Bears + 7 = Best Play in Football This Week

[Hootie500]

I agree Bears outright....

[tunaguitar76]

Just because they have 3 extra days to prepare for the bears doesn't mean that they're somehow gonna come up with a pass rush or a running game (both of which were nonexistent in week 1).

No, it does not.

Let me ask you this... if you are one of the saints coaches (idk why you would take that job though. the bears would obviously spot your talent and snatch you up) Anyway.. if times were tough and you were.. and you had problems in those areas last week. Isn't it possible that you might want to change things up? it's possible that knowing the Bears, with that magical and mysterious defense coming to town, the Saints may try and mix things up a bit to try and bridge the enormous gap. If for some reason they do that, I suppose three more days might be helpful in doing so. I think we both know the bears are like 99.9% to win this... duh... but things like this may be what people might mean when they say things like... "a bad spot".

And just because they're at home after a loss doesn't mean they're gonna play with a whole lot more intensity than the bears (who already play with more effort than any other team in football)

Do you have a tool for measuring this? Wasn't there a question about that with the Bears Qb.. it may have been around the playoffs.. Is that sorted out now?

[brahmabull117]

No, it does not. Let me ask you this... if you are one of the saints coaches (idk why you would take that job though. the bears would obviously spot your talent and snatch you up) Anyway.. if times were tough and you were.. and you had problems in those areas last week. Isn't it possible that you might want to change things up? it's possible that knowing the Bears, with that magical and mysterious defense coming to town, the Saints may try and mix things up a bit to try and bridge the enormous gap. If for some reason they do that, I suppose three more days might be helpful in doing so. I think we both know the bears are like 99.9% to win this... duh... but things like this may be what people might mean when they say things like... "a bad spot"

the problem is that a couple extra days of preparation has never been proven to be a significant advantage in sports. I heard alot of this same crap last year and it was never an advantage last year. It's just another betting urban myth, like "letdown games", "public betting trends", etc...

What's important in betting is matchups, talent, effort level, etc...

Do you have a tool for measuring this?

yea it's called eyes. The bears pursuit and all around effort is incredible on defense, special teams and offense. This team's personnell is average to below average at absolute best and they have been one of the best teams in football last 2 years

[goldengreek]

Threads like these is why I make money

GO SAINTS !!

[lakerboy]

Threads like these is why I make money

GO SAINTS !!

i took the saints at -7 for plus money. The Greek still hasnt moved. if the greek wont get off the -7 its blowout city.

[Hoja Verdes]

the bears run the same defensive scheme they have ran since lovi smith started here. I'm the biggest bears fan around and you don't really know what you're talking about

So technically it's a homer bet as well?

[DwightShrute]

Brian Urlacher may miss Sunday's game against the Saints due to a family emergency. (Tribune photo)



Tribune Staff 11:49 a.m. CDT, September 14, 2011

Brian Urlacher rushed out of town Tuesday to attend to a family emergency in Arizona involving his mother, the Tribune has learned.
Urlacher is expected to be away from the Bears for several days and his status for Sunday’s game against the Saints is unclear. Teammates, the coaching staff and members of the front office are aware of Urlacher’s situation but no further information was available Tuesday night.

[bilsonx_nc]

Saints are too explosive of an offense. Bears have good defense, but Brees does well even against good defense.

[suicidekings]

the saints had just 2 sacks last week and 1.5 of them were by safeties and linebackers (basically tells you that they have to blitz to get any pressure on the QB and that is a deadly recipe to get dominated through the air in modern day NFL). I mean yea the bears gave up 4 sacks last week but that was against a good defensive line of the falcons led by john abraham. The saints don't have anybody to get to the QB like abraham does

This is true. The Saints rely on the blitz a lot to put pressure on the opposing QB. However, Cutler is NOT a top tier QB (Bears ranked 28th in passing last year) while the Saints have a top 5 defense against passing despite their heavy usage of the blitz. On the ground, Chicago's rush is not particularly strong (although I love Forte). On the other end, New Orleans features a top 5 passing offense while Chicago's secondary is average. If Brees can throw for 419 yards against a top 5 GB secondary, then the Bears will have a hard time stopping him.

And I don't understand how anyone thinks this isn't a bad matchup for the Bears. Cutler got sacked 52 times last season and threw 16 interceptions in 15 games (5 sacks & 1 interception last week). The Saints have a very good secondary that will be able to control the Bears receivers, and NO will pressure Cutler all game long, collecting no less than 3-4 sacks. Brees will be able to pick apart the Bears secondary.

