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  • redsoxfreak91
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    • 10-17-11
    • 903

    #1
    good political topic discussion for the night
    Right now our country is going backwards economically. Taxes are raising and the money in peoples wallets is decreasing. Over the last few years and even further back it is clearly evident that the government is corrupt and does not know how to spend money. On the other hand big businesses are getting bigger by the day and keeping the country afloat. Occupy Wall Street is going on and I believe that the movement should move to Washington. I believe that the country was founded on capitalism policies where the smart and motivated can be successful with little taxes and government influences. Now though the government wants a say on everything that happens and is actually limiting the potential of some business owners as they can work less hard and pay less taxes yet make the same money as someone who puts a little bit more effort but then fall into a higher tax bracket. I come from the mindset of a big business owner and I believe in a set percent tax. I believe that the more money you can keep in the big business owners hands, the more businesses will expand, create jobs, and create increasing spending. I believe that with a major restructure of our tax system, our country can get back to our roots where capitalism reigns supreme. Forget bailouts, forget raising the debt ceiling....the main problem is the fact the U.S. dollar is decreasing and until we raise the value of the U.S. dollar our debt will continue to rise.
  • jw
    SBR MVP
    • 10-25-09
    • 3999

    #2
    Originally posted by redsoxfreak91
    Right now our country is going backwards economically. Taxes are raising
    I'll stop reading right there as you obviously ave no idea what you are talking about.
    If your taxes have increased at all over the past 3-4 years .. no matter if you are a big business owner, a small business owner, or a regular employee of any kind .. you are doing it wrong .. taxes are at their lowest levels in a long, long time .. FOR EVERYONE ... which is a very big reason why the government debt is so high.

    If you are paying a higher percentage in taxes now than you were when Obama took office .. i'd get yourself another accountant.
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    • ttwarrior1
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      • 06-23-09
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      #3
      i ytruof sllip tsuj koot
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      • andywend
        SBR MVP
        • 05-20-07
        • 4805

        #4
        JW is the last person on the planet that should be commenting in this thread as he hasn't paid a nickels worth of tax since moving to the U.S. 10 years ago after successfully evading the tax man in his native homeland.

        Redsoxfreak, if the country was run as you suggested, we would have more jobs and there would be far greater production in the U.S.

        Your views are right on target and perhaps you might want to consider a run for political office. YOU'VE GOT MY VOTE!!!!

        Since JW pays no taxes and is a big fan of higher taxes/bigger government, you won't get his unless you can figure out a way to send him some sort of check every month.
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        • dante1
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          • 10-31-05
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          #5
          Originally posted by ttwarrior1
          i ytruof sllip tsuj koot

          Oh my, are you still alive.
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          • d2bets
            BARRELED IN @ SBR!
            • 08-10-05
            • 39995

            #6
            Originally posted by andywend
            JW is the last person on the planet that should be commenting in this thread as he hasn't paid a nickels worth of tax since moving to the U.S. 10 years ago after successfully evading the tax man in his native homeland.

            Redsoxfreak, if the country was run as you suggested, we would have more jobs and there would be far greater production in the U.S.

            Your views are right on target and perhaps you might want to consider a run for political office. YOU'VE GOT MY VOTE!!!!

            Since JW pays no taxes and is a big fan of higher taxes/bigger government, you won't get his unless you can figure out a way to send him some sort of check every month.
            Pathetic response. Nothing but ad hominen. Have your taxes increased over the last 3 years?
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            • tony_come
              SBR Posting Legend
              • 03-31-10
              • 21695

              #7
              Go pound some games today

              Go!
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              • Andy117
                SBR Hall of Famer
                • 02-07-10
                • 9511

                #8
                Originally posted by andywend
                JW is the last person on the planet that should be commenting in this thread as he hasn't paid a nickels worth of tax since moving to the U.S. 10 years ago after successfully evading the tax man in his native homeland.

                Redsoxfreak, if the country was run as you suggested, we would have more jobs and there would be far greater production in the U.S.

                Your views are right on target and perhaps you might want to consider a run for political office. YOU'VE GOT MY VOTE!!!!

                Since JW pays no taxes and is a big fan of higher taxes/bigger government, you won't get his unless you can figure out a way to send him some sort of check every month.
                But can you refute what he said, have taxes in fact gone up?
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                • big0mar
                  SBR MVP
                  • 01-09-09
                  • 3374

                  #9
                  Disagree with the premise of this thread

                  USA is actively expanding its empire

                  There will be short term stresses because of it

                  Deal with it
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                  • jw
                    SBR MVP
                    • 10-25-09
                    • 3999

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Andy117

                    But can you refute what he said, have taxes in fact gone up?
                    Not for Flip-Flop .. he does not have a job ... fine one to be lecturing others ...

