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  • warriorfan707
    SBR Posting Legend
    • 03-29-08
    • 13698

    #1
    Beltran to the Cardinals


    Hes gonna end up there almost for certain. He can still mash.
  • HoulihansTX
    BARRELED IN @ SBR!
    • 02-12-09
    • 30566

    #2
    He is a bum...
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    • jjgold
      SBR Aristocracy
      • 07-20-05
      • 388179

      #3
      He is better than he average MLB player

      Good pickup
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      • Chimneyfish
        SBR MVP
        • 09-30-10
        • 1217

        #4
        Originally posted by HoulihansTX
        He is a bum...
        He got overshadowed in the media by Hunter Pence's big comeback in Philly, but he actually had the best season of his career last year.
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        • Brock Landers
          SBR Aristocracy
          • 06-30-08
          • 45359

          #5
          his best years were 5 or more years ago
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          • Chimneyfish
            SBR MVP
            • 09-30-10
            • 1217

            #6
            He posted the highest OPS+ of career last year after being traded to the Giants (156).
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            • KingJD31
              SBR Hall of Famer
              • 11-04-11
              • 8167

              #7
              Originally posted by Chimneyfish
              He got overshadowed in the media by Hunter Pence's big comeback in Philly, but he actually had the best season of his career last year.
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              • KingJD31
                SBR Hall of Famer
                • 11-04-11
                • 8167

                #8
                you know he put up 40+ homers one year right
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                • Chimneyfish
                  SBR MVP
                  • 09-30-10
                  • 1217

                  #9
                  Originally posted by KingJD31
                  You're right- smilies are way more convincing than stats.
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                  • HoulihansTX
                    BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                    • 02-12-09
                    • 30566

                    #10
                    I wonder what percentage of the season he will miss now that he has a new contract?

                    50% is my guess
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                    • KingJD31
                      SBR Hall of Famer
                      • 11-04-11
                      • 8167

                      #11
                      .275 41 hr 116 rbi 38 doubles 127 runs in 2006 i say thats his best year
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                      • Chimneyfish
                        SBR MVP
                        • 09-30-10
                        • 1217

                        #12
                        Originally posted by KingJD31
                        you know he put up 40+ homers one year right
                        Trying to judge a player entirely on a single stat category isn't going to be very telling. Most people these days now realize that things like on base percentages are nearly twice as important as things like slugging percentages. The raw HR stat doesn't tell you whether a player is costing his team by wasting a lot of outs. Plus, it's not adjusted for ballpark factors. The OPS+ stat accounts for both of those things.
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                        • KingJD31
                          SBR Hall of Famer
                          • 11-04-11
                          • 8167

                          #13
                          look at all the numbers i gave you above your gonna tell me ops is more important than all of that?
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                          • HoulihansTX
                            BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                            • 02-12-09
                            • 30566

                            #14
                            Chimney, you sound lik an intelligent guy, and astute fan of baseball. All the more puzzling as to how you do not know Beltran is a bum. Hmmmm
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                            • Dirty Sanchez
                              SBR Posting Legend
                              • 03-01-10
                              • 16031

                              #15
                              The Beltran Experiment runs hot and cold.....this could be a good fit between Holiday and Berkman....I think it's a good pickup for SL
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                              • Chimneyfish
                                SBR MVP
                                • 09-30-10
                                • 1217

                                #16
                                Originally posted by KingJD31
                                .275 41 hr 116 rbi 38 doubles 127 runs in 2006 i say thats his best year
                                He had a great year in 2006. As far as his unadjusted rates go, his 2006 year was very similar to his 2011 year:

                                2006: .275/.388/.594
                                2011: .300/.385/.525

                                When you adjust for league averages (to account for things like the pitching dominance in 2011) and ballpark factors (to account for things like AT&T Park suppressing home runs) then 2011 gets the edge over 2006 by 6 OPS+ points.

