At least the stock market has surged during Obama's term. Better than going negative during 8 years of Bush.
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King Mayan
SBR Posting Legend
09-22-10
21326
#3
No wonder you're fat KLC, your idol is limbaugh.
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RubberKettle
SBR Hall of Famer
12-28-09
6421
#4
Seems about right
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BroDog73
SBR Sharp
06-09-11
349
#5
I truly don't understand how anyone, whether you are democrat, republican, or whatever, can say this president has been good for this country? We need to stop living in the past! Yes, Bush sucked, but so does obama. He's fukking awful.
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mmaed
SBR MVP
11-25-11
1327
#6
I have a hard time figuring out if the current economy is Obamas fault or Bush's. I just don't know enough about economics. Maybe we are just fu*ked no matter what happens. I hope not.
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rkelly110
BARRELED IN @ SBR!
10-05-09
39691
#7
Here's a few clues if the economy is going to be bad, not that I'm an economic prof.
1. Low interest rates. We started this recession in the latter part of 2000. Dot Com bubble burst.
2. Going to war or getting involved in a skirmish. We have two wars going on. Double whammy.
3. Mass layoffs. Monkey see, monkey do. One company does it, they fall in line.
4. Not spending. (consumers) We fear for our jobs and save more, spend less.
Notice how the economy is picking up at the same time our troops are coming home?
Less layoffs means people don't fear for their jobs, spend more.
I've lived through a few recessions and these are the things I've noticed during that time.
When you start to see interest rates go up, we will be in good shape.
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rocky502
SBR Sharp
11-14-10
486
#8
I think one of the key things causing business leaders to sit on their piles of cash and not hire is the uncertainty this administration has created. Uncertainty on taxes, health care, regulations, just to name a few. Can you think of a successful business that has not passed a budget in almost three years? There is really only two things one can conclude about Obama: either he is in over his head, or he is just plain incompetent as an executive.
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crustyme
SBR Posting Legend
09-29-10
16896
#9
Originally posted by BroDog73
I truly don't understand how anyone, whether you are democrat, republican, or whatever, can say this president has been good for this country? We need to stop living in the past! Yes, Bush sucked, but so does obama. He's fukking awful.
are people really this ignorant or just limbaugh listeners?
dow march 2009: 6000
dow today: 12,000
up 100%
bush: lost over 4 million jobs dec 2007-dec 2008
obama: created over 2 million private sector jobs in past year
bush 2008: car sales lowest since 1991
obama 2009: saved auto industry with cash 4 clunkers program
bush: gm & chrysler bankrupt, ford in trouble
obama: gm #1 in sales again, chrysler #4. both hugely successful after obama bailouts. ford also received $5 billion in govt loans and benefited greatly from cash 4 clunkers.
bush: had bin laden trapped at tora bora, allowed him to escape so he could win reelection through fear mongering
obama: killed bin laden
bush: ignored 911 warnings from cia, too busy taking vacations. spent 40% of presidency on vacation
obama: prevented attacks cause he actually listens to intelligence
bush: invaded iraq on falsified evidence costing tax payers trillions and nearly 5000 us soldiers lives
obama: ended the war
bush: americans lost $7 trillion in personal wealth under this douche
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BroDog73
SBR Sharp
06-09-11
349
#10
Originally posted by crustyme
are people really this ignorant or just limbaugh listeners? dow march 2009: 6000 dow today: 12,000 up 100% bush: lost over 4 million jobs dec 2007-dec 2008 obama: created over 2 million private sector jobs in past year bush 2008: car sales lowest since 1991 obama 2009: saved auto industry with cash 4 clunkers program bush: gm & chrysler bankrupt, ford in trouble obama: gm #1 in sales again, chrysler #4. both hugely successful after obama bailouts. ford also received $5 billion in govt loans and benefited greatly from cash 4 clunkers. bush: had bin laden trapped at tora bora, allowed him to escape so he could win reelection through fear mongering obama: killed bin laden bush: ignored 911 warnings from cia, too busy taking vacations. spent 40% of presidency on vacation obama: prevented attacks cause he actually listens to intelligence bush: invaded iraq on falsified evidence costing tax payers trillions and nearly 5000 us soldiers lives obama: ended the war bush: americans lost $7 trillion in personal wealth under this douche
And here folks is your perfect example of the blind leading the blind. These are the people who were duped into "hope and change".