Finally, the Bears are coming off a big home win while the Saints are coming off a very tough loss to the SB champs in which they played extremely well, falling just short on the final play of the game. This disappointment followed a shortened offseason where Brees established an intense practice regimen geared towards pushing the Saints back up to the level at which they played two seasons ago. This is a team that has the tools to return to the superbowl and in their home opener, they will play at a very high intensity level.

[McBa1n]

All signs points NO, so no way I'm playing this game.
The Bears are better than people give them credit for. They DID get to the Championship for the NFC last year.
I kinda like them points, myself.

[chantrain]

This is true. The Saints rely on the blitz a lot to put pressure on the opposing QB. However, Cutler is NOT a top tier QB (Bears ranked 28th in passing last year) while the Saints have a top 5 defense against passing despite their heavy usage of the blitz. On the ground, Chicago's rush is not particularly strong (although I love Forte). On the other end, New Orleans features a top 5 passing offense while Chicago's secondary is average. If Brees can throw for 419 yards against a top 5 GB secondary, then the Bears will have a hard time stopping him.

And I don't understand how anyone thinks this isn't a bad matchup for the Bears. Cutler got sacked 52 times last season and threw 16 interceptions in 15 games (5 sacks & 1 interception last week). The Saints have a very good secondary that will be able to control the Bears receivers, and NO will pressure Cutler all game long, collecting no less than 3-4 sacks. Brees will be able to pick apart the Bears secondary.

Finally, the Bears are coming off a big home win while the Saints are coming off a very tough loss to the SB champs in which they played extremely well, falling just short on the final play of the game. This disappointment followed a shortened offseason where Brees established an intense practice regimen geared towards pushing the Saints back up to the level at which they played two seasons ago. This is a team that has the tools to return to the superbowl and in their home opener, they will play at a very high intensity level.

Here's why last years interceptions are not indicative of what will happen this year: Jays mechanics have changed. He came to camp 15 pounds lighter and with improved mechanics that made Martz "giddy". He no longer throws off his back foot. Most of last years interceptions came from throwing to one guy: Johnny Knox. Knox is notorious amongst Bears fans for being easily pushed around and not fighting for the ball.

This year the receivers are more familiar with the martz system and running their routes, there will be less confusion and more receivers getting open. Cutler has a multitude of targets to choose from including his new TE's. Bears fans will tell you that the offense has looked very good thus far in week 1 and the pre-season. Quotes from guys like Forte, Earl Bennett and Jay will back up how confident they are in the offense this season.

[Greyraptor]

Here's why last years interceptions are not indicative of what will happen this year: Jays mechanics have changed. He came to camp 15 pounds lighter and with improved mechanics that made Martz "giddy". He no longer throws off his back foot. Most of last years interceptions came from throwing to one guy: Johnny Knox. Knox is notorious amongst Bears fans for being easily pushed around and not fighting for the ball.

This year the receivers are more familiar with the martz system and running their routes, there will be less confusion and more receivers getting open. Cutler has a multitude of targets to choose from including his new TE's. Bears fans will tell you that the offense has looked very good thus far in week 1 and the pre-season. Quotes from guys like Forte, Earl Bennett and Jay will back up how confident they are in the offense this season.

In week 1, Forte had 90 yards receiving and 68 yards rushing for a very balanced attack. I hope that is not an aberration but a portent of things to come from him. 60 yards a piece from Knox and Hester and 55 more from Williams shows that Cutler was able to spread it out pretty evenly amongst his receiving corp. I didn't see the game so I am not sure when the 2 receptions for each of the TE's came but if they were timely and moved the chains, then I agree with your assessment of their usefulness in the Martz offense.

[chantrain]

Yep. In Week 1, Cutler spread the ball around to everyone. It made the Falcons defense unsure of how to defend.

Cutler threw to Forte 5 times, Knox 3 times, Hester 3 times, Roy 4 times, K.Davis 2 times, Bennett 2 times, Spaeth 2 times, Sanzenbacher 1 time

Very balanced attack. Notice he basically has 5 WR's to throw to and he hits them all, he also throws to Forte the RB and two TE's. So he's got a lot of options

[bigsmitty]

I think Suicidekings does a good job summarizing. I took NO -6.5, in agreement with his points. I despise Cutler (but like the Bears) but do my best to be impartial in wagers. Good luck

[hubie69]

This...Well said sir

[Fed_42420]

[Fed_42420]

Saints win big. Books know it and want people thinking I can tease the bears to 14 and have a lock. Saints by 17+

[Educ8d Degener8]

the bears were the better team last year and they've been the better team this year


how the fukk are the saints 3 point favorites on a neutral field?? are u kidding me??