                    1. He has no job.
                    2. He claims thousands and thousands of dollars each year in tax breaks.
                    3. He pays a much lower tax rate than the 99% he is fighting against ...
                    4. He wants to take the vote away from Blacks, women and non-land-owners
                    5. He still insists on telling others how much they should be paying so that they can support his deadbeat ass.

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                    • High3rEl3m3nt
                      SBR Hall of Famer
                      • 09-28-10
                      • 8022

                      #11
                      I am all about autonomy and preserving personal liberties--don't believe either of the parties represents my political leanings.

                      As to the argument as to whether taxes have gone up or not, it is important to recognize that politicians realize the word "taxes" carries negative connotations and so, other words have been coined to hide revenue raising policies and agendas. For example, where I live, they have what's called a value added service, which has resulted in homeowners being charged an extra fee for police services. No, I don't live in the boonies, but right in the middle of suburbia. Because the economy has recessed, which reduced tax revenues, rather than downsizing, politicians have become creative in finding news ways to take from those that have to fund existing programs.

                      As I have experienced, one thing is certain. Government has become bigger. Government is not cost-effective nor as efficient as private industry. Tax payers fund the government. The economy has recessed. A recessed economy means less tax revenues. If government programs have largely continued without mirroring reduced revenues, then either taxes have to increase or borrowing/printing money must occur to continue to fund them. Either way, it's bad news!

                      Don't fall into the its repubs or dems' fault. It's got to stop!
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                      • FourLengthsClear
                        SBR MVP
                        • 12-29-10
                        • 3808

                        #12
                        Originally posted by big0mar
                        Disagree with the premise of this thread

                        USA is actively expanding its empire

                        There will be short term stresses because of it

                        Deal with it
                        Your head is full of rocks.
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                        • itchypickle
                          SBR Posting Legend
                          • 11-05-09
                          • 21452

                          #13
                          Originally posted by ttwarrior1
                          i ytruof sllip tsuj koot


                          Uh ohh.....TT ate one too many twinkies again and his blood sugar went haywire.....speaking like hes in shock
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                          • CarpeDime
                            SBR Hall of Famer
                            • 09-01-09
                            • 7873

                            #14
                            taxes have gone through the roof in the US in recent years which is why our debt has skyrocketed, HUGE SHOCKER, and the fiscally irresponsible liberals/socialists in government are loving it

                            the answer is simple -

                            1 - cut taxes starting with the richest people as well as corporations, and then when they have more money they will start jobs with it.

                            2 - Eliminate medicaid and medicare completely - if people want to go to the doctor they are free to earn money to pay for it, if they can't afford to pay for it, then don't go to the doctor. Simple.

                            3 - Eliminate social security. If people want to retire, they are free to make money to retire with. No handouts if you didn't save gramps, sorry pal, I like to be greeted when I go to Walmart and that position has your name written all over it.

                            4 - Raise defense spending, I would double it. Keeps other countries doing what we want, and creates defense contractor jobs

                            5 - eliminate welfare completely. Welfare makes up 15% of our entire budget, and for what? To let lazy people be more lazy. Eliminate it and you have instantly cut spending by 15%

                            6 - drill for oil. no brainer. we need oil, we have oil, drill for it, get it, use it, no brainer

                            common sense, people
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                            • Sunde91
                              SBR Hall of Famer
                              • 11-26-09
                              • 8325

                              #15
                              carpe is a satire machine

                              huge fruity f\*g liberal in reality
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                              • CarpeDime
                                SBR Hall of Famer
                                • 09-01-09
                                • 7873

                                #16
                                Originally posted by Sunde91

                                huge fruity f\*g liberal in reality
                                nope

                                and which parts of what I wrote do you disagree with?
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                                • Sunde91
                                  SBR Hall of Famer
                                  • 11-26-09
                                  • 8325

                                  #17
                                  none man nuke those towel heads god hates queers impeach Barak Hussein kick the wetbacks out ROCK ON UHHHMERIKA
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                                  • Romocide
                                    SBR MVP
                                    • 09-14-11
                                    • 1404

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by CarpeDime
                                    taxes have gone through the roof in the US in recent years which is why our debt has skyrocketed, HUGE SHOCKER, and the fiscally irresponsible liberals/socialists in government are loving it

                                    the answer is simple -

                                    1 - cut taxes starting with the richest people as well as corporations, and then when they have more money they will start jobs with it.

