When will Joe Paterno be brought up on criminal charges?

[InTheDrink]

Did people really think this wasn't a big deal?

It's a helluva lot bigger than fatass tt condoning juvenile rape.

He publicly apologized. For what? He enabled the situation for years.

[ttwarrior1]

Wednesday, November 9, 2011

The sanctimonious railroading of Joe Paterno

If there is one thing we have come to expect from the press its that when it comes to almost any big story they will miss what's important and what matters in place of those who will seize the opportunity for their own self-serving, sanctimonious, self-righteous reasons to try and make a name for themselves.

That is exactly what is going on now with the phony moralistic and imbecilic calls by factually challenged sportswriters and other journalists, not exactly known for their ability to think in the first place, for Joe Paterno the coach of Penn State football, to resign or be fired over a child abuse scandal involving a former defensive coach at Penn State.

The fact that, based on all the facts presently known, Paterno did nothing wrong, not in any imaginable way, doesn't stop the sanctimonious, self-righteous pseudo-moralistic members of the press from piling on over an issue for which they feel safe in piling on.

Here is what we and self-serving sports writers like Andy Staples for Sports Illustrated, Bob Ford, and others know. We and they know we don't have all the facts but that the prosecutors and grand jury do. We and they know that the grand jury, the body who does have all the facts, handed down indictments, one involving the abuser and two involving two Penn State officials who were charged with perjury for covering up one of the incidents and were indicted for failure to report sexual abuse. After hearing all the evidence including testimony by Joe Paterno, the grand jury did not indict Joe Paterno for anything.

Based on all the facts at the grand jury's disposal Paterno did nothing wrong. And the Pennsylvania State Attorney General said as much as well.

But if you want to pretend youre a moral hero, if you are self-serving and sanctimonious and looking to beat your chest about something, that isnt good enough. That also wont sell newspapers, get TV ratings, or get website hits the way going after a figure like Joe Paterno would. And the justification by these factually challenged journalists who are trying to do something journalists have proved they are incapable of doing in the first place -- think -- is that while Paterno did nothing criminally wrong he was morally wrong in not reporting what he heard to the police.

The problem with that is the need to answer the question, "heard what"?

Perhaps these journalists are not aware that it is in fact a crime -- a felony -- to know about child abuse and not report it. We have seen that repeatedly with the serial and institutional child sexual abuse in the Catholic church. We know that those in the hierarchy of the church who knew about the abuse by priests and did nothing are being held accountable.

The grand jury, the only body in possession of all the facts ( and the indictment is NOT all the facts - only evidence and testimony given to the grand jury contains all the facts and that is secret) decided that Paterno is blameless and committed no crime. At the same time the grand jury indicted two Penn State officials for not doing what the sanctimonious is saying Joe Paterno also didnt do but should have -- report abuse. So with no facts to support it a group of self appointed self-rightous journalists posing as moralists are calling for Paterno to be fired.

According to them Paterno should be fired for not doing what the grand jury held Paterno blameless for not doing -- going to the police with nothing.

The incident in question was witnessed by an assistant coach who actually saw the abuse take place. This coach - an eyewitness -- did NOT go to the police with what he saw but the press is giving him a pass anyway. Why? Because he is not a big fish. Because he is not going to embellish anyone's reputation. Because pointing the finger at him is not going allow sanctimonious journalists to stick out their chests the way the morally sanctimonious always do. Going after the person who actually the saw the abuse and did nothing but who is a lowly assistant coach wouldn't put a feather in the cap of those like Andy Staples, Bob Ford, or the editorial writers of the Philadelphia Daily News. Going after the witness who did nothing doesnt allow them to strut their "moral superiority" but going after Paterno gives them the opportunity to say, "look ma, I'm a hero".

So they go after Paterno, who according to his testimony and public statement had no details or specifics of what this coach saw because the coach never told him. This is an excerpt from Paterno's statement:
" He ( McCreary, the eyewitness) at no time related to me the very specific actions contained in the grand jury report:".

The grand jury investigation which included calling McCreary as a witness as well as Paterno and the two Penn State officials eventually indicted, concluded Paterno's statement was the truth and that Paterno fullfilled all his obligations in reporting what he knew to the Penn State Athletic Director and not the police.