Based on one game...

Where the Saints played tight with the reigning, defending SB champs... on the road.

and

Where the Bears hosted the Falcons...


Interesting extrapolation

[thechaoz]

Lock of the century is Pittsburgh vs Seattle ..id lay -10000 on that

[chantrain]

Saints win big. Books know it and want people thinking I can tease the bears to 14 and have a lock. Saints by 17+

take Saints -7 then, lol. Good luck you'll need it.

[d2bets]

Yep. In Week 1, Cutler spread the ball around to everyone. It made the Falcons defense unsure of how to defend.

Cutler threw to Forte 5 times, Knox 3 times, Hester 3 times, Roy 4 times, K.Davis 2 times, Bennett 2 times, Spaeth 2 times, Sanzenbacher 1 time

Very balanced attack. Notice he basically has 5 WR's to throw to and he hits them all, he also throws to Forte the RB and two TE's. So he's got a lot of options

Forte is the best pass catching RB in the league. He's a poor man's Marshall Faulk.

[chantrain]

yep, I agree. I think if you combine Forte's running, blocking and receiving abilities he has a case for being a top 10 running back in the NFL

[d2bets]

yep, I agree. I think if you combine Forte's running, blocking and receiving abilities he has a case for being a top 10 running back in the NFL

Absolutely, and more importantly, he's just a good fit for what Martz wants to do.

[brahmabull117]

Saints win big. Books know it and want people thinking I can tease the bears to 14 and have a lock. Saints by 17+

jesus christ how can there be so many retarded people in one thread?


the bears never lose by that much u idiot


they lost 1 game last year by more than 14 points (a game in a blizzard against the patriots) and just 2 games by more than 7 points



I love all these people with these wild blowout predictions against a team that always wins or loses very close. The saints aren't even all that good either. No pass rush, no running game and a secondary that played terrible in week 1



Bears win or lose by 3-4

[ehp6737]

Brahma is a bookies dream

[NardVa]

Saints win and cover. Bears are good on defense which will carry over on the road but they are suspect on offense which will not carry over on the road. Don't put to much stock in the Bears offense being high octane based of of the Atlanta game.

[chantrain]

All I can say is watch and learn. Bears offense will surprise a lot of people this year.

The more i look at it the more I think that Saints -7 is a sucker bet just like the Atlanta favorite. Saints are 0-4 against the Bears and in those 4 games Brees threw 7 touchdowns and got picked 6 times with a passer rating of 77.

[brahmabull117]

Saints win and cover. Bears are good on defense which will carry over on the road but they are suspect on offense which will not carry over on the road.

oh brother



the bears ATS record this season and last season as an underdog: 8-2




when will people learn???

[DrStale]

All I can say is watch and learn. Bears offense will surprise a lot of people this year.

The more i look at it the more I think that Saints -7 is a sucker bet just like the Atlanta favorite. Saints are 0-4 against the Bears and in those 4 games Brees threw 7 touchdowns and got picked 6 times with a passer rating of 77.

Yeah, especially Jay Cutler

[brahmabull117]

All I can say is watch and learn. Bears offense will surprise a lot of people this year. The more i look at it the more I think that Saints -7 is a sucker bet just like the Atlanta favorite. Saints are 0-4 against the Bears and in those 4 games Brees threw 7 touchdowns and got picked 6 times with a passer rating of 77.

people just have to keep losing and losing and losing betting against the bears before they understand


how many times did we see it last year??

[brahmabull117]

Yeah, especially Jay Cutler

Cutler has had a passer rating of at least 87 or better in 7 of his last 10 regular season games




oh and 2 of the games in which he did not, the bears still covered both spreads because of awesome defense and special teams

[crustyme]

pretty funny that a clown who is 1-10 in picks -170 or higher is dispensing advice like he's billy f'n walters.

[brahmabull117]

pretty funny that a clown who is 1-10 in picks -170 or higher is dispensing advice like he's billy f'n walters.

1-10??



I have a combined 14 or 15 losses in my last 60+ posted plays you fukking imbecile

[Educ8d Degener8]

jesus christ how can there be so many retarded people in one thread?
...

Speaking of retarded...

http://forum.sbrforum.com/players-talk/1264761-pound-milwaukee-182-a.html

[chantrain]

I don't care how many times brahma was wrong before if I think he's right this time.

I think thats a logical fallacy any way. If Hitler says something you agree with do you not listen to him just because he's Hitler?

sorry brahma but you're Hitler in my analogy