have you not noticed that its only pros bitching about free stuff being taken away?

[milwaukee mike]

LOL seriously? You wager is your go to? Theyre rated D or F at most places, this dump has them as a B. and they have held that forever, despite all the shady shit they allow there or out and out scams they pull. Plus their customer service is a frigging joke from what I hear, theyre in CR and I never played at CR books even when I was gambling offshore.

Now some of the most egregious offenseswere years ago but I dont think they have changed their set up, they just have a lot less people playing there than before so the opportunities dont come up that often. And more than likely only losers are playing there anyway so worrying about cashing out isnt an issue.

That is what I said about so many so called top notch and solid books back in the day, EVERYONE loved a lot of realy shitty books. Mostly because they never got exposed. But after a little bit and a few people tried withdrawing actual winnings the light was thrown on them and they were shown for what they really were.

PLAYING at a book and getting PAID by a book are two very different things.

Now that being said, you listed about 4 or 5 things you do for SBR points, would be interesting to see how many things you do to prepare for betting on games.

youwager's customer service is terrific. they send me giant fruit baskets/champagne for christmas and other occassions, how many other books would do that?

who has them rated d or f and for what reason? "cooper's picks" is the only site i can find where they are rated poorly and that site has no merit whatsoever. youwager has been around since 1994 without stiffing or slow paying a single player. therx/ratethebooks has them 4 stars.

i never said they were my "go to" book - they are who i sent the $200 since it was the same last year and i wanted to make a deposit for the free contests. i'm not one to turn down $60 in free cash + youwager's free handicapping contest/mnf contest which pay huge money ($5000/week for mnf).

[jarvol]

seriously

everything has been taken away from non-pros, and no one complains


pros seem to be bitching about every little thing, the difference between pros and non-pros is that the pros took the time to fill in a form

and they think that makes them big shots, and they act like the big kahuna around sbr


yet every time there is something they dont like about the free shit they get every day they bitch like the broke fukcers that they all are

sbr pros are pathetic

Never fukkin heard of ya pal. Go walk on down to your local Willie Hill shop and bitch at them.

[milwaukee mike]

oh and i forgot to mention when youwager's site was down a month or so ago they automatically gave me $75 even though i wasn't trying to place a bet online during the time it was down and didn't ask for anything.
class operation all the way around.

[SportsMushroom]

If it costs absolutely nothing, why don't you support this site and become a pro yourself, and you can talk about pro's bitching about everything. You really have no valid saying about pro's bitching when you aren't one.

there are only two books that I love betting at, pinnacle for the juice, and bet365 for the live betting, I cant become pro at either and I dont care enough for the 6 extra points a day to go through the hassle of putting money at another book

but also because most spr pros are morons who talk to me like I am the loser because I am not a pro, I dont like being of the same ilk as the douchebags on this forum

[Ra77er]

You can donate to a charity...no need to sign up at a different book now

[SportsMushroom]

I'd say the non pro's are the "broke fukks" They don't even have 2 bills to deposit and are the freeloaders at sbr. No?

please explain how non pros are freeloaders?

we get nothing for posting at sbr

pros do get something for posting at sbr hence they are the freeloaders

[ngates815]

exactly, points mean nothing to non pros, because we cant use them for anything, so it proves that we are not here for the free handouts pros on the other hand are the only ones that have to be given free shit to post here, so you can never be sure if a pro is broke or not do a quick search around the forum, lots of threads from pros crying about losing their balances and being broke, lots of pros admitting to withdrawing their 200 pro deposit which they only deposited to go pro non pros are the only ones here because they like it

OR the people that were here for "free handouts" (Broke fukks) before the PRO program began stayed as non-pros, because they didn't have 200 bucks to deposit and were only here for the "free handouts". Now that there points are worthless (to a point) they are just addicted to the forum and all the shit talking that goes on, it helps them pass the day...I would imagine that 75 percent of the non-pros would not be here if the points system was never invented. And points still aren't completely worthless, because non-pros can still rack up points then deposit 200 bucks to become a pro, then use them to buy something nice, which I could see alot of non-pros doing

You could look at it either way.

[Mikail]

please explain how non pros are freeloaders?

we get nothing for posting at sbr

pros do get something for posting at sbr hence they are the freeloaders

you benefit from being a part of sbr and offer nothing in return. Other than the spew you post. Those of us who manned up, clicked the link a deposited 2 bills are at least supporting sbr and in return sbr gives back to us.

[SportsMushroom]

You can donate to a charity...no need to sign up at a different book now

why would I donate 200 to become a pro?

[ngates815]

there are only two books that I love betting at, pinnacle for the juice, and bet365 for the live betting, I cant become pro at either and I dont care enough for the 6 extra points a day to go through the hassle of putting money at another book but also because most spr pros are morons who talk to me like I am the loser because I am not a pro, I dont like being of the same ilk as the douchebags on this forum

You're too funny.


It's a huge hassle to open a new account and deposit.


Yes, people talk to you like a loser, because you're not a PRO, no other reason than that.

