Interesting Wonderlic Scores (Race Stats)

[Glitch]

you are an idiot.

i am using facts and information. you are just perpetuating hate talk.

im not saying youre racist- i am saying you are misinformed and small-minded. this can lead to racism. be careful guy.

[Glitch]

rick santorum 2012.

[iifold]

not sure what words were too big but lets simplify here.

1. there are multiple ways to measure the multiple different types of intelligence.
2. many minorities and inner city youth are put at a disadvantage (that they can overcome) automatically as a result of their upbringing. This is not because their brains dont have the right parts.
3. greg mcelroy is a genius and a
winner (on good teams through HS and
college). but his instincts did not lead
him to make the good QB play in that
posted video at the bottom of page 1. in fact, many would say thats the stupidest
football play theyve seen in a long
time.

Actually,

Blacks have a stronger "herd mentality" than any other race. This is why they do so bad in classrooms filled with other blacks...

This is why when you take one black and put them in a class with all whites, they excel...

Does it make me a racist because I know this? No

Does it make you an idiot because your not from the streets and can't understand this? No

What makes you an idiot is that you make shit up to cover up what I just taught you...

You wanna keep getting buried?

[SportsMushroom]

This does not mean that because an individual has more pigment in their skin that their brain functions at a lower potential capacity. ........................

I believe that blacks are just as intelligent than whites but I believe your argument does not make sense

please tell me if you believe these statements to be true:

a) Black people are superior athletes to white people.

b) Black people have larger penises than white people.

If a and b are true, if the color of your skin can be an indicator that you are a better athlete and have bigger genitals than someone of a different skin color, then you cant argue that skin color can not be an indication of potential intelligence.

Unless you want to sit here and argue with me that whites are just as athletically gifted as blacks.

[Glitch]

ill be back in maybe 40 minutes.

[iifold]

ill be back in maybe 40 minutes.

You won't find a text book smarter than me...

I lived it...

You just read what some other crook like yourself made up...

[Glitch]

I believe that blacks are just as intelligent than whites but I believe your argument does not make sense

please tell me if you believe these statements to be true:

a) Black people are superior athletes to white people.

b) Black people have larger penises than white people.

If a and b are true, if the color of your skin can be an indicator that you are a better athlete and have bigger genitals than someone of a different skin color, then you cant argue that skin color can not be an indication of potential intelligence.

Unless you want to sit here and argue with me that whites are just as athletically gifted as blacks.

a)it does appear that the 'black man' is at a genetic advantage athletically on average. i am not saying everyone is the same- but comparing physical to mental is comparing apples to oranges.

b)yes the average black man has a larger penis than the average white man who has a larger penis than the average asian- i would speculate from what ive heard and from watching pornography.

HOWEVER...

It is not their skin color. it is genes that were passed down. you can easily measure what phyiscal aspects and characteristics are passed down. unfortunately it is not so simple measuring potential intellectual acumen. The wonderlic test, contesting on Jeopardy, the SATs, the ACTs, and sbr trivia are not good measuring sticks for the above-stated reasons and more.

You won't find a text book smarter than me...

I lived it...

You just read what some other crook like yourself made up...

what part of any of this is from a text book or from reading something from a crook?

[Mr Handicapable]

Feel like I just woke up in Mississippi in 1894.

I feel that way too but at the same time....if you ignore facts that doesn't make it go away. Its funny how you'll occasionally meet someone born in Africa over here and they're well spoken. Only black people can put their house in order with 2 parent households and emphasizing education to their kids.

[Mr Handicapable]

Excuses are like a$$holes...everybody has one! You don't think Asians suffer descrimination? They just ignore it and start hammering their computers. Thats why I'm considering voting for Herman Cain if we wins the nomination. Fool me once with BHO!

[Glitch]

Actually,

Blacks have a stronger "herd mentality" than any other race. This is why they do so bad in classrooms filled with other blacks...
This is why when you take one black and put them in a class with all whites, they excel...
Does it make me a racist because I know this? No
Does it make you an idiot because your not from the streets and can't understand this? No
What makes you an idiot is that you make shit up to cover up what I just taught you...
You wanna keep getting buried?

so you are not saying their mental capacity is lower, you are saying their environmental circumstances put them at an academic disadvantage for whatever reason. got it. then we agree on this.

im not the one getting buried here guy. youre saying the same things i already said. and just adding some stereotypes and comments that highlight your defensiveness and delusion of grandeur.

