D'antoni thinking NBA Title--radio link included

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Goat, look back at the pistons heat playoff battles. Rip guarded Dwayne wade every single game.

lol ZR Wade destroyed us a few of those years and actually they had 3 guys rotating on Wade in Taysean Billups and Rip and remember we had Big Ben (4 time dpoy) and Rasheed down low for help. On top of all that, Rip was in his prime. Wade is in his prime right now. I like Rip but he's done- he's good for 10 points a game but is a liability on def.

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lol ZR Wade destroyed us a few of those years and actually they had 3 guys rotating on Wade in Taysean Billups and Rip and remember we had Big Ben (4 time dpoy) and Rasheed down low for help. On top of all that, Rip was in his prime. Wade is in his prime right now. I like Rip but he's done- he's good for 9 points a game but is a liability on def.

I know he's not the best defender, I was just making the point he has experience guarding wade in big games. Bogans is a great defender but his offense was a giant hole. I hope rip has some left because he really hasn't played significant minutes in over a full year. I would of rather we got Richardson or Crawford for the record, but let's see how rip does on a championship contender before you write him off.

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Brewers a much better match up too but he's just a slasher on offense. At least rip can hit a 3.

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I would of rather we got Richardson or Crawford for the record, but let's see how rip does on a championship contender before you write him off.

yes those pickups would have definitely been better. Both those guys, particularly Crawford, can create their own shot at any time.

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yes those pickups would have definitely been better. Both those guys, particularly Crawford, can create their own shot at any time.

Crawford wanted more money at the beginning of free agency, then he ended up signing for the same exception the bulls would have given him

J rich was just out of the price range.

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They played an entire season with turiaf at center. Adding a defensive monster like Tyson makes them contenders right now, although the back court is a major concern. Not that it matter much when the ball will run through Carmelo and amare anyway.

The guy has had one good season his entire pro career and people acting like he will be some defensive superstar. The guy was in a contract year on a well coached, highly motivated team.

Amare still having back problem, and melo will still be the same chucker playing one side of the court. He will sometimes score a lot of points but hurt his team in the process doing nothing on the other end. I really think the speed and altheticism of a team like Indiana would take this current team in a seven game series. Who is mike bibby or Landry fields going to guard? I actually read some knick fans talking up Imam Shumpert like he will be the next big pg for NY. Pretty sad to hang hopes on this kid. Out of money could not even get jj barea or crawford to come to town. A flawed team that will quickly be dispatched from playoffs same as last year.

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The guy has had one good season his entire pro career and people acting like he will be some defensive superstar. The guy was in a contract year on a well coached, highly motivated team. Amare still having back problem, and melo will still be the same chucker playing one side of the court. He will sometimes score a lot of points but hurt his team in the process doing nothing on the other end. I really think the speed and altheticism of a team like Indiana would take this current team in a seven game series. Who is mike bibby or Landry fields going to guard? I actually read some knick fans talking up Imam Shumpert like he will be the next big pg for NY. Pretty sad to hang hopes on this kid. Out of money could not even get jj barea or crawford to come to town. A flawed team that will quickly be dispatched from playoffs same as last year.

agreed about chandler. had 1 good season. had chris paul before that. chandler is nothing special. guys like that lose their drive to win after they get 1 ring. he is satisfied with his 1 ring and so are most.

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Meh. I think the fact that he's 7'1, a shot blocker, and a rebounder is enough. All they needed was some size, they got it. They can beat miami now, they couldnt with turiaf and shawne williams playing down low with amare. If miami has to go through the knicks and the bulls, there going to lose one of those series. count on it.

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Meh. I think the fact that he's 7'1, a shot blocker, and a rebounder is enough. All they needed was some size, they got it. They can beat miami now, they couldnt with turiaf and shawne williams playing down low with amare. If miami has to go through the knicks and the bulls, there going to lose one of those series. count on it.

can't wait til you stack up those points. i'm almost positive you will change your mind as you watch the season unfold. coaches like dantoni don't win rings bro. and the west is most likely not winning this year.

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can't wait til you stack up those points. i'm almost positive you will change your mind as you watch the season unfold. coaches like dantoni don't win rings bro. and the west is most likely not winning this year.

I just like the addition of chandler in the middle, i know its still run n gun score points but having a big man who is completely commited to defense will be huge i think. And the heat wont get by the bulls again (assuming every stays healthy) . I agree with you on the west though, OKC could be so good if they had a big that can score. Although i will say im very curious to see how the clippers shape up.

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Disagree. Battier was a smart addition to an already extremely talented team. Chalmers and Jones are one year more experienced, Bosh has bulked up and really embraced the need to be a more physical presence in the paint, Haslem is healthy, and overall the team is past the awkward period they had to start the season last year where expectations were through the roof and team chemistry was at its lowest point.