                                    2 - Eliminate medicaid and medicare completely - if people want to go to the doctor they are free to earn money to pay for it, if they can't afford to pay for it, then don't go to the doctor. Simple.

                                    3 - Eliminate social security. If people want to retire, they are free to make money to retire with. No handouts if you didn't save gramps, sorry pal, I like to be greeted when I go to Walmart and that position has your name written all over it.

                                    4 - Raise defense spending, I would double it. Keeps other countries doing what we want, and creates defense contractor jobs

                                    5 - eliminate welfare completely. Welfare makes up 15% of our entire budget, and for what? To let lazy people be more lazy. Eliminate it and you have instantly cut spending by 15%

                                    6 - drill for oil. no brainer. we need oil, we have oil, drill for it, get it, use it, no brainer

                                    common sense, people
                                    Wow, you are one of the top 5 biggest morons I have ever encountered on the internet. Just stupid. Not based solely on this individual post, but on all of your posts that I have read collectively.

                                    I'm sorry, that was rude. I know that you can't help your lack of intelligence, and I don't fault you for that. You just need to become aware of your mental limitations. I'm sure that you have been ridiculed for this shortfall for much of your life, and you desperately want to believe that you're as smart as your peers. That is completely understandable. Sadly, you will never receive the validation that you crave. However, a lack of intelligence does not mean that you can't excel in other aspects of life. Maybe you are good at running? Maybe you are good at cleaning? Maybe you are good at taking care of your pets?

                                    All I am saying is that maybe you would be better served focusing your attention on things in which you are better equipped. Issues that require less brain power. There is no shame in that.

                                    I imagine that you will read this post and immediately decide to write an angry rebuttal in response. I told you some things truths about yourself that you're not ready to accept, so I understand. I feel like I should let you know that I will not reply, no matter what you decide to write. If you choose to waste your time anyway, that is your right. Take care, and I wish you the best in the future.
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                                    • CarpeDime
                                      SBR Hall of Famer
                                      • 09-01-09
                                      • 7873

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by Romocide
                                      Wow, you are one of the top 5 biggest morons I have ever encountered on the internet. Just stupid. Not based solely on this individual post, but on all of your posts that I have read collectively.

                                      I'm sorry, that was rude. I know that you can't help your lack of intelligence, and I don't fault you for that. You just need to become aware of your mental limitations. I'm sure that you have been ridiculed for this shortfall for much of your life, and you desperately want to believe that you're as smart as your peers. That is completely understandable. Sadly, you will never receive the validation that you crave. However, a lack of intelligence does not mean that you can't excel in other aspects of life. Maybe you are good at running? Maybe you are good at cleaning? Maybe you are good at taking care of your pets?

                                      All I am saying is that maybe you would be better served focusing your attention on things in which you are better equipped. Issues that require less brain power. There is no shame in that.

                                      I imagine that you will read this post and immediately decide to write an angry rebuttal in response. I told you some things truths about yourself that you're not ready to accept, so I understand. I feel like I should let you know that I will not reply, no matter what you decide to write. If you choose to waste your time anyway, that is your right. Take care, and I wish you the best in the future.
                                      im smarter then you pal trust me i know the truth hurts but dont blame the messenger

                                      you want to get into a capping contest to really find out whom is smarter? lets go pal LETS DO IT!!
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                                      • doublej95
                                        SBR Posting Legend
                                        • 01-26-10
                                        • 14094

                                        #20
                                        useless Americans lay around and curse the government and hope they right the ship for them.
                                        real Americans go out and bust their ass everyday at whatever they do to right the ship
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                                        • Balco10
                                          SBR Hall of Famer
                                          • 09-11-10
                                          • 5478

                                          #21
                                          Exact reason we need Newt in Office ASAP!
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                                          • StrictlyBusiness
                                            SBR High Roller
                                            • 12-15-11
                                            • 139

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by jw
                                            I'll stop reading right there as you obviously ave no idea what you are talking about.
                                            If your taxes have increased at all over the past 3-4 years .. no matter if you are a big business owner, a small business owner, or a regular employee of any kind .. you are doing it wrong .. taxes are at their lowest levels in a long, long time .. FOR EVERYONE ... which is a very big reason why the government debt is so high.

