else in Mitts ways is done. Paul could pick up delegates from the fallen and look for him to clean up in Texas. Could get interesting.Comment