But that still isn't enough for the railroading press. According to them Paterno should have gone to the police anyway. But they never say with what. An incident he didn't see and for which he had no details or specifics? What exactly was he supposed to say to the police? The sanctimonious in the press calling for Paterno's dismissal never say.

The mother of the boy who was sexually abused by Sandusky issued a public statement yesterday. In it she said that Sandusky in 1998 "admitted to my face - he admitted it", that he had sexually abused her son. She said in the same statement that Sandusky admitted the abuse to her again in 2002. What did the mother do? Nothing. Did she go to the police with this specific admission? No. But Paterno was supposed to with none of the facts the mother had.

So we have an assistant coach who actually witnessed the incident but didn't report it to the police and the mother of the victim who was told twice over a 4 year span by the abuser himself that he had abused her son and neither went to the police. But Paterno, who didn't have a fraction of the information those two had, was supposed to do more than the boy's own mother. And should be fired for not doing so.

McCreary and the boy's mother are clearly the ones who should have gone to the police but they are given a pass by the press because there is no money or moral superiority to be had by going after them. But going after Paterno who didn't know a thing about any specific act of abuse, well, that's a gold mine.

The justification being used for attacking Paterno is that while he may have done nothing wrong criminally he was morally wrong in not reporting it to the police. Again, these factually challenged journalists are oblivious to the fact that what they say is morally wrong -- not reporting it to the police -- is also criminally wrong. To restate the facts, not reporting child abuse is a felony. The fact that the grand jury didnt indict Paterno for not reporting abuse to police while indicting two Penn State officials for that very thing, is proof that those in possession of all the facts decided that there was nothing Paterno should have done that he didnt do.

With the press when it comes to controversy its always about cowardice and what they think they can get away with to sell newspapers, get ratings or website hits as long as they feel safe against retribution. They had nothing to say about irrefutable evidence that Bush lied the country into war but they got real tough with Anthony Weiner over a picture of his underwear. They put Joe Paterno's picture on the front page of the Philadephia Daily News with the word "Shame" in huge type but never a picture of the present Pope with the same word after we learned that the present Pope had known about the Wisconsin priest who sexually abused over 400 deaf children and did nothing.

Sandusky no doubt will get what's coming to him if he is guilty. Its too bad the same cant be said about journalists like Andy Staples, Bob Ford and the rest of the press who throw due process, common sense, facts and journalistic integrity out the window for their own self-serving reasons. But one can always hope.

NOTE: This morning on ESPN, Karl Ravich an ESPN anchor made an inadvertent but stunning admisson that bears out the premise of this peice. Ravich pointed out that all of the media attention is being focused on Joe Paterno, almost forgotten is Jerry Sandusky, the person actually indicted for engaging in the sexual abuse. Ravich made the point that while Sandusky will eventually have his day in court, for now they can't advance the story using Sandusky so all the attention is being focused on Joe Paterno. Obviously to, as Ravich said, advance the story.And milk it. At Joe Paterno's expense.

[Dirty Sanchez]

No...unless something gets unearthed in the coming days....he didn't break any laws

[InTheDrink]

tt had that on cue within a minute

Molesters stick together

[jjgold]

He did nothing wrong legally
Firing him is good enough

[jarvol]

50/50 odds that old bastard is brought up on perjury or obstruction charges.

[doublej95]

if he was he would be dead before the trial was over and was sentenced.

[SportsMushroom]

he'd be so lucky to go to jail


he should be ridiculed and let out into the world to be shunned by the people that once worshiped him

[InTheDrink]

He did nothing wrong legally
Firing him is good enough

You don't know much about the law since you break it daily.

There's a lot to be had here.

[romecloneout]

good fukk paterno and fukk pedophile state

[ttwarrior1]

you people are doing nothing but listening to other people's posts and the media

Do you really believe paterno knew a kid got raped?????????????

Please say no. Why would you believe yes???? You want paterno to be guilty also??? But not the others ??

[InTheDrink]

ttwarrior1 condones child rape

I don't always type his full name out but I want search engines to pick this one up.

[doublej95]

you people are doing nothing but listening to other people's posts and the media

Do you really believe paterno knew a kid got raped?????????????