[SportsMushroom]

you benefit from being a part of sbr and offer nothing in return. Other than the spew you post. Those of us who manned up, clicked the link a deposited 2 bills are at least supporting sbr and in return sbr gives back to us.

I have 4 figures in an sbr pro book, sbr wont accept me because I've had that account for years


you are saying that I post spew because you are insulted with what I am saying


sbr pros started this war, they like calling non pros broke *****, then non pros will call pros out as broke fukcs when they act like it

[Ra77er]

why would I donate 200 to become a pro?

So maybe you can experience what it feels like to man up for once in your life? Maybe stop wasting money at mcdonalds and cancel your bangbros subscription for a few months then you could pony up the 200 np.

[SportsMushroom]

You're too funny. It's a huge hassle to open a new account and deposit. Yes, people talk to you like a loser, because you're not a PRO, no other reason than that.

and I will talk to pros like they are losers, because they cry for points, no other reason than that

[SportsMushroom]

So maybe you can experience what it feels like to man up for once in your life? Maybe stop wasting money at mcdonalds and cancel your bangbros subscription for a few months then you could pony up the 200 np.

so thats what it takes to feel like a man? becoming a pro and bitching day and night about points

I had life figured out wrong and did not realise until now

[Ra77er]

so thats what it takes to feel like a man? becoming a pro and bitching day and night about points

I had life figured out wrong and did not realise until now

No you had it about right...creating a thread to troll a subset of posters who had 200 bucks to support a forum so that guys like you can spew nonsense on it all day is pretty much what life is all about. You're doing great on your own.

[ngates815]

and I will talk to pros like they are losers, because they cry for points, no other reason than that

I don't think anyone really cares to much if you talk shit to them on a forum, for being a pro.

But it's obvious, you don't like being talked down to by people you'll never meet, about a subject that should mean so little.

Sorry.

[doublej95]

the difference that you dont seem to understand is that sbr never asked you to pay for the free minutes, they just reduced the free minutes and you called them up and said 'I want my free minutes back'


also consider this, what about the trivia? most people became pro before the trivia era, they got the trivia as a bonus while they were already pros and now they are complaining about hard questions and rollovers

broke fuks

Sporty how many threads have been started from non pros whining about not being able to get what the PRO's are getting?

[boeing power]

mushroom,
GFY
thank you

[FourLengthsClear]

why would I donate 200 to become a pro?

He means that you can use your points to make a charity donation.

I agree with the fundamental point in your OP. Times are tough for the industry ATM (especially the US facing portion of it) and no-one should really be surprised that the SBR point is becoming worth progressively less.

[SportsMushroom]

I don't think anyone really cares to much if you talk shit to them on a forum, for being a pro. But it's obvious, you don't like being talked down to by people you'll never meet, about a subject that should mean so little. Sorry.

lol people care, evidenced by the replies in this thread, apparently you care as well

ngates i dont even care what people I know in real life think of me, if i cared about what people I never met think of me I would be out there stroking every other posters penis, there are a few penis strokers on sbr and they are pathetic, obviously if I wanted people on sbr to like me I would not have created this thread

[Inkwell77]

Sporty it don't matter if its SBR points, health insurance, cable bill or whatever there's some people in this world that will take a stand and voice their opinion. Then there's the one's like you that will just lay down and just let them walk all over you.

ahahahahaha

Yeah!!

This guy is probably serious. If you don't want the service you can always leave. You chose to sign up at the free SBR and become a "pro." Unless there were certain stipulations regarding what you would receive in return for being a pro and SBR welshed on that agreement I don't really see the actual argument any of these people have.

People who love to "take a stand and voice their opinion" are awesome!

[SportsMushroom]

Sporty how many threads have been started from non pros whining about not being able to get what the PRO's are getting?

I'll be honest with you, I dont even remember seeing one

if you can prove me wrong I will gladly eat crow, but I am sure that pro bitching threads > 100x non pro bitching threads

[ngates815]

lol people care, evidenced by the replies in this thread, apparently you care as well ngates

i dont even care what people I know in real life think of me, if i cared about what people I never met think of me I would be out there stroking every other posters penis, there are a few penis strokers on sbr and they are pathetic, obviously if I wanted people on sbr to like me I would not have created this thread

Yes, I'm very involved with this PRO situation, I'm always starting threads about it. Yes, I care very much.


"SBR Pro's talk to me like I'm a loser for not being a pro"

That sure sounds like someone is upset and going through some tough times, can you name that poster?

[Ra77er]

Sounds like either jjgold or SportsMushroom.....

[SportsMushroom]

Yes, I'm very involved with this PRO situation, I'm always starting threads about it. Yes, I care very much. "SBR Pro's talk to me like I'm a loser for not being a pro" That sure sounds like someone is upset and going through some tough times, can you name that poster?

this is a thread in support of sbr, not non pros, I agree to what sbr is doing, the point system is way too generous and it will not be viable in the future if cutbacks are not made

pros can call me a loser all they want, I can take it, some pros though need a change of tampon if we dare answer back and point out that they are just as big a losers as well

[ngates815]

I've said it multiple times, take the points system completely away.

FROM EVERYONE.