                                Even still, I wouldn't have any problem conceding that 2011 was only his second best year compared to 2006. The point is that he played very well last season, which is why he was an All Star and got MVP votes.
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                                • Chimneyfish
                                  SBR MVP
                                  • 09-30-10
                                  • 1217

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by KingJD31
                                  look at all the numbers i gave you above your gonna tell me ops is more important than all of that?
                                  Yes, absolutely. Stats like RBI's and especially runs scored are just about meaningless because they are influenced much more by factors such as a player's position in the lineup instead of the player's actual abilities.
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                                  • warriorfan707
                                    SBR Posting Legend
                                    • 03-29-08
                                    • 13698

                                    #18
                                    Beltran is no bum. He put on quite a show in a Giants Uniform in September.
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                                    • warriorfan707
                                      SBR Posting Legend
                                      • 03-29-08
                                      • 13698

                                      #19
                                      Done deal. 2 years, 25 million.
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                                      • KingJD31
                                        SBR Hall of Famer
                                        • 11-04-11
                                        • 8167

                                        #20
                                        truu yeah hes a diff. player now he doesnt play the outfield like he used to, and he doesnt have the pop but he shows glimpes but he can still give you 25 double 300avg hes still and good player
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                                        • Salmon Steak
                                          SBR MVP
                                          • 03-05-10
                                          • 2110

                                          #21
                                          Berkman came back from the dead with saint louis last season, so I don't see why Beltran could not do the same. With wainwright coming back they could have another solid year.
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                                          • Chimneyfish
                                            SBR MVP
                                            • 09-30-10
                                            • 1217

                                            #22
                                            Come back from the dead? I guess being "dead" means "being traded to a baseball market that ESPN doesn't cover." We're talking about a guy coming off an All Star season. It's hardly comparable to how bad Berkman looked in New York.

                                            Just because people stopped seeing highlights doesn't mean he wasn't hitting great last year.
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                                            • Salmon Steak
                                              SBR MVP
                                              • 03-05-10
                                              • 2110

                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by Chimneyfish
                                              Come back from the dead? I guess being "dead" means "being traded to a baseball market that ESPN doesn't cover." We're talking about a guy coming off an All Star season. It's hardly comparable to how bad Berkman looked in New York.

                                              Just because people stopped seeing highlights doesn't mean he wasn't hitting great last year.
                                              Other people were bashing him man, not me. You are preaching to the saved. I'm a cardinals fan... world champs!
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                                              • big joe 1212
                                                SBR Posting Legend
                                                • 06-01-08
                                                • 19380

                                                #24
                                                He is injury prone now

                                                They paid too much for him

                                                His knee will go again
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                                                • BarkingToad
                                                  SBR Hall of Famer
                                                  • 08-31-08
                                                  • 5913

                                                  #25
                                                  So this is the Cardinals better use of their money by not signing Pujols? Giving some washed up player in his mid 30's over 12 million a year. Mozeliak likes to overpay marginal players. That will be like a dream lineup with him and Holliday.
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                                                  • EaglesPhan36
                                                    SBR Aristocracy
                                                    • 12-06-06
                                                    • 71662

                                                    #26
                                                    It's MLB. Everyone pays too much for everyone.
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                                                    • oiler
                                                      SBR Hall of Famer
                                                      • 06-06-09
                                                      • 6585

                                                      #27
                                                      never will replace pujols and hes injury prone
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                                                      • warriorfan707
                                                        SBR Posting Legend
                                                        • 03-29-08
                                                        • 13698

                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by EaglesPhan36
                                                        It's MLB. Everyone pays too much for everyone.
                                                        This.

                                                        Its all relative.
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                                                        • Chimneyfish
                                                          SBR MVP
                                                          • 09-30-10
                                                          • 1217

                                                          #29
                                                          Looks like I'm right on schedule for proving a point.
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                                                          • jjgold
                                                            SBR Aristocracy
                                                            • 07-20-05
                                                            • 388179

                                                            #30
                                                            He got off to a good start

                                                            Surprised me
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                                                            • InTheDrink
                                                              SBR Posting Legend
                                                              • 11-23-09
                                                              • 23983

                                                              #31
                                                              just one more thread where queenjd has embarrassed herself
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