Please say no. Why would you believe yes???? You want paterno to be guilty also??? But not the others ??

tt that stuff might be legal in Kentucky and people turn their heads the other way but in the rest of the country we want heads to roll.

[hawley]

you people are doing nothing but listening to other people's posts and the media

Do you really believe paterno knew a kid got raped?????????????

Please say no. Why would you believe yes???? You want paterno to be guilty also??? But not the others ??

What do you mean?

It was reported to him. So either you are suggesting Paterno thought it was a lie or you are suggesting it was consensual. Not that you would know but there is such a thing as statutory rape when the victim is too young to consent so the second it was intercourse it became rape.

That leaves you suggesting Paterno thought it was a lie. correct?

So what are you suggesting because the grand jury report makes it clear it was reported to Paterno.

[ttwarrior1]

no paterno was never told what you are saying. Why are you giving the assistant the pass. read what i posted and have an open mind
The grand jury did not make it clear to paterno.

[jarvol]

Do you really believe paterno knew a kid got raped?????????????

Please say no. Why would you believe yes????

Educate yourself you stupid illiterate inbred fatfukk. The public record grand jury testimony says that Paterno was told a kid was getting sodomized in the showers of his locker room 9 years ago.

[hawley]

no paterno was never told what you are saying. Why are you giving the assistant the pass. read what i posted and have an open mind
The grand jury did not make it clear to paterno.

If Paterno was never told how did he pass the information on?

You have not read the report. Earlier today Shari quoted some of the report and it makes it clear that Paterno was informed.

Please do everyone a favor and stop commenting this is for adults not those with the brain capacity of a toddler.

[Dirty Sanchez]

50/50 odds that old bastard is brought up on perjury or obstruction charges.

He's already testified in front of the Grand Jury...that's where the AD and VP were charged...In the report he was said to be cooperative and forthright....and in the findings wasn't charged

[hawley]

Honest ttwarrior you need to see a doctor.

I think you are mentally retarded and everyone here who has been involved in one thread regarding this whole scandal will agree.

[Grits n' Gravy]

No, but without the job at Penn State I give him a year or so before he dies from boredom. He dropped the ball and will have to live with it.

The ginger coach who saw it and did nothing should be prosecuted along with the pedophile.

[ttwarrior1]

yeh 4 people might agree, roll eyes. Why are you offended with mentally retarded people. What if you have a kid someday that is mentally challenged. Would you just leave? You didnt even read that blog. Paterno will not be charged with anything. Just like the previous poster sanchez stated

[ttwarrior1]

grits do you think im a pedo and need to be banned. I respect your opinion sometime as you can be honest

[hawley]

yeh 4 people might agree, roll eyes. Why are you offended with mentally retarded people. What if you have a kid someday that is mentally challenged. Would you just leave? You didnt even read that blog. Paterno will not be charged with anything. Just like the previous poster sanchez stated

I have no problem with mentally retarded people.

I have a problem with you, trying to pass yourself off as being intelligent and take part in a serious conversation, yet you fall well short every time.

Answer me this: does the grand jury report state Paterno was informed of the incident in the shower when the graduate witnessed Sandusky performing anal sex to a kid?

[Dirty Sanchez]

No, but without the job at Penn State I give him a year or so before he dies from boredom. He dropped the ball and will have to live with it.

The ginger coach who saw it and did nothing should be prosecuted along with the pedophile.

Bear Bryant said if he ever stopped coaching he would probably die....and he was dead within a year

[hawley]

I am not in here saying Paterno will be charged.

You are the one saying he didnt know about the rape which is absolute bullshit as has been pointed out many times.

If you are still trying to read the grand jury report and cant get past the title let someone know and they will read it to you. Remember sound out the big words.

[jarvol]

He's already testified in front of the Grand Jury...that's where the AD and VP were charged...In the report he was said to be cooperative and forthright....and in the findings wasn't charged

This is far, far from being over. While PA Attorney General Kelly said she won't file charges against Joe Paterno for not reporting the alleged child sexual abuse by Sandusky, he could eventually face criminal charges for perjury, obstruction of justice and violating the state's Child Protective Services Law. Either Paterno lied to the grand jury, McQueary lied to the grand jury, Paterno intentionally misrepresented what he was told, or he has advanced dementia. Paterno was deemed a witness by the state and not a defendant like the AD and VP. And lets not forget these scumbags will look to cut plea deals which could further implicate Paterno.

