Wall Street Journal/ABC poll: Herman Cain new GOP leader

[MartinBlank]

Now that's funny.

Oh, can you imagine Cain v. Obama?

(NEW YORK) -- Nine-nine-nine is now number one with GOP voters: former Godfather's Pizza CEO Herman Cain is now the top pick among the other seven GOP White House hopefuls in the latest NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll.

Cain's idea of getting rid of the tax code with a nine percent national sales tax and a nine percent levy on personal and corporate income has apparently resonated with voters, as he now leads the pack with 27 percent compared to 23 percent for former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney and 16 percent for Texas Gov. Rick Perry.

The third place showing for Perry is a huge comedown for the candidate many thought would sweep Republicans off their feet. In the last survey conducted in late August, he led with 38 percent while Cain was only registering in the single digits.

While their fortunes have reversed, Republican pollster Bill McInturff said the campaign remains volatile and there could be a new leader by the time the next poll is conducted

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[Holtgetsback]

we will never see a new successful white politician again.

mark my words

[CarpeDime]

I would LOVE to see Cain vs Obama, that would be nothing short of awesome on many levels, but it will never never happen

Romney is the corporate guy, Romney will get the nomination, and probably wind up beating Obama assuming the corps bankroll him with as much as it will take

Polls mean zero, prediction markets are what matter, Romney is near -200 in them, Cain is like +850, and if I had a freeplay on it right now I'd throw it on Romney no brainer no question:

http://www.predictwise.com/politics/2012presidentrepublicannomination

[Glitch]

romney is not only the corporate guy but even though people think mormonism is weird and wrong, they acknowledge that it has likely given him some high moral standards.

[jrmartin.mig]

I would love to see Cain get the nod, I think he has a lot of great things going for him, but in a White Republican Party he has no chance. Truth be told I would bet a good amount that Cain has become the medias new toy to get the peoples minds off of Ron Paul. They know that Cain has no chance of getting the nod, so if they start throwing him out as the new "peoples choice", then people will start to forget about Paul again, thinking he has no chance. We are all pawns in a really big game that we have no control over.

[jarvol]

romney is not only the corporate guy but even though people think mormonism is weird and wrong, they acknowledge that it has likely given him some high moral standards.

Alot of people also think Christianity, Judaism, and Islam are weird and wrong too.

[Waterstpub87]

Alot of people also think Christianity, Judaism, and Islam are weird and wrong too.

And the average American voter isn't one of them. It wasn't an intolerant statement he made, just a fact. Many people do have a problem with Mormonism and it is something that Romney will have to overcome.

[laclippers504]

I'm not a huge follower of polotics but this might be the best shot of getting Obama out of office wouldn't you say?

[jrmartin.mig]

I'm not a huge follower of polotics but this might be the best shot of getting Obama out of office wouldn't you say?

Depends on if the welfare crowd hops on the bus to the polls when the election rolls around. There is going to be a lot said about 9-9-9, and it very well may make leeches of American society who not only pay no taxes but in many cases get refunds from the gov't above and beyond anything they may pay have to pay something. Probably not, but you never know. This is not going to go over at all for that half of "I got Obama elected group". The other half is the college student still living off their parents thinking this might be the second coming of the '60s. Once again, I love a lot of what Cain has to say, but I just dont think that he has what it takes to get Obama out of office. I truely think the only one that can captivate enought of the vote is Ron Paul and Cain is the puppet to make the rest of you forget that.

[Ricki Roma]

Dont matter cause no one is beating obama.

[andywend]

we will never see a new successful white politician again.

mark my words

we will never see a new successful BLACK politician again, mark my words. I think the citizens of the U.S. have now realized that affirmative action doesn't work, especially when you're talking about the President of the United States.

Dont matter cause no one is beating obama.

If you feel that way, then step up to the plate and put your money where your mouth is. Since Obama is an underdog to win re-election, you're most certainly getting a fair price.

[pavyracer]

Herman Cain is the real deal. The sooner people realize he is the only politician from both parties that has a plan to save the country from bankruptcy the better. He has my vote 100%. Enough with the Romneys and the Obamas of the world. Herman Cain will be your next president whether you like it or not.

