OREGON should be in the title game

[Greekster]

I want a playoff.

[will2survive]

I picked Oregon at 13/1 at the beginning of the season to Win the National Championship Game. If they somehow find a way in there, they'll win easily. (especially against LSU and Alabama)

[BigDofBA]

Losing to Tech doesn't ruin my argument. OU had three starters out that game.

OU has he best resume of the one loss teams.

Oregon has a better loss but shouldn't you go off of who you have beaten and not who you lost to??? OU has a lot more quality wins than Oregon and if they beat Okie State that would trump Oregon's win over Stanford.

If you guys want to put Oregon in just because their loss was "better", why not just put Houston in the title game since hey have no losses?

Oregon has one win over a team that is currently ranked.

OU has beaten Mizzou, Texas, Florida State, A&M, and K-State. If we beat Baylor and Okie St., we would have wins over 7 teams that were ranked at some point this season.

If Oregon and Bama win out, they will have 3 and 3 respectively.

If Western Kentucky would have gone 11-1 with a loss to LSU should they have gotten in since hey had the best loss of the one loss teams?

[milwaukee mike]

bigd i see your point, but i don't think i want to put oregon in because their loss was better.
i want oregon in the title game because at this point they are playing better (and are more fun to watch) than any other college team.

of course a playoff system would be best. but without it, if you lose a game undermanned in the first week and then destroy everyone after that why should you be put below those that lost at the end of the season?

i don't think any other team in the country would've beaten stanford last weekend by more than 20 points AT STANFORD.

[milwaukee mike]

Losing to Tech doesn't ruin my argument. OU had three starters out that game.

OU has he best resume of the one loss teams.

Oregon has a better loss but shouldn't you go off of who you have beaten and not who you lost to??? OU has a lot more quality wins than Oregon and if they beat Okie State that would trump Oregon's win over Stanford.

If you guys want to put Oregon in just because their loss was "better", why not just put Houston in the title game since hey have no losses?

Oregon has one win over a team that is currently ranked.

OU has beaten Mizzou, Texas, Florida State, A&M, and K-State. If we beat Baylor and Okie St., we would have wins over 7 teams that were ranked at some point this season.

If Oregon and Bama win out, they will have 3 and 3 respectively.

If Western Kentucky would have gone 11-1 with a loss to LSU should they have gotten in since hey had the best loss of the one loss teams?

um sorry but your numbers are off

if oregon wins out they will have beaten:
stanford
arizona st
usc
washington (ranked week 8)

and lost to lsu

so oregon will have played 5 teams (and beaten 4) ranked at some point vs oklahoma's 7. not as lopsided as the 3-7 you are trying to argue...

[Brian891]

well said mike. hopefully osu wins and makes it moot though, as they are super fun to watch right now also. lsu isnt out of the woods yet. arkansas always plays them tough. The argument made for oklahoma obviously has a touch of homer attitude to it. ou had 3 starters out. so what? they had their qb. lsu is undefeated and has been missing starters all year except for bama. and ou got beat down by an average team. they blew their chance.

[JAKEPEAVY21]

i was saying if oregon makes it to the BCS (not just natl championship) i get oregon as a pick em against whoever they play.
not sure i can take another 1000 pts of action if they make the championship game, i already have 1000 pending if that happens with ouman.

i am willing to go 500 though on oregon at a pick em if they make the championship OR i can go up to 1000 on oregon at a pick em if they make ANY bcs game (your choice).

I'd be interested only if Oregon makes the Nat Champ for 500..if Oregon doesn't make Nat Champ then no wager obv..none of this 12 points/day stuff, loser pays 500 lump sum within 24 hours of game ending..If you agree to terms confirm in this thread

[Glitch]

to me theres only 4 teams that should even be in this discussion right now:

1. LSU
2. Alabama
3. Oklahoma State
4. Oklahoma (despite their one ugly loss)

[JAKEPEAVY21]

to me theres only 4 teams that should even be in this discussion right now:

1. LSU
2. Alabama
3. Oklahoma State
4. Oklahoma (despite their one ugly loss)

I think Oregon has a right to be on that list

[milwaukee mike]

I'd be interested only if Oregon makes the Nat Champ for 500..if Oregon doesn't make Nat Champ then no wager obv..none of this 12 points/day stuff, loser pays 500 lump sum within 24 hours of game ending..If you agree to terms confirm in this thread

ok we ONLY have action if oregon is in the bcs championship, and if that happens then i have oregon pk and you have the opponent pk for 500 to win 500 payable immediately.

confirmed and good luck, i don't think we will have action but i hope we do

[mh217]

oregon is the best team right now and can beat anyone...the loss to lsu was a fluke..couple of bad turnovers and the game got away from them..season opener..shit happens...they have been lights out since and will easily beat anyone now.

[BigDofBA]

um sorry but your numbers are off

if oregon wins out they will have beaten:
stanford
arizona st
usc
washington (ranked week 8)

and lost to lsu

so oregon will have played 5 teams (and beaten 4) ranked at some point vs oklahoma's 7. not as lopsided as the 3-7 you are trying to argue...