                                            If you are paying a higher percentage in taxes now than you were when Obama took office .. i'd get yourself another accountant.
                                            It is pretty amazing how clueless some are... FOX news baybee
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                                            • Balco10
                                              SBR Hall of Famer
                                              • 09-11-10
                                              • 5478

                                              #23
                                              FOX is the best by far...what are your media outlets???
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                                              • Balco10
                                                SBR Hall of Famer
                                                • 09-11-10
                                                • 5478

                                                #24
                                                NPR, MSNBC are far left nuts...
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                                                • doublej95
                                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                                  • 01-26-10
                                                  • 14094

                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by Balco10
                                                  FOX is the best by far...what are your media outlets???

                                                  Fox Fair and Balanced
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                                                  • Romocide
                                                    SBR MVP
                                                    • 09-14-11
                                                    • 1404

                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by Balco10
                                                    FOX is the best by far...what are your media outlets???
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                                                    • big0mar
                                                      SBR MVP
                                                      • 01-09-09
                                                      • 3374

                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by Balco10
                                                      FOX is the best by far...what are your media outlets???
                                                      [B][B]They key isn't getting rich quick. The key is getting rich slowly, and enjoying it.

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                                                      • DwightShrute
                                                        SBR Aristocracy
                                                        • 01-17-09
                                                        • 103407

                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by jw
                                                        I'll stop reading right there as you obviously ave no idea what you are talking about.
                                                        If your taxes have increased at all over the past 3-4 years .. no matter if you are a big business owner, a small business owner, or a regular employee of any kind .. you are doing it wrong .. taxes are at their lowest levels in a long, long time .. FOR EVERYONE ... which is a very big reason why the government debt is so high.

                                                        If you are paying a higher percentage in taxes now than you were when Obama took office .. i'd get yourself another accountant.
                                                        JW taxes are too high as it is. They should be lowered if anything. Obama and his Liberals are smart in this sense ... they know that deflecting their own inadequacies and incompetence by blaming the rich again gets the lefties talking about that rather than the real issues. You guys keep buying their BS over and over.



                                                        MUHerd37 said it the best .....
                                                        You simply don't have the facts on your side. Moving money from the general fund to social security isn't going to help anything. That just creates an even bigger deficit. Also, tax cuts do pay for themselves. It's the insane spending that kills it. The Bush tax cuts created wealth and brought in more money for the government. From 2004 to 2007 the tax revenue increased by $785 billion for the federal government alone. That's the largest 4 year gain in American history. That doesn't include the increase to the states. Also, after the tax cuts, the rich paid an even higher percentage of the tax burden. The highest in the last 40 years. However, it all got shot to shit because the spending went through the roof. Then the Democrats took over and the spending how gone up even higher. That's why you see groups like tea party spring up and saying to stop the spending. We are more than $15 trillion in debt right and it's just gonna keep going up with all the spending. The Republicans want this pay roll tax cut to be 1 year and they want it to be paid for. Exactly what is wrong with asking shit to be paid for? We can't just keep on adding to the debt.
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                                                        • Dutch
                                                          SBR MVP
                                                          • 09-21-10
                                                          • 4339

                                                          #29
                                                          Both parties can scratch each others backs, give money to earmarks and pork...Meanwhile jobs and production have been pouring out of this country under both parties, our infrastucture has been allowed to crumble under both parties....

                                                          And all people can come up with is
                                                          "Democrats are socialist"
                                                          "Republicans only care about the rich"
                                                          "Fox news is awesome"
                                                          "Fox news is shit"
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                                                          • redsoxfreak91
                                                            Restricted User
                                                            • 10-17-11
                                                            • 903

                                                            #30
                                                            First off taxes are raising...the government wants more money so it can spend more money which the people like, but it is only a temporary solution. Obama is asking for an extra 1.2 trillion dollar increase to the debt ceiling. How do you think he plans on paying that off...higher taxes. The main problem I see is with 11% of spending going towards welfare and 18% going towards health care. Now this next statement is going to seem funny and very...well...I guess wrong. But use an open mind and if you black I'm sorry, this isn't just about you its also about white trailer trash. Obviously welfare and medicaid are directed heavily towards the poorer population. This poorer population also happens to have more kids than most because they know they can get extra welfare and medicaid with more kids and they dont and only just **** all day. That sounds racist or whatever but again this is for all poor communities (white, black, mexican, asian, whatever). Now for all the money that we spend each year on each additional kid born into these bad communities to just be raised to do the same thing...would it be worth it to the government to offer the male in these areas a lump sum or 5 or 10 thousand dollars to get a vasectomy. I know this sounds just wrong but look at it in the long term spectrum. It would reduce gangs, crime, and most importantly, it would most definitely make up for the cost by the amount of welfare and medicaid it would save each year. I want some open minded opinions no stupid responses like JW who talks out his ass and just calls me and idiot with no backing.
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                                                            • redsoxfreak91
                                                              Restricted User
                                                              • 10-17-11
                                                              • 903