Now I'm not a lawyer....but I have stayed at a Holiday Inn Express before.

[hawley]

When he looked in the shower he saw what he estimated to be a 10-year-old boy, hands pressed up against the wall, “being subjected to anal intercourse,” by Jerry Sandusky, then 58 and Penn State’s former defensive coordinator. The grad assistant said both the boy and the coach saw him before he fled to his office where, distraught and stunned, the grad assistant telephoned his father, who instructed his son to flee the building.

The next day, a Saturday, the grad assistant went to the home of head coach Joe Paterno and told him what he had seen. The day after that, Paterno called Penn State athletic director Tim Curley to his home to report that the grad assistant had told him he had witnessed “Jerry Sandusky in the Lasch Building showers fondling or doing something of a sexual nature to a young boy.”


So the Grand Jury report states that Paterno was told, and he then told the AD


How did Paterno pass that information on if he was never told ttwarrior?

Explain that to me.

[ttwarrior1]

So what is paterno guilty of? Why you giving the grad assistant a pass? Why are you giving the parents that didn't go to the police a pass?

[hawley]

you people are doing nothing but listening to other people's posts and the media

Do you really believe paterno knew a kid got raped?????????????

Please say no. Why would you believe yes???? You want paterno to be guilty also??? But not the others ??

Warrior this is what we are discussing.

You clearly implied Paterno didn't know. Please explain why.

Don't bring other stuff into the argument to dodge this.

[jarvol]

So what is paterno guilty of? Why you giving the grad assistant a pass? Why are you giving the parents that didn't go to the police a pass?

Fatfukkwarrior - please list the names of the parents who knew about this in order to go to the police?

Nobody is giving McQueary a pass. That dumbfukk should be fired too. He is relatively unknown so it isn't as polarizing as Paterno.

[hawley]

Warrior you are buried in this thread and every other one you have tried to get involved in.

You will not answer my questions posted above, you might instead try and counter with other questions completely unrelated.

Go back to posting in 15 forums, playing mafia wars and farmville, playing poker on 6 sites, caring for sick people, being a weight lifter, being funded at 50 books and everything else you claim.


Just do everyone a favor and stay out of conversations meant for adults and those with half a brain.

[ttwarrior1]

No im saying paterno did not know a kid got anally raped. No it has not been stated that paterno knew exactly word for word about that. Your answering my questions with questions so why can't I? Are you getting that from the document or a post???

I am not god or the jury. They will be the ones making judgement. Not me. Yes the guy is probaly guilty, but wasn't casey anthony guilty also, . My opinions, key word opinions will come out later when this goes to trial.

[ttwarrior1]

do what jarvol?? U didnt read the report or blog i guess. Thats already been stated, why in the hell would i know names of parents, roll eyes

[Grits n' Gravy]

grits do you think im a pedo and need to be banned. I respect your opinion sometime as you can be honest

I don't think you are a pedophile. I think you typed some things that were not well thought out. Instead of arguing a point you don't really believe, admit you were wrong and move on. I get the innocent until proven guilty thing and am all for it, but when the guy has a history and an eye witness saw him diddling a kid there is enough to put the guy underground.

Bottom line is legally Paterno did nothing wrong, but with his position and sway he holds he could have buried Sandusky in prison and prevented many of the abuses. He chose to look the other way and he will have to live with that for whatever time he has left on earth.

[hawley]

you people are doing nothing but listening to other people's posts and the media

Do you really believe paterno knew a kid got raped?????????????

Please say no. Why would you believe yes???? You want paterno to be guilty also??? But not the others ??

No im saying paterno did not know a kid got anally raped. No it has not been stated that paterno knew exactly word for word about that. Your answering my questions with questions so why can't I? Are you getting that from the document or a post???

I am not god or the jury. They will be the ones making judgement. Not me. Yes the guy is probaly guilty, but wasn't casey anthony guilty also, . My opinions, key word opinions will come out later when this goes to trial.

How can you claim Paterno did not know

Is the Grand Jury report wrong? Do you need someone to read it to you? obviously you are incapable of reading it yourself.