This Heat team is a much better team than what they had to start the year in 2010, and the small amount of turnover in roster moves will serve them better than if they had tried to make a drastic addition to the team.

Battier is a pointless addition. They needed a point guard and a center, so they add a backup small forward who will take minutes away from jones. Battier isn't a great 3 point shooter, he's still a good defender but he's not going to lock anybody down. Bosh is the softest player in the league, adding 20 pounds doesn't suddenly make you tough. He's a face up player. That won't change.

I wasn't talking about them at the beginning of the year, haslem was healthy in the playoffs. Like I said though, no reason to keep arguing. I just missed your post earlier so wanted to respond.

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Even if D'Antoni fires himself they don't have a shot.

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Addition of baron is solid. Only out 4 weeks instead of reported 10, no doubt he'll be motivated. 14 and 7 last year with a bad clippers team and obviously terrible cavs team. Great offseason by the Knicks with the little cap space they had

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Addition of baron is solid. Only out 4 weeks instead of reported 10, no doubt he'll be motivated. 14 and 7 last year with a bad clippers team and obviously terrible cavs team. Great offseason by the Knicks with the little cap space they had

Really? Seriously?

Screams desperation my friend, and i don't know anyone who is buying that the "lakers and heat were calling" not one team claimed this guy off waivers. That says A lot. Guy has a serious back injury facing a short season of multiple back to backs, has a history of being hurt, out of shape and overweight, shoots first, plays no defense and whines A LOT. assuming he gets healthy how and when will he be in playing shape? What exactly does he bring to the knicks? Had great games last season as a cav against none other than the no defense playing Knicks. Knicks could have done a lot better but even Marice Evens turned down this team to re up with the wizards.... Even Amare still has back problems....What are they going to do for a bench?

Knicks one turned ankle away from the lottery.

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Really? Seriously?

Screams desperation my friend, and i don't know anyone who is buying that the "lakers and heat were calling" not one team claimed this guy off waivers. That says A lot. Guy has a serious back injury facing a short season of multiple back to backs, has a history of being hurt, out of shape and overweight, shoots first, plays no defense and whines A LOT. assuming he gets healthy how and when will he be in playing shape? What exactly does he bring to the knicks? Had great games last season as a cav against none other than the no defense playing Knicks. Knicks could have done a lot better but even Marice Evens turned down this team to re up with the wizards.... Even Amare still has back problems....What are they going to do for a bench?

Knicks one turned ankle away from the lottery.

Are you joking? Baron is one of the best big game players in the league. Got him for the league minimum, 17 PER rating, and that's an unmotivated baron. You've seen what he can do when he's motivated, right? He does not have a serious back issue. He'll be back in 4 weeks or less, according to bucher. Knicks could have not done better for the league minimum. Amare is healthy. Did you see shumpert against the nets? Looks like a legitimate 2 guard. Knicks match up favorably to the heat. Tyson is a 7'1 rebounder and shot blocker, and baron effectively replaces Chauncey.

It seems you only show up when someone talks about the Knicks, I'm assuming when they get the 2 seed and go to the ECF you'll be here to eat crow right? Whether you like it or not, obviously you don't, there a legitimate contender in the east. Get your popcorn ready.

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I am not trying to be a dick and yes i do bust on the knicks because they make it so easy.

I like the addition of chandler, but they overpaid. He has been cosidered an underachiever until he had a great year with dallas with a great team and great coach in a contract year. So what Chandler will show night in and out for NY? Has his money a ring and a coach and team that may let him regress.

Knicks currently have one defender, a questionable defender. if they cannot get a team to bite on the run and gun offense only gameplan they lose. over and over again they lose. they gave up 112 to the nets last year, a team that averaged in the mid 80's.... how does chandler or davis,bibby change that? D'antoni is gone after this year after they get raped in the playoffs again and then what? This roster is deeply flawed chandler or mike woodson will not fix it.

[zsr]

Were just going to have to agree to disagree. The addition of Tyson is perfect for this team. He doesn't care about offense, he's always averaged over a block a game and around 10 boards. They did over pay but they had too, they can't win a title with turiaf and shawne williams playing center. They can with Tyson. Bibby isn't going to play big minutes. like I said, they match up favorably with Miami, Boston has regressed obviously, Orlando and Atlanta aren't contenders. They can win the east.

The season starts in less then a week, so there's no reason to get in a pissing match. Neither of us are changing our opinions so let's wait and see.

