Technical question about recordkeeping in threads

[Capybara]

Seen people track their records in different ways and wanted a consensus on what should be acceptable and what shoudln't.

You can't ignore the juice in your "record", can you??

If a guy has, say, this:

Pittsburgh 5X
Idaho 4X
Oklahoma 3x
Colorado 2x
Michigan 1x

Then posts, say, these results:

Pittsburgh 5X W
Idaho 4X L
Oklahoma 3x W
Colorado 2x L
Michigan 1x W

He can't then say "Well, we had tough losses with Idaho and COL, but still a great night resulting in
+ 3 units! ", can he?

The only "correct" way to track gambling winnings is to include the fukkin juice... Thus, if you're going to post the way the above bets are posted (10X, 5X, etc.), he won 900 and lost 660 in my scenario, resulting in
+ 2.4 Units

Am I right or wrong here? Obviously tracking like the above example is going to make for one heck of a misleading thread after a short while!

[jeffdane]

of course you are correct.

this could be an example of someone trying to play along(at the forum), but does not actually bet, and has never bet, therefore not knowing that juice even exists.

[Capybara]

of course you are correct.

this could be an example of someone trying to play along(at the forum), but does not actually bet, and has never bet, therefore not knowing that juice even exists.

Hmm, I kinda doubt that... I'm not talking about total idiot posters, I'm talking about more or less "serious" cappers... but just avoiding factoring in the juice. I don't know if it's laziness or just trying to cheat their record. Thanks for chiming in!

That's one in favor of accuracy, let's hear from some more!

[Sunde91]

Just looked at your thread and this is exactly what you do http://forum.sbrforum.com/nfl-bettin...thread-p5.html

Also no record to be shown since you've been losing

Seems to me you're one of the biggest disingenuous attention whores on the site factored with your "did you notice me, guys?" thread a few weeks ago. clown

[Double Bogey]

If a guy doesn't track units, he's a fraud. Anyone who bets real money knows the only thing that matters is units, not win-loss

I'd sure rather go 10-15 +5 units than 15-10 -5 units. Wouldn't you?

[Capybara]

Just looked at your thread and this is exactly what you do http://forum.sbrforum.com/nfl-bettin...thread-p5.html

Also no record to be shown since you've been losing

Seems to me you're one of the biggest disingenuous attention whores on the site factored with your "did you notice me, guys?" thread a few weeks ago. clown

False. Last season I kept track of units throughout and was very precise, you can look it up. This year I decided to blow off units and track my record only, in both the every-game part and the best-bet part... Yes, I haven't updated the record in the past couple of weeks cuz it's f'n depressing, but it's all there in black and white. I don't "cheat", never have.

And I already admitted it was dumb to post the 'Did you notice thread' after my great start, and anyway it totally jinxed me so the lesson was learned.

[Capybara]

If a guy doesn't track units, he's a fraud. Anyone who bets real money knows the only thing that matters is units, not win-loss

I'd sure rather go 10-15 +5 units than 15-10 -5 units. Wouldn't you?

Actually I don't mind which method of tracking a poster wants to do... My point is just that if you ARE gonna post UNITS of bets and track it all, you can't just ignore the juice! But I wanted to just double-check that other posters agreed with me... I didn't know if people were like Eh, whatever, it's more or less correct, or something.

[Sunde91]

True. No juice or units are to be seen. You're a liar also? How big a hypocrite are you to make thread criticizing the exact thing you do. And a freak with that little girl from that corny ass movie as an avatar

[Capybara]

True. No juice or units are to be seen. You're a liar also? How big a hypocrite are you to make thread criticizing the exact thing you do. And a freak with that little girl from that corny ass movie as an avatar

Dude, what's your fukkin problem. Look in my LAST YEAR'S THREAD -- all units are kept, precisely.

This year I specifically said I'm tracking every game ATS to see THE RECORD and NOT PLAYING all those games so no reason to track units!

At least get your shit straight if you want to try and give it to me, okay?

Bottom line: When I track units, I track the juice, as everyone should. I don't claim to be anything special, but I play straight. Now piss off.

[Capybara]

True. No juice or units are to be seen. You're a liar also? How big a hypocrite are you to make thread criticizing the exact thing you do. And a freak with that little girl from that corny ass movie as an avatar

And by the way, I'm a freak? What the fukk is in your avatar?!