[Ricki Roma]

I wouldnt mind laying cash at all on obama.

[Ricki Roma]

we will never see a new successful BLACK politician again, mark my words. [/FONT]

Whats someones race got to do with it?

[CarpeDime]

Dont matter cause no one is beating obama.

not true at all

elections will be different now with the Citizens United thing

basically, whatever horse corporate money backs will win, it will always be able to overwhelm whatever opposition there might be

if corporate money wants obama beaten, he will be, take it to the bank

[Naz18]

Whats someones race got to do with it?

Don't worry about the clueless racist...

[CarpeDime]

Herman Cain is the real deal. The sooner people realize he is the only politician from both parties that has a plan to save the country from bankruptcy the better. He has my vote 100%. Enough with the Romneys and the Obamas of the world. Herman Cain will be your next president whether you like it or not.

zero chance

I'd give +1000 on him just to be the repub nominee

[JohnGalt2341]

Outside of Gary Johnson and Ron Paul... Cain is the next best choice.

[jgilmartin]

Outside of Gary Johnson and Ron Paul... Cain is the next best choice.

[andywend]

Don't worry about the clueless racist...

This is the double standard shown by left-wingers like Naz18 (who are the absolute worst scum on planet Earth). When someone who is colored makes a statement like "we will never see a new successful white politician again. mark my words", they read it and have no problem with the obvious racism shown by the statement.

However, when you change 1 WORD of that statement (white changed to black), these liberal idiots bring out the race card. I specifically changed the statement offered by Holtgetsback by one word to confirm it.

For whatever its worth, I would vote for Herman Cain in a New York minute. Instead of dividing the races the way Obama does, Cain could bring everyone together.

The main difference between black democrats and black republican politicians is that black democrats try and agitate their own race by telling them that whites are the reason for all of their problems in life. The few black republican politicians tell blacks they can do every bit as well as whites if they stop all the "we were enslaved and are owed" crap.

What's someone race got to do with it?

Ricki Roma, why didn't you ask the very same question regarding Holtgetsback's post? Is it acceptable to you to be racist against white people but NOT black people? By definition, that makes YOU and Naz18 the true racists.

[Ricki Roma]

Dont you think thats kind of a steretypical? Its not as blk and white as you make it seem..

Btw I thought the "never will there be another white successful politican" comment sounded hilarious, and I thought ur comment was too except you put more detail in,what you had to say it made seem you were serious.

[ebbearsfb1]

i heard he got the 9-9-9 plan from sims city 4.






he's got my vote... now lets get that market going

[Inkwell77]

This is the double standard shown by left-wingers like Naz18 (who are the absolute worst scum on planet Earth). When someone who is colored makes a statement like "we will never see a new successful white politician again. mark my words", they read it and have no problem with the obvious racism shown by the statement.

Most sane people read the quote, "we will never see a new successful white politician again. mark my words," and just think, whoever said that is an idiot. At the same time only an idiot would take that statement seriously and would call the guy scum

[andywend]

"we will never see a new successful white politician again. mark my words"

"we will never see a new successful black politician again, mark my words"

Its amazing how liberal democrats have no objection to the former statement but find the latter statement racist.

[TheCentaur]

(NEW YORK) --
Cain's idea of getting rid of the tax code with a nine percent national sales tax and a nine percent levy on personal and corporate income has apparently resonated with voters, as he now leads the pack with 27 percent compared to 23 percent for former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney and 16 percent for Texas Gov. Rick Perry.

Fellow posters, there is a big difference between an idea and a proposal that has any chance of passing through congress. This has 0 chance of doing that. It stirs the pot and and get a lot of attention for a candidate, but if he got elected it would dissapear quicker than your points in the sbr casino.

Hey, I've got an idea, let's all pay no tax but with good conscience voluntarily pay a fair portion of our income to government for the services they provide. Let's see if congress will pass that.

I'm sure there are more huge obstacles to this 9-9-9 plan but I can think of two glaring ones right now:

-Tax Returns are the source of EIC payments for low income US citizens. I will not call them taxpayers because overall they do not pay, even when you include sales taxes and utilities, etc. after you account for the huge EIC payments they receive (many times around 50% of their income for the year). This is also frequently abused and cheated, and a huge "leak" in our economy. Those riots in England would look like a town fair compared to what would happen if this was taken away.