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Who will defend wade or james? I think those guys like the pace the knicks set just being offense but knicks have no one to guard either of them. no chance in the playoffs againts miami... look at what a broken down celtics team did to them in the playoffs............ pissing match? just logic pal. Knicks have very little defense and a roster full of people who get hurt. That is guaranteed to win nothing, and one ankle turn away from the lottery. Melo will score 45 in a game that means nothing and will lose anyway. That is melo in the nba playoffs

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Chancey and amare were hurt in the playoff series. Boston was missing only Shaq. That's just my point, they couldnt win with there bigs last year, they can this year. The knicks will be much better then you think they are and they can/will beat Miami in a 7 game series.

Come back to this thread in April or May when the Knicks have the 2 seed. Watch.

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Indiana will rip this team a new one every time they play, forget about miami

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amare is still hurt and billups is gone. davis only brings bad shots and a worse attitude. not one team wanted this fool........

[zsr]

amare is still hurt and billups is gone. davis only brings bad shots and a worse attitude. not one team wanted this fool........

Amare is healthy and baron replaces Chauncey. Miami wanted him. Lakers had little interest. Like I said, watch.

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miami claimed him off waivers?

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miami claimed him off waivers?

Lol. Why would anyone claim him off waivers? Everyone knew he would sign for the league minimum. I tend to believe every NBA insider more then some guy on a forum.

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Teams that value what he brings to the table would jump on it with a good bid assuming he had something left.
And they didn't, not one.

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Use, "logic", as you say. No one is going to claim a guy that tells everyone he's out 3 months.

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Chancey and amare were hurt in the playoff series. Boston was missing only Shaq. That's just my point, they couldnt win with there bigs last year, they can this year. The knicks will be much better then you think they are and they can/will beat Miami in a 7 game series. Come back to this thread in April or May when the Knicks have the 2 seed. Watch.

Who will have the 1 seed?

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you have refuted nothing i originally said..


I like the addition of chandler, but they overpaid. He has been cosidered an underachiever until he had a great year with dallas with a great team and great coach in a contract year. So what Chandler will show night in and out for NY? Has his money a ring and a coach and team that may let him regress.

Knicks currently have one defender, a questionable defender. if they cannot get a team to bite on the run and gun offense only gameplan they lose. over and over again they lose. they gave up 112 to the nets last year, a team that averaged in the mid 80's.... how does chandler or davis,bibby change that? D'antoni is gone after this year after they get raped in the playoffs again and then what? This roster is deeply flawed chandler or mike woodson will not fix it.

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Who will have the 1 seed?

Miami or Chicago. Top of the east will be a crap shoot with this weird schedule but i dont think theres any debate on top 3.

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Use, "logic", as you say. No one is going to claim a guy that tells everyone he's out 3 months.

Do they go by what the player and his agent say or by what their high paid scouts say...?

Dude it's a lie not one team wanted Davis, not one. Knicks out of money and desperate.

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you have refuted nothing i originally said..


I like the addition of chandler, but they overpaid. He has been cosidered an underachiever until he had a great year with dallas with a great team and great coach in a contract year. So what Chandler will show night in and out for NY? Has his money a ring and a coach and team that may let him regress.

Knicks currently have one defender, a questionable defender. if they cannot get a team to bite on the run and gun offense only gameplan they lose. over and over again they lose. they gave up 112 to the nets last year, a team that averaged in the mid 80's.... how does chandler or davis,bibby change that? D'antoni is gone after this year after they get raped in the playoffs again and then what? This roster is deeply flawed chandler or mike woodson will not fix it.

The roster is not deeply flawed. They have the best front court in basketball.

Tyson has been a consistent shot blocker and rebounder his entire career besides chicago, look at the numbers. Baron has always lit it up in the garden. Bibby wont play more then 10-15 minutes a night. Chandler's size in the middle completely changes everything. you realize they played with an undersized turiaf last year, right?

I see no reason to keep going back and forth with you, you can have the last word. Ill be laughing last when they beat miami in a 7 game series.

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Best of luck pal. not sure who on the knicks will guard anyone on the heat Yes, knicks survive multiple back to backs, make the playoffs and somehow beat the heat. Just like they could not get one game against the c's last year. They will magicially beat and defend the heat with D'antoni as coach with this broken down scrub roster. best of luck

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Wait and see.

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Wait and see.

Great basketball argument..............sadly, used to this with Knick fans. Yes, wait n see for obvious failure. 2 wins the most assuming they make the playoffs. Amare still hurt, no bench no defense........Shumpert?? Is that seriously an argument? LOL No chance. No Chance.

[zsr]

Great basketball argument..............sadly, used to this with Knick fans. Yes, wait n see for obvious failure. 2 wins the most assuming they make the playoffs. Amare still hurt, no bench no defense........Shumpert?? Is that seriously an argument? LOL No chance. No Chance.

Amare is healthy, shumpert is a legitimate 2 guard.

Now I'm done arguing. Like I said, I'll get the last laugh when they beat Miami in the playoffs.