[antifoil]

the only way to do it is use the spreadsheet to keep the record.

[Sunde91]

Last year has what to do with now clown? "No reason to track units"? Why? Also another lie. From page 1: "Best bets weren't quite as bad: 3-4, so -1.40 units."

You do the exact thing you criticize in this thread, hypocrite. You use "!!!" like only a female would and have a 12 year old girl from a children's super hero movie as an avatar along with a gay little quote in purple

[jjgold]

<table bgcolor="#000000" border="0" cellspacing="1" width="790"><tbody><tr><td class="casino-whitebg-left">2:59:33pm</td> <td class="casino-whitebg-left">2011-11-11</td> <td class="casino-whitebg-left">600</td> <td class="casino-whitebg-left">Louisville</td> <td class="casino-whitebg-left">Over 147½</td> <td class="casino-whitebg-left">
</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="casino-whitebg-left">2:53:14pm</td> <td class="casino-whitebg-left">2011-11-11</td> <td class="casino-whitebg-left">554</td> <td class="casino-whitebg-left">Kansas</td> <td class="casino-whitebg-left">Under 142</td> <td class="casino-whitebg-left">
</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="casino-whitebg-left">2:28:54pm</td> <td class="casino-whitebg-left">2011-11-11</td> <td class="casino-whitebg-left">544</td> <td class="casino-whitebg-left">Connecticut</td> <td class="casino-whitebg-left">Over 137</td> <td class="casino-whitebg-left">
</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="casino-whitebg-left">1:53:48pm</td> <td class="casino-whitebg-left">2011-11-12</td> <td class="casino-whitebg-left">204</td> <td class="casino-whitebg-left">Colorado</td> <td class="casino-whitebg-left">Under 64</td> <td class="casino-whitebg-left">
</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="casino-whitebg-left">11:27:26am</td> <td class="casino-whitebg-left">2011-11-11</td> <td class="casino-whitebg-left">625</td> <td class="casino-whitebg-left">Portland State</td> <td class="casino-whitebg-left">+11½</td> <td class="casino-whitebg-left">
</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="casino-whitebg-left">10:44:15am</td> <td class="casino-whitebg-left">2011-11-11</td> <td class="casino-whitebg-left">591</td> <td class="casino-whitebg-left">UL Lafayette</td> <td class="casino-whitebg-left">-4</td> <td class="casino-whitebg-left">
</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="casino-whitebg-left">9:50:53am</td> <td class="casino-whitebg-left">2011-11-12</td> <td class="casino-whitebg-left">168</td> <td class="casino-whitebg-left">Arkansas</td> <td class="casino-whitebg-left">-14</td> <td class="casino-whitebg-left">
</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="casino-whitebg-left">9:36:51am</td> <td class="casino-whitebg-left">2011-11-11</td> <td class="casino-whitebg-left">598</td> <td class="casino-whitebg-left">Kentucky</td> <td class="casino-whitebg-left">-35</td> <td class="casino-whitebg-left">
</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="casino-whitebg-left">9:12:49am</td> <td class="casino-whitebg-left">2011-11-11</td> <td class="casino-whitebg-left">570</td> <td class="casino-whitebg-left">Nevada</td> <td class="casino-whitebg-left">Over 137</td> <td class="casino-whitebg-left">
</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="casino-whitebg-left">9:11:18am</td> <td class="casino-whitebg-left">2011-11-11</td> <td class="casino-whitebg-left">578</td> <td class="casino-whitebg-left">Fresno State</td> <td class="casino-whitebg-left">Over 131</td></tr></tbody></table>

[Capybara]

Last year has what to do with now clown? "No reason to track units"? Why? Also another lie. From page 1: "Best bets weren't quite as bad: 3-4, so -1.40 units."

You do the exact thing you criticize in this thread, hypocrite. You use "!!!" like only a female would and have a 12 year old girl from a children's super hero movie as an avatar along with a gay little quote in purple

You still haven't explained your colossally gay avatar, Sunde, let's have it.

And 3-4, -1.40 is the correct way to do it, so what the fukk are you talking about? AGAIN: Last year I tracked units the whole way. This year I started doing it the first couple of weeks I think and then said fukk it -- because most of that thread is not plays, it's just tracking an overall record ATS. Think what you want about me, just go away.