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[crustyme]

meanwhile.... black qbs have won more super bowls than marino, kelly and fouts combined.

[SportsMushroom]

HOWEVER... It is not their skin color. it is genes that were passed down. you can easily measure what phyiscal aspects and characteristics are passed down. unfortunately it is not so simple measuring potential intellectual acumen.

I agree in that it is not simple measuring potential intellectual acumen

but it is simply observed

through the centuries whites have been the frontrunners in scientific, social and technological advancement

blacks are dominating in many aspects of modern society like sports, music and media in general, black people are very talented as a race

but as a race, caucasians can brag about giving birth to and advancing western civilization, science and democracy

[iifold]

so you are not saying their mental capacity is lower, you are saying their environmental circumstances put them at an academic disadvantage for whatever reason. got it. then we agree on this.

im not the one getting buried here guy. youre saying the same things i already said. and just adding some stereotypes and comments that highlight your defensiveness and delusion of grandeur.

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Glitch,

Asians are smarter than Blacks...Everyone knows this, why do you keep trying to argue it???

Are you some kind of teacher trying to scam the government out of more "grant" money to prove something that isn't true...

For whatever reason, too much sun (not learning to build shelter/ living in hot climates) is not good for the humans mental growth... This is why people with paler skin usually have higher IQ's...

On the flip side, people with darker skin are usually better athletes (no shelter/ always outside staying active)...

This is from 100's of thousands of years of evolution, not because they didn't have text books or basketball courts in their neighborhoods..

Quit being such a dunce...

Why do so many black fathers not stick around and raise their children? Is it because they weren't "taught" how to be a father? It's a fukkin instinctual trait...

Go to your nearest grocery store, let me know how many Black men you see in there with a cart full of food for his family...

Enough of the fukkin bullshit... It stops now...

And by the way, if every black in America was to read this post, it would do more for the blacks of America than Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton could ever do in 100 lifetimes..

[AL1322]

those 15 questions were easy as hell..i didnt even look at the answers and i got all of them right,lol..how can some people be so dumb lol...david garrard an 18 really lmao

[Glitch]

Glitch,

Asians are smarter than Blacks...Everyone knows this, why do you keep trying to argue it???
...

asians are smarter than everybody. i did not argue against this. the questions this thread pose are why and how much of that is genetic and how much of that is their upbringing.

[iifold]

Glitch,

Now you're just back peddling...

Look,

All races are different and have strengths and weaknesses, No Big Deal...

If you want society to move forward, we will accept these differences and learn from them...

If you want to keep making excuses for some, and blaming others... Well, were gonna end up going in circles and falling behind the rest of the world (China)

Your way isn't working...

[Glitch]

im not back-pedaling. you have to chose one. are you saying they are genetically inferior or are you saying this disparity is a product of their respective environments and upbringing.

[Sunde91]

this isn't even debateable

there was a thread about this a few months back

some of the lowest scores from QBs ever recorded

Donovan McNaab - 14
Tavaris Jackson - 19
Vince Young - 15
Kent Smith - 16
Michael Bishop - 10
Ted White -12
Marcus Vick - 11
Michael Vick -20
David Garrard - 14
Romaro Miller - 11
Oscar Davenport- 6
Steve McNair - 15

blacks are better athletes - acceptable to say
blacks are not as smart - the #1 taboo of the modern day

[Glitch]

Glitch,
Now you're just back peddling...
Look,
All races are different and have strengths and weaknesses, No Big Deal...
If you want society to move forward, we will accept these differences and learn from them...
If you want to keep making excuses for some, and blaming others... Well, were gonna end up going in circles and falling behind the rest of the world (China)
Your way isn't working...

there are differences that are prevalent but people are largely the same.

culturally people are different, i am moving forward and the world is moving forward whether you like it or not, or whether you want to believe one thing or another.

you are the one that has to catch up with the times. it is sad that you dont seem to comprehend much of what i am saying so you likely will not learn much. this is not meant as an insult, maybe i am using big words or something like you said.