I said beaten. Playing a ranked team and losing doesn't count. Notice how I didn't include Texas Tech when talking about OU? They were ranked at one point. That means OU has actually played 8 teams that were ranked at some point, not 7 like I was arguing.

So instead of beating 3 ranked teams it will be 4. Sorry, I forgot Washington was ever ranked. Were they?

Regardless, Oklahoma has the tougher schedule. Do you really want to see Oregon/LSU again?

As far as Bama and Oregon go, if it comes down to those two, I do think Oregon should get in because they have better wins than Bama.

Should we judge a team on one loss or the number of quality teams they have beaten?? There is a reason we don't include Boise and Houston in the disucssion. Why doesn't that reason apply here?

LSU won the title in 2003 despite losing at home to a .500 team.

[milwaukee mike]

I said beaten. Playing a ranked team and losing doesn't count. Notice how I didn't include Texas Tech when talking about OU? They were ranked at one point. That means OU has actually played 8 teams that were ranked at some point, not 7 like I was arguing.

So instead of beating 3 ranked teams it will be 4. Sorry, I forgot Washington was ever ranked. Were they?

Regardless, Oklahoma has the tougher schedule. Do you really want to see Oregon/LSU again?

As far as Bama and Oregon go, if it comes down to those two, I do think Oregon should get in because they have better wins than Bama.

Should we judge a team on one loss or the number of quality teams they have beaten?? There is a reason we don't include Boise and Houston in the disucssion. Why doesn't that reason apply here?

LSU won the title in 2003 despite losing at home to a .500 team.

yes washington was ranked i even posted that it was week 8, all polls - ap, coaches, bcs.

all decent points here which is why college football without a playoff is such a screwed up system. so many people here arguing that the nba is a flawed product but hardly anyone mentioning one of the nation's biggest sports doesn't even have a true and fair championship. teams like houston can win every game by 60 points and not even have a chance to be called champion, that is pretty messed up.

[face]

bama lsu game again would piss people off might happen though, and i would like it. but ok state vs. lsu would be more fun. usc might beat oregon.

[BigDofBA]

yes washington was ranked i even posted that it was week 8, all polls - ap, coaches, bcs.

all decent points here which is why college football without a playoff is such a screwed up system. so many people here arguing that the nba is a flawed product but hardly anyone mentioning one of the nation's biggest sports doesn't even have a true and fair championship. teams like houston can win every game by 60 points and not even have a chance to be called champion, that is pretty messed up.

Agreed.

I feel like this is an average team by Stoop's standards but our resume is about as good as anyone's provided we win out.

Ironically, I feel like OU matches up better with LSU than they do with Oregon.

I also feel like Bama is overrated. They shouldn't just get the nod over Oregon because they are in the SEC.

Remember when Bama was supposed to be great and then Utah stomped them in the Sugar?

A few years ago people wanted an Ohio State/Michigan rematch in the title game. Both teams got destroyed in their bowl games.

LSU is the best team. After that, there are about 5 teams worthy of a shot.

If OU gets left out I'll live with it. We have benefited from this junk system in the past.

[The Seer]

Oregon would beat Alabama and probably beat LSU if a rematch occurs

These teams are 10 times better than Auburn was last year, we saw how that turned out.

[jjgold]

Oregon outplayed LSU early in year
All these teams so tough and so close in talent

[milwaukee mike]

These teams are 10 times better than Auburn was last year, we saw how that turned out.

yeah auburn won on a last second field goal in a terrific game.
10 times better than cam newton?

[Emily_Haines]

Mike, I like Houston

It will be crime if they are excluded.

[Muscles]

Let's not forget Oklahoma State either here...I believe that Alabama definitely shouldn't be in the national championship unless LSU and Oklahoma State both lose. Of course Bama would have to win their title game.

[milwaukee mike]

Let's not forget Oklahoma State either here...I believe that Alabama definitely shouldn't be in the national championship unless LSU and Oklahoma State both lose. Of course Bama would have to win their title game.

of course everything I said is assuming lsu or ok st (or both) will lose.

[The Seer]

yeah auburn won on a last second field goal in a terrific game.
10 times better than cam newton?

I said TEAMS, yes they are much better than that Auburn team that kept pulling out close ones all year. They had an average SEC defense. That Auburn defense shut them down. LSU and Alabama's defenses are light years ahead of that one. Every year there is the same conversation and every year it's the same old story in the end. It was but a few years ago also that Oklahoma who everyone was saying had the best offense in college football history got shut down by Florida. Same story, different year.

[Duke Fan]

What about this scenario? LSU beats Arkansas, but loses to Georgia in SEC Championship game. Georgia gets Sugar Bowl with SEC 1 slot. Does Bama at 2 or 3 jump LSU in final poll? If so, does 12-1 LSU get left out of a BCS game since a conference is limited to 2 BCS teams.

