Special line for tommorow--Phillies +100

[kerrywoodwins20]

I know this because I bet on the Phillies ML with youwager and I just asked them on live chat a few hours ago if the bet still counted. They said yes....

[jaaquino01]

My bet on the Phillies/listed at 5 Dimes is still on......

My bet was for the listed pitcher to start (Oswalt, Hernandez) and is still on awaiting the outcome of the game.

[ehp6737]

Agreed. But according to sportsbooks he did start. If you had a wager on this game and took the listed pitchers optioin instead of just action; you would be paid as if Oswalt pitched. He is still on the lineup turned in and boxscore. All I was saying that in betting terms, he did start.

In betting terms he DID NOT start. For "listed pitcher" wagers books go by MLB pitching stats, not lineup entry, to determine if the pitcher was deemed to have "started" or not.

Here is the rule from Bookmaker's site


Pitcher Selection

Baseball wagers will be accepted in the following manner:



<DL><DT>Action<DD>Team against team, regardless of the starting pitcher. "Action" bets will be computed by the opening price with the new pitcher. A pitcher is deemed a starting pitcher after throwing one pitch.<DT>Overnight Baseball<DD>Due to scheduling changes, an overnight game may become part of a doubleheader. When this occurs, all overnight bets are action if originally listed pitchers square off in either game.<DT>One specified pitcher<DD>A wager on or against a specified pitcher, regardless of the other starting pitcher.<DT>Both specified pitchers (listed)<DD>If starting pitchers are not exactly as listed on betting display board and/or your ticket, your bet will be deemed "no action".<DT>Note:<DD>If there is a pitching change prior to the game, money odds may be adjusted. If one scheduled pitcher starts against any unscheduled pitcher, "action" wagers will be computed by the opening price with the new pitcher. A pitcher is deemed a starting pitcher after throwing one pitch.</DD></DL>

[jaaquino01]

I know this because I bet on the Phillies ML with youwager and I just asked them on live chat a few hours ago if the bet still counted. They said yes....

This should be true with any book.

[kerrywoodwins20]

No you are incorrect. That is what I'm trying to tell you. In betting terms he DID NOT start. For "listed pitcher" wagers books go by MLB pitching stats to determined if the pitcher was deemed to have "started" or not.

Here is the rule from Bookmaker's site


Pitcher Selection

Baseball wagers will be accepted in the following manner:
<dl><dt>Action</dt><dd>Team against team, regardless of the starting pitcher. "Action" bets will be computed by the opening price with the new pitcher. A pitcher is deemed a starting pitcher after throwing one pitch.</dd><dt>Overnight Baseball</dt><dd>Due to scheduling changes, an overnight game may become part of a doubleheader. When this occurs, all overnight bets are action if originally listed pitchers square off in either game.</dd><dt>One specified pitcher</dt><dd>A wager on or against a specified pitcher, regardless of the other starting pitcher.</dd><dt>Both specified pitchers (listed)</dt><dd>If starting pitchers are not exactly as listed on betting display board and/or your ticket, your bet will be deemed "no action".</dd><dt>Note:</dt><dd>If there is a pitching change prior to the game, money odds may be adjusted. If one scheduled pitcher starts against any unscheduled pitcher, "action" wagers will be computed by the opening price with the new pitcher. A pitcher is deemed a starting pitcher after throwing one pitch.</dd></dl>

What book is that? Youwager doesn't add that last sentence.

[BettingGeek]

Agreed. But according to sportsbooks he did start. If you had a wager on this game and took the listed pitchers optioin instead of just action; you would be paid as if Oswalt pitched. He is still on the lineup turned in and boxscore. All I was saying that in betting terms, he did start.

nvm

[jaaquino01]

I guess I am wrong. Lets see if I am paid on the phillies winning with listed pitcher.

[Mammon]

This may be a case where the books all change the rules. And no one gets action tonight. Most would not be happy with the money on Kendrick but at this point it looks like a winner.

[kerrywoodwins20]

This may be a case where the books all change the rules. And no one gets action tonight. Most would not be happy with the money on Kendrick but at this point it looks like a winner.

They already told me the wager stood, so at least I have their word. I print screened it.

[ehp6737]

I guess I am wrong. Lets see if I am paid on the phillies winning with listed pitcher.

Well wait and see what happens. My guess is that just because your wager is still "pending" doesnt mean it's considered action. Their software is probably waiting for the game to go official and then grade all wagers as win/loss/no action appropriately for each type of wager.

[ehp6737]

They already told me the wager stood, so at least I have their word. I print screened it.