[Capybara]

You use "!!!" like only a female would and have a 12 year old girl from a children's super hero movie as an avatar along with a gay little quote in purple

Furthermore, how does one "use punctuation like a female"? That is seriously retarded comment. There's a bunch of shit on my keyboard, I try to use it to express myself, as is its purpose.

Also, Kick-Ass is not a children's superhero movie, dumbass, it's an adult parody of superhero movies. Not that it's anything amazing but it's actually funny. And the quote above my avatar originally said "C-nts", which is what she said, but the mods changed it to "oysters". I left it because I actually got a kick out of that. I may change it soon anyway because it's been a while, but not because of you.

[Sunde91]

haha what am I talking about? A petty attention whore who only tracks when the going is good and then makes a thread calling out the exact thing he is guilty for. You're so worked up you had to come back and post again

"express myself" lol that's exactly why girls use !!s in every sentence clown. Cause they think what they're saying is so special and exciting that they need to overemphasize its presumed significance with a ! Perfectly understandable from you

[Capybara]

haha what am I talking about? A petty attention whore who only tracks when the going is good and then makes a thread calling out the exact thing he is guilty for. You're so worked up you had to come back and post again

"express myself" lol that's exactly why girls use !!s in every sentence clown. Cause they think what they're saying is so special and exciting that they need to overemphasize its presumed significance with a ! Perfectly understandable from you

If you paid attention and could read, you'd see that I never posted anything in here about "calling people out" for "only tracking when the going is good." I posted this thread calling people out for tracking units improperly. No idea if it's on purpose or not, but just something I've noticed. I may be guilty of some shit -- attention whore, yeah, occasionally; inconsistent w/ how I run my thread, yeah, occasionally. But when I calculate units, I include the juice. That's all this f'n thread was about. But you had to go attacking me for no apparent reason. Are we done now, can you go away?

And by the way, you still never said what the fukk your avatar was after calling mine gay. Between the two of us, yours looks a hell of a lot gayer to me.

[MC PICKS]

Not counting the juice is commonly referred to as "tout math".

[podonne]

Seen people track their records in different ways and wanted a consensus on what should be acceptable and what shoudln't.

You can't ignore the juice in your "record", can you??

If a guy has, say, this:

Pittsburgh 5X
Idaho 4X
Oklahoma 3x
Colorado 2x
Michigan 1x

Then posts, say, these results:

Pittsburgh 5X W
Idaho 4X L
Oklahoma 3x W
Colorado 2x L
Michigan 1x W

He can't then say "Well, we had tough losses with Idaho and COL, but still a great night resulting in
+ 3 units! ", can he?

The only "correct" way to track gambling winnings is to include the fukkin juice... Thus, if you're going to post the way the above bets are posted (10X, 5X, etc.), he won 900 and lost 660 in my scenario, resulting in
+ 2.4 Units

Am I right or wrong here? Obviously tracking like the above example is going to make for one heck of a misleading thread after a short while!

I don't think lack of honesty is completely the answer to your question. Different books have different juice, and the juice gets lower if you have access to more than one book's line, and even lower if you have an exchange.

No-juice units is certainly not a realistic assessment of whether the person is making money in reality, or whether you could, but it does provide a book-independent assessment of how the person's picks are doing compared to other people who are recording thier picks.

If someone posted the picks and the line they got, it would be more "honest" I suppose, but timing is everything, and you still don't know whether you could have gotten those odds, better odds, or worse odds. And it would be MORE difficult to compare records between touts at that point.

So I'll vote for people who are posting thier picks for the express purpose to illustrate that thay are making better picks than other people, leave the juice out.

[podonne]

Not counting the juice is commonly referred to as "tout math".

As in my previous post, I would assume this is because touts are expected to be compared against other touts, and the no juice line provides a common baseline for doing so.

[chunk]

This is not rocket science.
1. Anyone that does not keep an accurate and ongoing record has zero credibility.
2. A strictly w/l record is fine, but one must assume each game = 1 unit @ -110 odds(standard odds).
3. Anyone that weights their plays must clarify and make parameters clear. Units w/l would then have meaning.
4. Anyone who "buys points" and uses such in their record keeping process should be avoided.

I think that I'm forgetting something, but this in itself would suffice.