It has been confirmed here that Buehrle has agreed to terms with Florida Marlins at 4 yrs 58m deal with Marlins...
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why are the marlins going all in like this? any particular reason they decided to pick up all of these players at this time?Comment -
He's nothing special.Comment -
New stadium, trying to fill seats would be my guess.Comment -
Not bad pickup he will pitch well in that leagueComment -
they have a new windfall of money because the tax payers paid for the stadium. in the previous stadium agreement, the owner didn't get money from concession among other things.
also the owner isn't concerned about overpaying the players and racking up a ton of bad contracts because he will be trying the sell the team in the next few years, and most of the people in the front office signing all of these deals won't be there when shit goes really bad and the team is stuck with all this bad salary.Comment -
Next up Prince??Comment -
he can pitch great at times, but at other times he gives up hits left and right.
Anyway, if he can get that kind of money from Miami, good for him, he wasn't getting that from anyone elseComment -
Lefties always good to have, good moveComment -
Soft tosser, but Ozzies favorite player.Comment -
Miami is gambling on putting 3 million fans or more in the seats.....it's surprising that MLB is letting this go on, but Selig is such an idiot he probably doesn't realize it. Marlin fans are a joke, and the owners depending on them to fill the seats is hilarious. When they start bumping up against the Phillies and Braves we'll see how the fans flock to the stadium. This story won't end wellComment -
Nobody is saying he's a cy young contender but he's a pretty damn good pitcher
Career 161-119, 3.83 era, 1.28 whip, in the AL in a hitter's park
11 consecutive seasons of 200+ innings
11 consecutive seasons of double digit wins
Only one losing season in his career (12-13)
No-hitter
Perfect Game
MLB record of 45 consecutive batters retired
Currently 3 consecutive gold gloves
World Series winner where he went 2-0 with a CG + 1 save in those playoffs
4 time all-star including starter in '05
Just last year he had a stretch of 18 consecutive quality starts
Plus intangibles like being one of the best clubhouse guys in baseball, a fan-favorite, and working faster than any other pitcher in the game which keeps his defense on their toesComment -
another great move by the marlins. Wont be suprise if they get prince next.Comment -
BIG SIGNING!!
rotation is stacked now and is only going to gte better within the next 2 weeks
josh johnson
ricky nolasco
annibal sanchez
mark buerhle
and then pick of the litter of the remaining bums of volstad/sanabia/leblanc and hand but
gio gonzalez will soon be filling in this spotComment -
Buerhrle at worst is a monster innings eater. At worst. The ape that said he was "nothing special" is a tool box. No one has ever claimed he's Roy Halladay.
Hate hate hate.
Marlins finally bulk up payroll and people stil complain.Comment -
other than the number of innings that stuff bob loblaw posted is irrelevant to his ability as a pitcher.Comment -
Buehrle is now gas can material. What a horrible price to pay for a below average starterComment -
perfect games and no hitters are statical anomalies mostly surrounding luck. however, a pitcher that have a high strikeout rate have a better chance to get a no hitter because there will be less balls in play. the general consensus is that once a ball is in play specifically where it goes is out of control of the pitcher.
all star and post season awards are mostly for fans. sadly they have an impact on the hall of fame. these are voted on so they are not objective in learning about a players ability on the field.
wins is a team stat. the less the runs your team scores during your pitching the lower your chance of getting a win.
stats that do matter are k/9, hr/9, walks/9, gound ball rate. a ground ball generates an out at a much higher percentage than a ball hit in the air.
i am not knocking buehrle. i thought he was the best pitcher available consider all the factors. he was suppose to go considerable cheaper than c.j. wilson and much less risky a pitcher. i do think the marlins overpaid for him considering how similar wilson went for. the number of years could be troubling also.Comment -
We're on different pages here. I agree that Wins is an overrated stat season to season. But 11 straight years of double digit wins, 161 overall, and 42 games over .500 should not be overlooked. Clearly the guy knows how to win.
An out is an out. Why is ground ball % a relevant stat? Jered Weaver had the lowest in baseball last year and he was a cy young contender. Jake Westbrook had the highest and he wasn't far above gas can material.
Talking about something for the fans, the strikeout. That's exactly why Buehrle is so underrated. He doesn't blow people away so he's an afterthought. Brandon Morrow has a major league best K/9 rate over the last 3 years. How has that worked out for him?
Tell Gio Gonzalez and all the teams trying to trade for him right now that his major league worst BB/9 the last 2 years is more relevant than the end of the game results. They will disagree.