Smart move. Becasue this is exactly the type of situation that the books like to exploit, hence most books having vague rules on this type of situation. This way they can claim either side of the fence.

[jaaquino01]

The only thing I can say that makes this unique is the fact that rain came in the middle of the first inning. Roy Oswalt did start the game. He was then taken out of the game when the rain ended over 2 hours later. I could be wrong but I don't think that MLB rules would have allowed him to be subbed back in the game for some rare instance. Technically he started and was taken out, even though he did not throw a pitch. Think about if the phillies happened to bat around in the first inning before the rain and Oswalt got an at bat and then did not pitch after the rain. What would the books say then? The rain makes this a case where I believe they would have counted Oswalt as the starter.

[kerrywoodwins20]

Smart move. Becasue this is exactly the type of situation that the books like to exploit, hence most books having vague rules on this type of situation. This way they can claim either side of the fence.

I could see them grading Phillies bets as No action and Nationals bets as losses. I don't trust these people too much.

[Mammon]

Anyone bet action and was there any adjusted line?

[neverstoppers23]

i bet the under today on the phils/was game was looking good in till the bottom of the 9th, two man on now, 0 out. here we go. buh-bye money

[Nats' Fan]

Nats might pull this one out.

[jaaquino01]

I never saw any adjusted line. I bet listed pitcher and my bet is pending.

[hezawizard]

same here, madson will fck it up, 4-3 now

[neverstoppers23]

4-3...... 2 out now one on. seriosuly ryan maddsen is going to have his worst game now? why is it when i bet on the best teams, phils and red-sox i lose, all the ******* time. never works out. even today. looking great, good rp, but nope. only hope i have is if they take maddsen out now, he doesn't have his stuff tonight :'(

[neverstoppers23]

1 out men on 2nd and third, just need a sac fly. FML FML FML FML FML

[hezawizard]

amazing, I have under 8.5, this roosterlicker will fck it up, he has bases loaded, jesus fck

[Mammon]

Everything but action will likely be cancelled.

[hezawizard]

he wil walk atleast one

[Nats' Fan]

Nats!!!

[hezawizard]

just my luck

[kerrywoodwins20]

damn, now I'm hoping my bet is canceled somehow.

[BettingGeek]

lol, it went over

[Nats' Fan]

Oh and by the way.. If the Nats do end up winning, you won't hear me complaining about my points. Because, Oswalt did not start.

[neverstoppers23]

laWL, LAWL LAWL LAWLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL, lost again. greaaaaaaaaaaat. FML. seriously, the impossible always happens to me, when i bet on the redsox they score 0 runs, 10 times in a row, when i bet on the phils under, their top closer ***** it up by giving up 3 singles back to back to back to one of the worst offenisve teams in the league. *pounds head on desk* *over and over again*

[neverstoppers23]

oo really i wonder if intertops will cancel it then?

[hezawizard]

good night all, what a waste of time, staying up just to see my under gets fckd up in the bottom of 9th by this, hm, dont knowhow to call him, he certainly aint pro player if you ask me

[kerrywoodwins20]

Oh and by the way.. If the Nats do end up winning, you won't hear me whining like a little girl about my points. Because, Oswalt did not start.

He did start dude. If the Phils had batted around before the rain delay, Oswalt would have hit.

[ehp6737]

Jason Stark was saying this will be the first time one pitcher "started" 2 games in a row in a very long time.

I was watching the Phils game and the announcers made a reference about Stark's tweet in reference to this........

Then 5 minutes later (after their stat geek researched it) they said it wont be his 2nd start in 2 games because he didnt throw a pitch, hence tonights game DOESNT COUNT AS A START........in reference to pitching stats......which is all anyone cares about because he's a pitcher.

You all need to realize he was in the game....but he wasnt the starting pitcher.

Neither the books, or anyone really, cares he sat on the bench in the top of the first

[neverstoppers23]

He did start dude. If the Phils had batted around before the rain delay, Oswalt would have hit.

Most sports books say you have to throw the first pitch to be consider'd the starter.

[kerrywoodwins20]

I was watching the Phils game and the announcers made a reference about Stark's tweet in reference to this........

Then 5 minutes later (after their stat geek researched it) they said it wont be his 2nd start in 2 games because he didnt throw a pitch, hence tonights game DOESNT COUNT AS A START........in reference to pitching stats......which is all anyone cares about because he's a pitcher.

You all need to realize he was in the game....but he wasnt the starting pitcher.

Neither the books, or anyone really, cares he sat on the bench in the top of the first

I bet on Hanley Ramirez to have more total bases than another player once, and he got hurt in the top of the first and never batted and came out, and the bet was still action. It is the same principle.