That will knock 75% of the people off the board. But then how will SBR survive with not alot of traffic on the site? So take away points all together from the Non-PROS, only give out benefits to the PRO's since, I'd like to think that SBR PRO's make the site more money than non Pro's.

There is 2,000+ PRO's @ 200 per membership, that means out of the 100K+ members on the site only 2 percent of them donated, don't you think those 2%(2,000) who support the site, should get much more than the other 98%(98,000) on the site?


This site is like a CC with rewards.

There is the standard reward CC (no annual fee, but still get something back)

Then there is the card that you have to pay the annual fee on, isn't that one normally MUCH better than the standard card?

Say I normally get 3% back with my card that I have to pay an annual fee on and then on my normal card I only get 1% back....What if 2 months later without notice they take that 3% down to 2%? DO I have any right to be upset that they took away one of the incentives from me? I thought I was paying an annual fee for the extra incentives, so one should have every right to be upset.

[SBR_John]

The program works great for non Pros. They can take some shots or save their points and get a shirt or a Nike cap. Of course supporting members are ordering over 300 pizzas and nearly 20 iPads and a bunch of other stuff a month. It's taken some massaging but there is a nice balance right now imho.

[milwaukee mike]

I've said it multiple times, take the points system completely away.

FROM EVERYONE.

That will knock 75% of the people off the board. But then how will SBR survive with not alot of traffic on the site? So take away points all together from the Non-PROS, only give out benefits to the PRO's since, I'd like to think that SBR PRO's make the site more money than non Pro's.

i would agree with this entirely. non-pros can't use the points anyway, so all it does is add to the amount of people in contests/poker tournaments/etc and take away benefits from the pros. having over 2300 people in a contest that pays out 10 spots like btp is too much. people don't want contests where they have a less than 1 in 200 chance of a season-ending prize.

[SportsMushroom]

I've said it multiple times, take the points system completely away. FROM EVERYONE. That will knock 75% of the people off the board. But then how will SBR survive with not alot of traffic on the site? So take away points all together from the Non-PROS, only give out benefits to the PRO's since, I'd like to think that SBR PRO's make the site more money than non Pro's.

I am sure sbr will survive without the points system, non pros get points but cannot use them, so essentially they do not receive points but keep posting

I think if sbr points are stopped only the scum that is here for the free shit will leave


non pros are the majority of sbr, 95% a pro said in this thread

sbr makes money through traffic, no non pros = no traffic = no advertisers= no money

[milwaukee mike]

The program works great for non Pros. They can take some shots or save their points and get a shirt or a Nike cap. Of course supporting members are ordering over 300 pizzas and nearly 20 iPads and a bunch of other stuff a month. It's taken some massaging but there is a nice balance right now imho.

20 ipads a month ARRGHH why'd you have to bring that up? i have been close to one of those about 6 times and always miss by one bet or lose it all in the casino...

[Ra77er]

The program works great for non Pros. They can take some shots or save their points and get a shirt or a Nike cap. Of course supporting members are ordering over 300 pizzas and nearly 20 iPads and a bunch of other stuff a month. It's taken some massaging but there is a nice balance right now imho.

Sounds like a politician

[SportsMushroom]

i would agree with this entirely. non-pros can't use the points anyway, so all it does is add to the amount of people in contests/poker tournaments/etc and take away benefits from the pros. having over 2300 people in a contest that pays out 10 spots like btp is too much. people don't want contests where they have a less than 1 in 200 chance of a season-ending prize.

points are worthless to non pros, so they dont cost anything to sbr

but if they take those points from non pros and give them to pros they will suddenly cost something to sbr

decreasing point giveaways is proof that sbr was giving out points they could not afford, doing what you are suggesting would be counterintuitive for sbr and wont happen

also you need to give new members a taste of the points system, to entice them to go pro

[doublej95]

So sporty you have never seen threads like "How come I can only buy an SBR T-shirt from the store." I'm at work now but when I get home I will find you some. The point is Sporty the people that do take part in the SBR PRO program have the right to voice there opinion. Just like in the business world companies like it or not have to take their customers opinions into account to better their product

[ngates815]

The program works great for non Pros. They can take some shots or save their points and get a shirt or a Nike cap. Of course supporting members are ordering over 300 pizzas and nearly 20 iPads and a bunch of other stuff a month. It's taken some massaging but there is a nice balance right now imho.

Pretty simple, quit offering Ipad2's for a royal flush. People are already getting points for poker tournaments, now you're giving them even more?

You guys are way too generous with your handouts.

[mh217]

You do realize that you are on here at 3 in the morning transferring the points to the sportsbook every day....But yes us PRO's are the real losers. You do realize that us PRO's get to play in shitty Poker tournaments for free, I mean nothing like making work go a little quicker by playing some free poker. I mean US LOSERS deposit money into the sportsbooks anyways, so while were at it, why not get a couple extra incentives? Makes sense to some people, but yes us LOSERS aren't very smart for getting something extra for nothing...

bunch of petty mickey mouse crap to me..enjoy your free poker tourneys..sbr is cool for talking about gambling and having a few laughs thats about it