I'm rambling and not going to go through every stat but what I'm trying to say is I believe the end results are far more relevant than the rate a pitcher gives up a groundball, flyball, etc. One fluke year can lead to deceiving results. But Mark Buehrle has been doing it for more then a decade. Nothing deceiving or flukey about his results and he should be even better with his move to the NL.Comment -
They could have used the money on something other than this guy imo.Comment -
double digit wins isn't that many if you are starting 35 games a year. you can be a decent pitcher and on a bad team to get 10 or 11 wins.
ground ball rate is very relevant. the more ground balls a guy get a batter to hit the more likely an out will be produced. if a guy can have a good ground ball rate then they don't need to have as many strikeouts. generally to be a good pitcher you need to produce one or the other.
morrow either gave up a bunch of HRs or walked a bunch or both. or could have been a season where batters just hit a bunch of balls in play at an abnormal percentage.
gm make mistakes all the time. i mean the marlins just signed heath bell for 3 years. so it would be no surprise that if gio gonzales goes to another ball park he will struggle. the A's have a pitcher friendly park. as desperate as most gms get you would think most of those west coast club with the pitcher friendly parks would flip pitchers all the time.Comment -
And yet Buehrle and CC are the only active pitchers who have done it for 10+ years.
It's irrelevant if you can't keep guys from crossing the plate. Top 10 GB % over the last 3 years...Hudson, Lowe, Westbrook, Cook, Masterson, Carmona, Pineiro, Marquis, Romero, Garcia. A few pretty good names on that last like Hudson and Romero. I consider Garcia and Masterson good and the other 6 to be average at best. So where has their high groundball rate gotten them?
Last 3 years I said. He's #1 in baseball. And yet, average results. Harden is #3 last 3 years. He's been brutal.
That's why home/road splits exist. 3.62 and 3.92 era's on the road for him last 2 years. He was more than 2 runs better on the road 3 years ago. Not bad at all considering most pitchers are more comfortable at home regardless of ballpark. As far as Heath Bell goes, he's been nasty away from Petco. 2.88 era last year, 1.59 the year before (better than home).Comment -
not like he has a 90 mph fastball thoughComment -
the talk in this thread is complete bulshit by people who know nothing about baseballComment -
i looked it up morrow has been bad because he walks 3.5 batters per nine gives up over a home run per nine. so no wonder he has been bad. both of those are terrible. he also didn't have the highest strikeout rate this year.
and the guys that you mentioned about ground ball rate don't strike anyone out.
you are trying to look at each item individually when they are all related for a pitchers success. if you get a pitcher with all of these attributes you will have the best pitcher in baseball.Comment -
stats that do matter are k/9, hr/9, walks/9, gound ball rate. a ground ball generates an out at a much higher percentage than a ball hit in the air.
While a ground ball rate is important, this is not why. in fact it is 100% wrong.
groundballs actually are more likely to be hits (yield a higher BABIP). Yet fly balls are more like to be extra base hits (higher ISO).
But the main factor is that fly balls tend to end up as homeruns at around a 10% clip.
Weaver, of course, takes great advantage of his park which severely depressed his home run rate. last year he allowed just .48 HR/9 at home yet 1.02 in the road and his carrer its .79 at home and 1.13 on the road.Comment -
i was including line drives as balls hit in the air not just fly balls.Comment -
We're not talking about the best pitcher in baseball here. We're talking about Buehrle. The fact that he's not among the leaders in k/9 or gb% or hr/9 and yet has had the success he has had shows that the stats you said are relevant aren't necessarily correlated to success. They absolutely can be correlated and a lot of times are but it's not the be all end all to success. I guess I just don't get how you can dismiss a decade of good results because he's not near the top in these stats. He knows how to pitch. He locates well, keeps the hitters off balance, and doesn't let them get the meat of the bat on the ball. That's where his success comes. Not from how many strikeouts or groundballs he gets. He just gets outs. Over the last 11 seasons he's averaged 14 wins and a 3.86 era. In a hitter's park and a hitter's league, these numbers may not be elite, but anyway you slice it he has been very successful for a very long time. You can try to tell me those numbers are irrelevant to his abilities as a pitcher but I aint buying it.Comment -
Buerle had a horrible year this season in Chicago. Why on Earth would Miami sign him? They have been in the market for players like Pujols and Reyes for god's sake. Buerle starting is going to be a good fade in 2012. He's fading away and this move will hurt Miami in the longrun.Comment
