Beltran to the Cardinals
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warriorfan707SBR Posting Legend
- 03-29-08
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#1Beltran to the CardinalsTags: None -
HoulihansTXBARRELED IN @ SBR!
- 02-12-09
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#2He is a bum...Comment -
jjgoldSBR Aristocracy
- 07-20-05
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#3He is better than he average MLB player
Good pickupComment -
Brock LandersSBR Aristocracy
- 06-30-08
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#5his best years were 5 or more years agoComment -
ChimneyfishSBR MVP
- 09-30-10
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#6He posted the highest OPS+ of career last year after being traded to the Giants (156).Comment -
KingJD31SBR Hall of Famer
- 11-04-11
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#8you know he put up 40+ homers one year rightComment -
HoulihansTXBARRELED IN @ SBR!
- 02-12-09
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#10I wonder what percentage of the season he will miss now that he has a new contract?
50% is my guessComment -
KingJD31SBR Hall of Famer
- 11-04-11
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#11.275 41 hr 116 rbi 38 doubles 127 runs in 2006 i say thats his best yearComment -
ChimneyfishSBR MVP
- 09-30-10
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#12Trying to judge a player entirely on a single stat category isn't going to be very telling. Most people these days now realize that things like on base percentages are nearly twice as important as things like slugging percentages. The raw HR stat doesn't tell you whether a player is costing his team by wasting a lot of outs. Plus, it's not adjusted for ballpark factors. The OPS+ stat accounts for both of those things.Comment -
KingJD31SBR Hall of Famer
- 11-04-11
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#13look at all the numbers i gave you above your gonna tell me ops is more important than all of that?Comment -
HoulihansTXBARRELED IN @ SBR!
- 02-12-09
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#14Chimney, you sound lik an intelligent guy, and astute fan of baseball. All the more puzzling as to how you do not know Beltran is a bum. HmmmmComment -
Dirty SanchezSBR Posting Legend
- 03-01-10
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#15The Beltran Experiment runs hot and cold.....this could be a good fit between Holiday and Berkman....I think it's a good pickup for SLComment -
ChimneyfishSBR MVP
- 09-30-10
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#16
2006: .275/.388/.594
2011: .300/.385/.525
When you adjust for league averages (to account for things like the pitching dominance in 2011) and ballpark factors (to account for things like AT&T Park suppressing home runs) then 2011 gets the edge over 2006 by 6 OPS+ points.
Even still, I wouldn't have any problem conceding that 2011 was only his second best year compared to 2006. The point is that he played very well last season, which is why he was an All Star and got MVP votes.Comment -
ChimneyfishSBR MVP
- 09-30-10
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#17Yes, absolutely. Stats like RBI's and especially runs scored are just about meaningless because they are influenced much more by factors such as a player's position in the lineup instead of the player's actual abilities.Comment -
warriorfan707SBR Posting Legend
- 03-29-08
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#18Beltran is no bum. He put on quite a show in a Giants Uniform in September.Comment -
warriorfan707SBR Posting Legend
- 03-29-08
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#19Done deal. 2 years, 25 million.Comment -
KingJD31SBR Hall of Famer
- 11-04-11
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#20truu yeah hes a diff. player now he doesnt play the outfield like he used to, and he doesnt have the pop but he shows glimpes but he can still give you 25 double 300avg hes still and good playerComment -
Salmon SteakSBR MVP
- 03-05-10
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#21Berkman came back from the dead with saint louis last season, so I don't see why Beltran could not do the same. With wainwright coming back they could have another solid year.Comment -
ChimneyfishSBR MVP
- 09-30-10
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#22Come back from the dead? I guess being "dead" means "being traded to a baseball market that ESPN doesn't cover." We're talking about a guy coming off an All Star season. It's hardly comparable to how bad Berkman looked in New York.
Just because people stopped seeing highlights doesn't mean he wasn't hitting great last year.Comment -
Salmon SteakSBR MVP
- 03-05-10
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#23Come back from the dead? I guess being "dead" means "being traded to a baseball market that ESPN doesn't cover." We're talking about a guy coming off an All Star season. It's hardly comparable to how bad Berkman looked in New York.
Just because people stopped seeing highlights doesn't mean he wasn't hitting great last year.Comment -
big joe 1212SBR Posting Legend
- 06-01-08
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#24He is injury prone now
They paid too much for him
His knee will go againComment -
BarkingToadSBR Hall of Famer
- 08-31-08
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#25So this is the Cardinals better use of their money by not signing Pujols? Giving some washed up player in his mid 30's over 12 million a year. Mozeliak likes to overpay marginal players. That will be like a dream lineup with him and Holliday.
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EaglesPhan36SBR Aristocracy
- 12-06-06
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#26It's MLB. Everyone pays too much for everyone.Comment -
oilerSBR Hall of Famer
- 06-06-09
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#27never will replace pujols and hes injury proneComment -
ChimneyfishSBR MVP
- 09-30-10
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#29Looks like I'm right on schedule for proving a point.Comment -
jjgoldSBR Aristocracy
- 07-20-05
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#30He got off to a good start
Surprised meComment -
InTheDrinkSBR Posting Legend
- 11-23-09
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#31just one more thread where queenjd has embarrassed herselfComment
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