Oklahoma beats Oklahoma St, so does Bama/ OU wind up 1 and 2 in either order and wind up in Championship Game?

Bama season ticket holder and have an in on 4 BCS Tickets ONLY if Bama goes,
so if it takes coming in the backdoor I will take the chance anyway we can get there.

[Shafted69]

Oregon would be bull dozed by LSU in a rematch. Those tiny defensive linemen of Oregon couldn't stop pee wee herman.

[Scoobdog24]

As much as everyone does not want to see it, LSU/Alabama is very likely, especially if Arkansas can upset LSU, which would set it up. Unless OK ST can go undefeated.

[milwaukee mike]

I said TEAMS, yes they are much better than that Auburn team that kept pulling out close ones all year. They had an average SEC defense. That Auburn defense shut them down. LSU and Alabama's defenses are light years ahead of that one. Every year there is the same conversation and every year it's the same old story in the end. It was but a few years ago also that Oklahoma who everyone was saying had the best offense in college football history got shut down by Florida. Same story, different year.

yeah auburn shut them down by letting oregon average over 6 yds per play and also letting oregon break the record for passing yds


I'm guessing you're an sec fan, do you think that gives you a slight bias?

[The Seer]

yeah auburn shut them down by letting oregon average over 6 yds per play and also letting oregon break the record for passing yds


I'm guessing you're an sec fan, do you think that gives you a slight bias?

Oregon scored 19 whole points. I didn't know yards counted on the score board. Your argument is a joke and you are showing you ignorance.

[The Seer]

you proved my point by showing that Auburn's defense was average and they still beat oregon, thanks

[dfberger23]

Fuk that, Oregon is a BS novelty team.

[alamo]

When OU lose to the Sooners its a given that they will vote the two best teams in the country - LSU and BAMA

[milwaukee mike]

Oregon scored 19 whole points. I didn't know yards counted on the score board. Your argument is a joke and you are showing you ignorance.

yeah oregon scored 19 points in the title game. how many points did alabama and lsu score COMBINED against each other this year? nobody wants to watch another field goal snoozefest.

shutting someone down doesn't mean keeping them out of the endzone, it means not allowing them to rack up the most passing yards in the history of the bcs championship like oregon did. perhaps you meant "bent but didn't break".

my argument isn't a joke, it is based on having the best teams in the country at the end of the year play for the championship. does anyone think a 10-6 packers team last year was the best throughout the entire year? NO.
but they were playing better than anyone at the end of the year, like oregon is doing now.

i guess being fast and athletic makes you "gimmicky" in the eyes of a lot of people though...

[hostile takeover]

I don't think you all will have to worry about it.

Oklahoma State will win Bedlam.

Oregon is just awesome and exciting to watch. Wish they would've won their first game.. but an undefeated Big 12 team should no question be in the championship game.

Not sure why anyone in the ACC was even mentioned.

[Monte]

Winning with 23 points in Stanford, they should be above Alabama.
I don't think that is a question, stupid rankings.

[The DiB]

What about this scenario? LSU beats Arkansas, but loses to Georgia in SEC Championship game. Georgia gets Sugar Bowl with SEC 1 slot. Does Bama at 2 or 3 jump LSU in final poll? If so, does 12-1 LSU get left out of a BCS game since a conference is limited to 2 BCS teams.

Oklahoma beats Oklahoma St, so does Bama/ OU wind up 1 and 2 in either order and wind up in Championship Game?

Bama season ticket holder and have an in on 4 BCS Tickets ONLY if Bama goes,
so if it takes coming in the backdoor I will take the chance anyway we can get there.

The only way LSU doesn't get in the championship is if they fail to get to the SECCG. No way Alabama or Oregon should get in over LSU if they lose the SECCG considering LSU beat both of them. If LSU gets to the SECCG, It'll be LSU vs Oklahoma/ Oklahoma State.

[Walulu]

This isn't even an argument or debate until we are sitting with a slew of 1 loss teams. At that point you have to look at the 'body of work' as they'd say during March Madness. At the end of the day it's about who you beat and slightly who you lose too and how. Unfortunately you are also going to contend with the 'already played and lost to scenario' to some extent.

As someone said the only stat that matters is the final score. Turnovers are a part of the game so there is no if they didn't do this or that then something else would have happened. It didn't and the fact of the matter is everyone has to contend with these issues. For instance if Notre Dame didn't have turnovers in the 3 losses they've had this year they could be sitting undefeated right now. They completely outplayed USF and Michigan stat wise. 2 turnovers in their 3 losses caused 14 points swings and certainly determined the outcomes of the game on the very play they happened. Not a turnover and then their defense not being able to hold.

Anyway, Oregon had their shot and controlled their destiny. Had they won their strength of schedule would be rewarding them. Just the way the Boise's of the world schedule does not reward them even when they go undefeated. To say Oregon is playing the best in the country right now is also a matter of debate. How can you even say that when LSU and Okie continue to roll?