1/2 of your statements above sir are completely false. You really think cash for clunkers saved the auto industry? It shot used cars prices throught the roof, where they still are today, so only the new car buyers can afford cars now. I have 4 GM factories in my town. All of them have closed within the last 4 yrs. Is that success?
You truly think a president who has 45 million americans on food stamps, almost 20% of population on some type of government assistance, and hasn't passed a budget since he's been elected, is the most efficient president for this country??? Is so, you have been duped too my friend. It is this lack of intelligence that blindly followed this man with no experience whatsoever from the beginning! I'm not a republican, nor do I listen to limbaugh. I am a concerned, free american who cares deeply about my country, and am sick of watching this poor excuse of a president, embarrass and humiliate this great country!
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DwightShrute
SBR Aristocracy
01-17-09
103380
#11
Originally posted by crustyme
are people really this ignorant or just limbaugh listeners?
dow march 2009: 6000
dow today: 12,000
up 100%
bush: lost over 4 million jobs dec 2007-dec 2008
obama: created over 2 million private sector jobs in past year
bush 2008: car sales lowest since 1991
obama 2009: saved auto industry with cash 4 clunkers program
bush: gm & chrysler bankrupt, ford in trouble
obama: gm #1 in sales again, chrysler #4. both hugely successful after obama bailouts. ford also received $5 billion in govt loans and benefited greatly from cash 4 clunkers.
bush: had bin laden trapped at tora bora, allowed him to escape so he could win reelection through fear mongering
obama: killed bin laden
bush: ignored 911 warnings from cia, too busy taking vacations. spent 40% of presidency on vacation
obama: prevented attacks cause he actually listens to intelligence
bush: invaded iraq on falsified evidence costing tax payers trillions and nearly 5000 us soldiers lives
obama: ended the war
bush: americans lost $7 trillion in personal wealth under this douche
what a spin job
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crustyme
SBR Posting Legend
09-29-10
16896
#12
Originally posted by BroDog73
And here folks is your perfect example of the blind leading the blind. These are the people who were duped into "hope and change".
+2 mil jobs instead of -4 mil isn't change?
1/2 of your statements above sir are completely false.
which ones? instead of your typical neocon "1/2 statements are false" response, how about you name them. cause i have proof for each one.
You really think cash for clunkers saved the auto industry?
yes. and im not the only one as this independent study shows:
Cash for Clunkers Spurred More Than 500,000 Incremental New Vehicle Sales
The NVCS findings show that the Cash for Clunkers program created 542,000 incremental new car or truck sales, meaning that those auto buyers and lessees would not have existed without the incentive program.
if you disagree, i'd love to hear your theory on how auto sales went from 27 year lows in 2008 to sudden surges in 2009-11. for example, ford lost $20 billion from 2008-2009.5 then suddenly turned a profit for the first time in 5 years in the 3qt 2009. how was that possible without cash 4 clunkers?
It shot used cars prices throught the roof, where they still are today, so only the new car buyers can afford cars now.
used car sales are through the roof....
It looks like 2011 is shaping up to be a good year for used car sales, in spite of the dire predictions that there is no supply and used car prices are going to shoot through the roof but consumers should be concerned by an increasing use of mobile websites.
That doesn't help to explain the strong sales numbers that have been seen on both the new car and used car side. Some analysts are predicting that 2011 could end with new car sales of almost 14 million, which means used car sales could easily peak 40 million - and this at a time when the naysayers have been claiming that used car sales are suffering from a supply problem.
i searched autotrader.com for used cars priced $5000 & less (which i consider affordable) and found over 90,000. and i havent even searched craigslist or cars.com.
I have 4 GM factories in my town. All of them have closed within the last 4 yrs. Is that success?
which plants? let me guess, they built oldsmobile, saturn or pontiac... brands gm shuttered due to lack of sales.
gm went from bankruptcy to #1 in sales in the us and the world. if that's not success, i'd love to hear what your idea of success is?
You truly think a president who has 45 million americans on food stamps, almost 20% of population on some type of government assistance, and hasn't passed a budget since he's been elected, is the most efficient president for this country???