[Glitch]

this isn't even debateable
there was a thread about this a few months back
some of the lowest scores from QBs ever recorded
Donovan McNaab - 14
Tavaris Jackson - 19
Vince Young - 15
Kent Smith - 16
Michael Bishop - 10
Ted White -12
Marcus Vick - 11
Michael Vick -20
David Garrard - 14
Romaro Miller - 11
Oscar Davenport- 6
Steve McNair - 15

blacks are better athletes - acceptable to say
blacks are not as smart - the #1 taboo of the modern day

the numbers are the numbers; you are right that they do not lie.

how many charts did you guys need to stumble upon the harsh realization that is the indirect difference in educational opportunity? careful, your actual response could support some ideals behind affirmative action.


the wonderlic test does not measure quarterbacking or even quarterback decision-making and comprehension.
it should be used as it is. a tool that can help support a theory that someone can have these components.

there are many types of intelligence and a trivial and academic test does not = "blacks are not as smart"

[iifold]

im not back-pedaling. you have to chose one. are you saying they are genetically inferior or are you saying this disparity is a product of their respective environments and upbringing.

Are you really this dumb?

Your leading questions to make people look like racists might work with other people.. but not me.. I have no problem telling the truth, because deep down I'm not the racist looking to fukk the system. I actually want to see black people do better...

but for them to do better as people and a race, they first need to identify what they need to improve.. Crooks like you do nothing to help them, you just use them to further your agenda or get what you want...

Look, before your liberal teacher taught you how to mislead people, before you even knew who Rodney King was, before the race riots, before slavery...

THERE WERE BLACK PEOPLE...

what were they doing before the "white man" brought them to this hell hole called the United States?

With their unmatched mental capacity, what were they doing? What was the name of their empire?

You are a con-artist and should be fired if you are a teacher...

[Glitch]

Are you really this dumb?

Your leading questions to make people look like racists might work with other people.. but not me.. I have no problem telling the truth, because deep down I'm not the racist looking to fukk the system. I actually want to see black people do better...

but for them to do better as people and a race, they first need to identify what they need to improve.. Crooks like you do nothing to help them, you just use them to further your agenda or get what you want...

Look, before your liberal teacher taught you how to mislead people, before you even knew who Rodney King was, before the race riots, before slavery...

THERE WERE BLACK PEOPLE...

what were they doing before the "white man" brought them to this hell hole called the United States?

With their unmatched mental capacity, what were they doing? What was the name of their empire?

You are a con-artist and should be fired if you are a teacher...

they need welfare to work programs, job opportunities, an educational system that functions properly where "a few bad apples cant spoil the whole bunch" funding etc.

They need job opportunities that are assisted by incentive instead of discouraged through hateful stereotypes like those that you provide here.

you want to continue calling people liberals because they dont share that default "conservative" mindset that some like to confuse with racism. sad.

Rep. Candidate Rick Santorum has lots of 'welfare to work programs' experience and success, understands the value of education and has always displayed a fiscally responsible agenda even in unpopular situations. Thats why i support him.

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what were they doing? living in a way that we see as primative. they were content enough dwelling in peace on the richest continent on earth.

you're not smarter because you were taught more science and technology. People are products of their environments.

There is no trick question. choose one or the other. you are the one back-pedaling. flip-flopping if you will.

[Sunde91]

so you assume none of those QBs had the same "educational opportunity" because they are black...all blacks are poor from the ghetto while all whites get private tutors and prep school, right? lol

explain why high school test scores are lower within the same school if it's education. same teachers, same books,

[Glitch]

so you assume none of those QBs had the same "educational opportunity" because they are black...all blacks are poor from the ghetto while all whites get private tutors and prep school, right? lol

explain why high school test scores are lower within the same school if it's education. same teachers, same books,

no i dont assume anything of the sort. i am telling you this very small sample size is 1. small and 2. affected by the fact that this general academic disparity and cultural difference exist.

there are lots of reasons other than they are stupid as to why someone can do poorly on such a test.

[iifold]

no i dont assume anything of the sort. i am telling you this very small sample size is 1. small and 2. affected by the fact that this general academic disparity and cultural difference exist.

there are lots of reasons other than they are stupid as to why someone can do poorly on such a test.

The funniest thing about all this is...

Guys like Glitch are making the laws for this country, and guys like me and Sunde are trying to find the best number in the Vanderbilt game this week...

You're a con artist glitch, you know it... I know it... and I bet your colleagues even know it... but they all turn a blind eye because everyone's gettin' paid huh..

[Glitch]

guys like glitch like the over in that game.

im about as much a con artist as ron paul is.

we both just look at things outside the box.

[asdfghasdfgh]

Are you really this dumb?