-The tax code is an effective way for the government to control the behavior of it's citizens. Go to school, get a tax credit. Buy a house, deduct home mortgage interest. Hold capital investments more than 12 months, get the low long term capital gains tax rate. And on, and on, and on. Those hundreds and hundreds of pages of the tax code are meticulously written to influence your activities, and there is no way this power will be given up any time soon.

Also, for the religious sbr posters, 9-9-9 is 6-6-6 upside down, and this means Cain is probably the antichrist.

[RonPaul2008]

Outside of Gary Johnson and Ron Paul... Cain is the next best choice.

Why? Herman Cain is just another establishment asshole.

[BookiesBernanke]

This is the man that brought us the Godfathers Double Down Deal (2 large pizzas for 9.99)
possibly the single greatest pizza deal ever

he is a hero

[Flashmo]

romney is not only the corporate guy but even though people think mormonism is weird and wrong, they acknowledge that it has likely given him some high moral standards.

who thinks Mormonism is weird and wrong? Muslims? Catholics? Protestants? Liberals? That has to be one of the most ignorant statements I have seen here...what's weird or wrong with it? I'm a Jew and I could care less..oh yeah...you progressives are against religious freedom

[Tech N9ne]

Sarah Palin would fukk him

[wantitall4moi]

The president is meaningless these days, so many special interest groups and political parties are 100% the same once they stop trying to elect people on some antiquated and make believe 'party platform'. But the itony is that when they have to vote on something they tend to vote strict party line. Mostly due to them all being the targetsof people with money making sure they vote the right way when they actually have to. Most people dont even vote they have some asistant do it for them. Only time they bother to show up if if they get paid by someone with an agenda and the vote might be close and maybe not directly down party line so they sway as many others as they can.

While our system of government was once one of the best it has followed the path all great empires have and has become corrupt and a cesspool for 'professional' politicians. The countries population is to large, not enough people vote, even less care and thus you have the people with money influencing politics way too much. Only time people vote is when a major league social issue comes around, and even then numbers arent that impressive.

It wont matter who is in the White House things wont get done. Because eventually whomever gets elected is either hogtied by Congress, or the Senate or both, or bows to other political or financial pressure and compromises on everything he claimed he was going to do inthe first place.

Obama is and was an unmitigated failure, zero experience and zero ability to even come close to being a reasonable president. But it was a nice social experiment and got away from the 'norm', I think now people realize that just because a guy s different doesnt make them the right guy for the job. He MIGHT get re-elected again simply because he is already there and most people wont care enough to want him out ot go vote against him. That and the republicans still have a negative stigma overall.

Romney would probably make a decent president, mostly because he is maybe a democrat in republicans clothing, and would be able to make changes based on his personal feelings rather than pressure. People in Mass might not like him too much, but looking back in hindsight some of the stuff he did has actually helped going forward as the whole country is in an economic meltdown.

Bottomline is when the whole world is going to hell trying to pull a country out of the fire that has been living on borrowed time since the 60s probably is a tough road to hoe. And no matter what I doubt any one that is electable is tough enough for the job.

[BookiesBernanke]

who thinks Mormonism is weird and wrong? Muslims? Catholics? Protestants? Liberals? ...what's weird or wrong with it? I'm a Jew and I could care less..

[daneblazer]

[TheCentaur]

who thinks Mormonism is weird and wrong? Muslims? Catholics? Protestants? Liberals? That has to be one of the most ignorant statements I have seen here...what's weird or wrong with it? I'm a Jew and I could care less

So you mean you do care?

[Glitch]

who thinks Mormonism is weird and wrong? Muslims? Catholics? Protestants? Liberals? That has to be one of the most ignorant statements I have seen here...what's weird or wrong with it? I'm a Jew and I could care less..oh yeah...you progressives are against religious freedom

some people do. if you do not realize this- you are the ignorant one. fukkin moron.

[Flashmo]

some people do. if you do not realize this- you are the ignorant one. fukkin moron.

Yet another moronic, idiotic statement from someone who has Michael Moore as his avatar..LMAO!! keep going-with any kind of luck you can have another 8700 posts of dribble