                                                              #31
                                                              And another thing...I hate the party system. More political discussions are arguing about their parties believes rather than collaborating to help us out of this mess.
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                                                              • High3rEl3m3nt
                                                                SBR Hall of Famer
                                                                • 09-28-10
                                                                • 8022

                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by redsoxfreak91
                                                                First off taxes are raising...the government wants more money so it can spend more money which the people like, but it is only a temporary solution. Obama is asking for an extra 1.2 trillion dollar increase to the debt ceiling. How do you think he plans on paying that off...higher taxes. The main problem I see is with 11% of spending going towards welfare and 18% going towards health care. Now this next statement is going to seem funny and very...well...I guess wrong. But use an open mind and if you black I'm sorry, this isn't just about you its also about white trailer trash. Obviously welfare and medicaid are directed heavily towards the poorer population. This poorer population also happens to have more kids than most because they know they can get extra welfare and medicaid with more kids and they dont and only just **** all day. That sounds racist or whatever but again this is for all poor communities (white, black, mexican, asian, whatever). Now for all the money that we spend each year on each additional kid born into these bad communities to just be raised to do the same thing...would it be worth it to the government to offer the male in these areas a lump sum or 5 or 10 thousand dollars to get a vasectomy. I know this sounds just wrong but look at it in the long term spectrum. It would reduce gangs, crime, and most importantly, it would most definitely make up for the cost by the amount of welfare and medicaid it would save each year. I want some open minded opinions no stupid responses like JW who talks out his ass and just calls me and idiot with no backing.
                                                                I think you are over simplifying the problem and are ignoring the larger issue at hand. It is not just the traditional "poor," if you will, who are needing assistance, but it is now the new poor, which includes hardworking, blue-collar families that once were able to make ends meet. Because the cost of doing business in the U.S. means that companies and corporations are unable to compete with their respective global competitors, they do what's needed to be competitive.

                                                                You can't have one of the world's highest corporate tax rates, most regulated markets, and expect to be competitive with other companies that don't have all of the hang-ups. I guarantee that more and more sectors of the market will continue to leave the U.S., unless there's a major shift in the approach to policies and expectations of government. Until then, there's going to be more and more poor Americans who will need government assistance to secure health care and prescriptions.

                                                                Obviously, I believe that the engine of our country is our economy and to keep it running at an optimal level, it needs less government everything. Without an economy, education loses its value, social mobility is a fantasy, and dependency upon the govt. is unavoidable. It's time that we care for ourselves and each other, rather than relying on the myth that big brother knows what's best for us and our communities. Decentralize everything!
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                                                                • big0mar
                                                                  SBR MVP
                                                                  • 01-09-09
                                                                  • 3374

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Nobody in America is really poor

                                                                  You could panhandle and make $100k a year

                                                                  Just being an SBR Pro will get you free pizzas
                                                                  [B][B]They key isn't getting rich quick. The key is getting rich slowly, and enjoying it.

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                                                                  • rkelly110
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                                                                    • 10-05-09
                                                                    • 39691

                                                                    #34
                                                                    I know, I know, the govt doesn't operate like it's low life citizens. They can print money, we can't. Why don't they give everyone a permanent tax holiday and just print money when they need it?

                                                                    Sounds stupid doesn't it?

                                                                    I know when my finances take a dump, I get rid of and reduce expenditures. Why can't the govt? Why should they be any different? Who in their right mind is going to give you a loan if you're unemployed, or in the gov'ts case a 20-30% drop in revenue?

                                                                    I saw this shit coming a mile away and prepared for it. Allowing a world economy was bound to hurt Americans and benefit other nations. What's going to happen when China has comparable wages to us, or Japan? It's going to happen in this decade, bank it.

                                                                    I understand we will never get those companies back. If the govt wants to invest, invest in American companies who want to manufacture here. The world economy is here, it's timeto bring it back to America.

                                                                    Buy American. Assembled, designed and or made. Support your local business owner. Stay out of Wal-mart. If you can't, you know what to look for.

                                                                    We have to stop relying on the govt to fix this, WE have to do it. Look at BkofAma, now that's what I'm talking about!
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