Your leading questions to make people look like racists might work with other people.. but not me.. I have no problem telling the truth, because deep down I'm not the racist looking to fukk the system. I actually want to see black people do better...

but for them to do better as people and a race, they first need to identify what they need to improve.. Crooks like you do nothing to help them, you just use them to further your agenda or get what you want...
...
With their unmatched mental capacity, what were they doing? What was the name of their empire?

You are a con-artist and should be fired if you are a teacher...

Resorting to ad hominem and strawman arguments doesn't make you right. I read through your argument with Glitch and it's just him presenting valid points and you backfiring with "Well, you're just a brainwashed LIBERAL you racist, get some street smarts! You're just a dumb liberal you liberal, stop being so brainwashed you stupid liberal!" You misinterpreted a lot of what he said and it seems you have some sort of agenda against "liberals" (whatever the hell that means) and insist on pushing it on others.

The fact of the matter is, some people are dumber than others. This can be because of either genetics or the environment they were raised in, it's hard to pinpoint.

Black athletes tend to be stupid, yes. White athletes tend to be stupid too. They weren't recruited so they could score highly on some arbitrary test with no practical applications on the football field. They were recruited because they're fast, or strong, or throw or catch a ball well. Knowing what months have equal amounts of sunlight has nothing to do with one's decision making skills.

This whole thread is stupid because it's just an exercise in race baiting and confirmation bias.

[jsmithj88]

Excuses are like a$$holes...everybody has one! You don't think Asians suffer descrimination? They just ignore it and start hammering their computers. Thats why I'm considering voting for Herman Cain if we wins the nomination. Fool me once with BHO!

y is it black people have a lotta excuses as to y they havent excelled in america?
yet asians will come over and within 1 generation, become affluent and have good jobs?

[Glitch]

Stigma. Culture and society. The status quo. There are lots of explanations for a perceived lack of satisfactory progression.

This whole thread is stupid.

1. athletes dont care about the wonderlic and it only measures "book smarts" and fact memorization.

2. there are lots of possible reasons for the differences in scores.

[iifold]

Stigma. Culture and society. The status quo. There are lots of explanations for a perceived lack of satisfactory progression.

This whole thread is stupid.

1. athletes dont care about the wonderlic and it only measures "book smarts" and fact memorization.

2. there are lots of possible reasons for the differences in scores.

You are "book smart"...

The wonderlic gauges "common fukkin sense"...

Something YOU and these black QB's obviously have problems with...

Andrew Luck can read a defense pre-snap, process how much time he will have in the pocket on the fly, look off safties, and know exactly where to throw the ball to a receiver coming over the middle that isn't even in his peripheral vision yet...

This is what is expected of a good NFL QB...

The black people you are disrespecting by trying to bullshit an excuse for can't even pass a test...let alone do what I just explained above...

[jsmithj88]

i believe that main reason y black people are still where they are today is due more to environmental issues than brain power. asians live in powerty in china, vietnam, thailand, cambodia, etc ....
it far worse than wats going on in america. im not gonna sit here and believe that blacks have such a low intellect that causes the majority of them to be in poverty. there are people overseas that would literally their left arms to go to school. but u cant say the same within the black community. how many asians have u met that dont perform well in school? im sure they are out there, but the majority, they are fine.

[Glitch]

if socially ones culture does not readily promote and encourage strong educational values, they will be less likely to pursue and acquire this academic knowledge. This will occur regardless of their ethnicity or poverty level.

and there are many poor/"unsuccessful" asians in asia and plenty that are in the US and that do poorly in school. I speculate that there are even some that killed themselves because they didnt feel like they could live up to the strict standards and expectancy of these stereotypes.

[SHADYLANKY]

I know McNabb didn't grow up in the hood or broke and his score is still sad. Kind of surprised me actually but I'm not a fan of his. I know one guy small sample blah blah blah. I don't really care either way. I really don't even know why I read this thread or posted in it.

[iifold]

I know McNabb didn't grow up in the hood or broke and his score is still sad. Kind of surprised me actually but I'm not a fan of his. I know one guy small sample blah blah blah. I don't really care either way. I really don't even know why I read this thread or posted in it.

You're not supposed to respond...

You're supposed to stay in line and let the liberals turn America into a 3rd world nation...

This is just one of a million examples...

Women make just as good of soldiers as men...

Gays can make great cops...

Blacks can play QB just as well as whites...

What in the fukk ever happened to the most qualified getting the job???

Now Kordell Stewart is on Sportsnation telling me how good Tim Tebow will be...


Unreal...

[8ArIvd5]

mods, please create a slap in the face emoticon.

thank you in advance.