45 million is 14.9% of the us population, not 20%. which isn't surprising since it's close to the "real" unemployment numbers of 11%. there were over 30 million on food stamps in dec 2008. when your predecessor loses 4 million jobs in just 1 year, it shows how dire the economic situation was. yet obama has managed to create over 2 million jobs in the past year.
Is so, you have been duped too my friend. It is this lack of intelligence that blindly followed this man with no experience whatsoever from the beginning! I'm not a republican, nor do I listen to limbaugh. I am a concerned, free american who cares deeply about my country, and am sick of watching this poor excuse of a president, embarrass and humiliate this great country!
sure, you're not a neocon and don't listen to limbaugh.
i'm not the one duped. you are.
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BroDog73
SBR Sharp
06-09-11
349
#13
You truly are an idiot!
You took your article, which specifically says "predicted used car prices are going to shoot through the roof" and translated it into "used car sales are through the roof.
45 million americans are on food stamps today 20% of americans get government assistance of some kind
2 different things. Learn to read and comprehend my friend instead of spinning facts to fit your agenda!
I am not saying Bush didn't suck, because he did in many areas. I voted for obama in 08. My point is this president is just as bad, if not worse.
Right out of Obama's mouth, "If I can't fix the economy in 3 years, I'm a one-term president". Only 1 of many unfulfilled promises!
I really feel sorry for you!
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rkelly110
BARRELED IN @ SBR!
10-05-09
39691
#14
Thanks for the info crusty. On a more personal level, I still haven't recovered from Bush.
With the Repub's being total anti-American, rich loving, Obama hating idiots, things won't change.
IMO, we need Obama out, if this country is going to get back on track. Just because his
presence as president is hindering the normal everyday process on capital hill.
The Repub's flip flop as soon as Obama proposes their own plans. Any and all attempts to
to make Obama look the slightest bit good, will be thwarted.
Everyone sees the shit the Repub's are doing. Do the Repub's think this is going to help them
get re elected and win a presidency? NOT!
I hope this economy takes off, just to show the Repub's had nothing to do with it.
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jjgold
SBR Aristocracy
07-20-05
388179
#15
Obama is the worst Pres of all times
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crustyme
SBR Posting Legend
09-29-10
16896
#16
Originally posted by BroDog73
You truly are an idiot!
You took your article, which specifically says "predicted used car prices are going to shoot through the roof" and translated it into "used car sales are through the roof.
Some analysts are predicting that 2011 could end with new car sales of almost 14 million, which means used car sales could easily peak 40 million - and this at a time when the naysayers have been claiming that used car sales are suffering from a supply problem.
reading is fundamental.
45 million americans are on food stamps today 20% of americans get government assistance of some kind
there were 30 million living in poverty in 2000, 37 million in 2005. there will always be people needing government assistance.
it's nothing new.
2 different things. Learn to read and comprehend my friend instead of spinning facts to fit your agenda!
why haven't you answered my questions?
which of my statements are "false"?
which plants were closed?
I am not saying Bush didn't suck, because he did in many areas. I voted for obama in 08. My point is this president is just as bad, if not worse.
you voted for obama? sure you did.... and im voting for ron paul.
Right out of Obama's mouth, "If I can't fix the economy in 3 years, I'm a one-term president". Only 1 of many unfulfilled promises!
I really feel sorry for you!
dow up 100%
gm, chrysler, ford... from bankruptcy to profitability
gdp up 2.6%
unemployment claims down to lowest in 3 years
685,000 homes built last month... highest in nearly 2 years
"none so blind as those that will not see"
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Balco10
SBR Hall of Famer
09-11-10
5478
#17
Funny thing is that Obama and his family were deep into debt and almost had to foreclose on their home. Their income was around 200k and owed about 200k on their property, but making payments soon after they hear their book deal was going through. They were actually two month behind payments, then he struck rich by getting hooked up with a freind to become a politician.
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Balco10
SBR Hall of Famer
09-11-10
5478
#18
They missed 2 payments and then got lucky on their riches...Obama has no clue to manage money.
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King Mayan
SBR Posting Legend
09-22-10
21326
#19
There's a reason why right wing propaganda is a multi-billion industry, dumbfukks believe anything THEY WANT to hear...
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Balco10
SBR Hall of Famer
09-11-10
5478
#20
Left wing idiots are proven! NRP, MSNBC, CNN,NBC, ABC, NBC, and bloomberb and are left wing loons who only attack and can't be fair and balanced!